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MaLife··1 votes·1,059 views

This is going to be long. I'm sure this topic has been brought up many times: Dodging in Ranked. No one wants to waste their time in frustration when, by chance, you have a troll on your team, who decides to pick an ADC when someone already picked it and then be like "I called it, I don't care if I see you locking in that ADC because you have a higher pick order". Then your team falls apart right from the pick/ban and everyone just decides to troll along and you end up picking smite on a TF that you already locked in because no one else will. I seriously think Riot needs to address this issue by considering solutions to this, instead of making astoundingly idiotic patches. You all may think 3 LP isn't that much, live with that "chance". But honestly, no one wants to be in the receiving end of a penalty for reason that you have NO control over in pick/ban. People have too much "power". And it just makes me laugh when Riot responds by saying you can communicate in champion select to prevent it. Um, no you can't. Unless you're Emilia Clarke somehow able to blow the guy across that screen, you're not persuading anyone. While, yes, MOBA games need constant updates or patches to keep the game in balance, I really think Riot needs to stop for a few weeks and focus on the system of the game and matchmaking (after the hotfix on masteries and items). And I swear to god, they better not retweak another champion's skill to act as a "heal". Jesus, Ekko's ult, Fiora's ult, Dariu's Q, Lissandra's ult, please Riot, you seem to run out of ideas desperately. I also don't understand how in the world they released all these changes when there was PBE. I'm pretty sure players along with the designers saw how broken some of these changes were but it's as if the whole point of PBE is just there for a tease of what's going to happen rather than testing some stuff out and changing them before actually releasing them on the actual server.

18 Comments

Deep Terror Nami4 votes

Have you even considered how the new Ranked Draft will alleviate some trolling? Often times a troll does it because they didn't get their favored role; the Team Builder Draft style will guarantee people get their roles more often which will result in less of that.

MaLife1 votes

I know. People don't troll out of no reason. More than often times, they do it because some guy picked what they were intending to pick for role. Team Builder is good, but they should apply the same for Ranked instead of only Normals. But honestly, having multiple friends online just to make sure your chance of encountering a troll seems too dependent, especially if you're playing when they're not.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

Team Builder is good, but they should apply the same for Ranked instead of only Normals.

That's what I'm saying. They are introducing Ranked Team Builder for next season. It's a Draft type; you pick 2 roles and queue, enter champ select and draft pick like usual except everyone already has their role decided.

MaLife1 votes

That's good, but don't you think that kinda of idea could've been thought by Riot much earlier and had it implemented long ago? I know I may come off as lame, but I think they should focus on the most fundamental aspect before making massive changes with kits or making new champions.

alasarcher1 votes

Playing off meta isnt trolling. Its personal choice. 2 ADC isnt trolling. Trolling would be if he picks that 2nd adc and while being duo on lane, opponents engage on one of them and other one just ignores it, without helping , to retaliate for other guys choice to pick 2nd adc.

Randomonium1 votes

I agree that playing off meta isn't trolling but if you don't communicate that you intend to play off meta so your team can adjust the composition accordingly that is trolling. I'm fine with having 2 ADC but don't wait to tell us that until we've locked in a squishy jungler and a squishy support. It's incredibly frustrating when people lower in the pick order don't communicate and then pick champions that don't work well with the champions already picked.

alasarcher1 votes

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I agree that playing off meta isn't trolling but if you don't communicate that you intend to play off meta so your team can adjust the composition accordingly that is trolling. I'm fine with having 2 ADC but don't wait to tell us that until we've locked in a squishy jungler and a squishy support. It's incredibly frustrating when people lower in the pick order don't communicate and then pick champions that don't work well with the champions already picked.

I know but this guy probably didnt even look what other guy said. He asumed just because he said ADC first and because he was picking before, that ADC role was immediately his

MaLife1 votes

No. The person who picked the second ADC was the person who called it first. But the person who picked the first ADC had a higher pick order and ignored it. The lower pick order guy, now mad at the guy ignoring him, picked ADC. And what do you know? The last pick decides to pick ADC because he knew the game is screwed up anyway. No jungler, hurray, now I HAVE to go smite on TF.

alasarcher1 votes

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No. The person who picked the second ADC was the person who called it first. But the person who picked the first ADC had a higher pick order and ignored it. The lower pick order guy, now mad at the guy ignoring him, picked ADC. And what do you know? The last pick decides to pick ADC because he knew the game is screwed up anyway. No jungler, hurray, now I HAVE to go smite on TF.

