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Perm banned for this after 5 years of playing, and 1000 of dollars spend.?!?

Rated Raytex··3 votes·942 views

We all have bad days some times, and then people can tricker you by writing stupid things, i can guarantee you, i have never started 1 of these toxic conversation but if people talk shit, it's just so hard to ignore. I know people will ask if i have been banned before and yes i have 1s before, but that i can get perm banned for these conversations when they started to flame me, im just speechless, it says that im 1 of the 0.006 people that are toxic anof to get banned, i refuse to belive that my case is just, based on those statistics, and what i have written. Sry for my bad english not my main language. Rated Raytex: dont blame me Rated Raytex: blame gp Rated Raytex: I walk all up to help his lane he tps right infront of me Rated Raytex: i get tiltet starts blue like a retard Rated Raytex: this gp is trolling just report Rated Raytex: i said im tiltet i go help gps lane he tps right infront of em Rated Raytex: so i start blue for no reason Rated Raytex: we could have won that 4v4 Rated Raytex: worst game of my life Rated Raytex: Hahahahahahahaha said the guy that sucides to my lane gives him fb Rated Raytex: after that pings me to go on the jungler gets me kileld Rated Raytex: And you expect it to not affect my lane Rated Raytex: Then i go top because gp died when im there he tps all of you are trolling Rated Raytex: And still sucide to my lane cool brother Rated Raytex: could say the same 2 you Rated Raytex: Go se my stats 80% winrate mid Rated Raytex: i dont care anymore Rated Raytex: My last 3 deaths has been retarded and i could care less because im dia 5 soon Rated Raytex: And you are stuck gold Rated Raytex: hahaha 80% winrate mid Rated Raytex: talks for it self Rated Raytex: :) Rated Raytex: l2p Rated Raytex: Just started again Rated Raytex: 60 games Rated Raytex: narh Rated Raytex: im rly good Rated Raytex: go check my stats kid they speak for them selfs Rated Raytex: started s3 because i havent played in years and im gold 3 now Rated Raytex: 80% winrate mid Rated Raytex: so im going there gg wp kindred Rated Raytex: AGREED Rated Raytex: Sucided to my lane first blood and talks shit afer Rated Raytex: shhh Rated Raytex: gg wp Game 2 Rated Raytex: poppy comming top Rated Raytex: i would have killed zed if i dident get stunned into the wall Rated Raytex: he dident use ignite on you Rated Raytex: dont lie Rated Raytex: i give up Rated Raytex: i have 80% win rate ekko but ww fucks me over Rated Raytex: i have 2 junglers against me Rated Raytex: i give up Rated Raytex: hahahahahahah Rated Raytex: gotta say this poppy Rated Raytex: fking decaster mid Rated Raytex: i would have had him Rated Raytex: if i dident get stunend Rated Raytex: ? Rated Raytex: im solo killing the lane you managed to fk up even harder Rated Raytex: whats funny? Rated Raytex: why always me i get ganged 3 times they kill me my jungler always goes sucide solo Rated Raytex: the worst thing is you are not even bad Rated Raytex: yep Rated Raytex: hahahahahahah Rated Raytex: i have got ganged 7 times proberbly because they have sen the 80% winrate and you manage to not counter gang 1 Rated Raytex: you come mid and solo dies Rated Raytex: ofc i get snowballed Rated Raytex: haha Rated Raytex: Like im not toxic but we talk about being useless their jungler mid 7 times, my jungler chose to ignore helping me so i get sno Rated Raytex: wouw ww sucided mid Rated Raytex: and never came Rated Raytex: like how is that not useless Rated Raytex: he goes sucide mid so i get snowballed harder after 2 early deads Rated Raytex: guys i cant even Rated Raytex: Dude Rated Raytex: I know i did bad Rated Raytex: its not that Rated Raytex: I cant belive that, i get behind ask for help and i just have a jungler ho completly ignores my lane Rated Raytex: goes sucide solo and i get blamed Rated Raytex: lieing thats cool Rated Raytex: i never died solo Rated Raytex: i killed him solo 2 times Game 3 Rated Raytex: stfu Rated Raytex: get carryed Rated Raytex: are you gonna whine because i took 1 minon from you when i jumped to wreaths ? Rated Raytex: is that how weak minded you are ? Rated Raytex: l2p and keep getting carryed Rated Raytex: stfu Rated Raytex: seriusly Rated Raytex: agreed Rated Raytex: stop trolling Rated Raytex: Well 3v1 in my jungle kinda hard Rated Raytex: :9 Rated Raytex: Nice premate with brand Rated Raytex: 0-2 Rated Raytex: :9 Rated Raytex: Atleast we had a good game Rated Raytex: Thanks for the games

25 Comments

Panic4Who4 votes

Sue them. they taking away your First Amendment Right.

First Amendment - Religion and Expression. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Time to show riot we mean business.

Also being RUDE should not count toward perm banned. If you was RACIST I would agree with perm banned.

Dnyarri4 votes

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Sue them. they taking away your First Amendment Right.

First Amendment - Religion and Expression. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Time to show riot we mean business.

Also being RUDE should not count toward perm banned. If you was RACIST I would agree with perm banned.

[sg-miss-fortune]

Trundle gud troll i rate 9/11.

RallerenP9 votes

And you have NO idea what your saying do you?

CONGRESS can't make LAWS that prohibits free speech.

For anyone else it's free game. Riot is a private company, Riot can prohibit your free speech as much as they want, provided they have the tools to do so, and they wouldn't be breaking the first amendment.

Riot has the american right to tell you to fuck off from their private property.

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So go ahead and show them you mean bussiness by losing thousands of dollars in lawyers, while not even winning the case.

mnstryvii1 votes

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And you have NO idea what your saying do you?

CONGRESS can't make LAWS that prohibits free speech.

For anyone else it's free game. Riot is a private company, Riot can prohibit your free speech as much as they want, provided they have the tools to do so, and they wouldn't be breaking the first amendment.

Riot has the american right to tell you to fuck off from their private property.

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So go ahead and show them you mean bussiness by losing thousands of dollars in lawyers, while not even winning the case.

People forget there are two sides to every coin. No free speech is not protected here since it's a private business but guess what? A ToS/contract written with ridiculous clauses in it isn't protected under the law either and this area of the law is not even close to solidified.

We need a Richard Stallman for video game regulation. We need a movement that lets these companies know that no matter what, no you cannot just take money from anyone, especially not a 12 year old kid who's invested so much to play your game.

RallerenP2 votes

A ToS/contract written with ridiculous clauses in it isn't protected under the law either and this area of the law is not even close to solidified.

Goodbye Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and every other online based company. Go ahead and sue them if you really think 'this area of the law is not even close to solidified.' is a good case. (