So he said he will play ADC? And then he was proclaimed a troll? Logic?

MaLife1 votes

Both are ADC's. The game was designed to have one top, one jungle, one ADC, one mid laner, one support. Don't try to justify having two roles as going off meta. If I see the second ADC going bot taking CS while the other ADC gets ganked and focused by a Yi in the same lane, I'm going to see it as a troll.

alasarcher1 votes

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Both are ADC's. The game was designed to have one top, one jungle, one ADC, one mid laner, one support. Don't try to justify having two roles as going off meta. If I see the second ADC going bot taking CS while the other ADC gets ganked and focused by a Yi in the same lane, I'm going to see it as a troll.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Game wasnt designed that way. Thats what current META is. META( Most efficient tactic available) was widely accepted by playerbase but not by everyone, isnt rule and doesnt have to be like that. There DONT have to be supports. There can be 2 mid, 2 adc, 2 junglers, 2 supports even. Support ADC top + support adc bot +mid. None of that is trolling, thats just choice. Your choice is to play meta, its others playes choice not to. What you see as a troll is completely IRRELEVANT. Anyone can take farm, even "supports" can farm if they want, not farming is THEIR choice. Every player in this game has personal choice what champion he wants to play, has choice to farm or leave farm. Flaming someone and calling him troll for his choices, can be reported as negative attitude and get you banned.

MaLife1 votes

Again, read the situation. OK, if you're going to be so fancy and think having multiple roles as off meta and not trolling, fine. But if you have a teammate not helping out another teammate in need and taking CS while he's getting 3v1'ed RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU under, what do you call that? Yeah, gtfo.

MaLife1 votes

There's a difference between playing off meta and deciding to go 2 ADC BECAUSE he didn't get the role he wanted and gets in an argument with the other ADC. I've seen a bunch of legitimate picks like Vayne/Quinn top, Caitlyn/Ashe support and even Graves jungle nowadays, but I consider them legitimate because they clearly communicated with the team that they're going top or jungle or support, so they don't have a confused situation of both wanting to go bot lane to get CS and be defined as the team's ADC role, not anything else.

LynXerf1 votes

As a counter point, there is nothing more frustrating watching two of your teammates argue in champ select over something petty and trivial, and have one of them leave with 2 seconds to go before the game starts. Or perhaps last pick didn't get the role he wanted so then he trolls for the rest of champ select and leaves just before the game starts. Thanks for wasting 5 minutes of my life. It is for this reason that I think removing penalties for leaving is NOT the solution.

MaLife1 votes

And what if the people arguing don't decide to leave? Everyone plays a game of chicken when they see a troll during pick/ban, and although logically it makes sense to lose 3 than to lose perhaps 15~20, I don't see the justice for someone to take a shot for the rest of the team and dodge and that troll gets out clean. Oh, and they don't have the options to report anyone during champ select, and more than likely, not enough people from that champ select will spend the time to make personal reports by sending an email go to the website and report. I think removing penalty in terms of LP is fine, but maybe a longer duration of being unable to join queue. Or if Riot actually takes the reports seriously...

Korillo1 votes

This is probably one of the main reasons they are doing the new ranked queue system where you pick a primary and secondary role. I imagine it will reduce the issue of people not getting their selected role.

MaLife1 votes

Again, the simple idea of incorporating the Team Builder concept in Ranked could've been done even last year. I don't see why Riot's thinking of doing it in Season 6/7. They make too much effort in making new champions and over-tweaking champions that they end of nerfing/buffing anyway, back to square one, while the former change could be so much more efficient.

Kazaashi1 votes

At least you don't have to play the game and lose MMR, which is the only thing that matters, btw. LP is just there a a shiny thing to make you care more about your individual games. MMR is the thing that determines if you climb or not, so it is much more important than 3 LP and 10-20 mins of your time.

Dodging also gives you some time to cool off, grab some water, do some stretches.

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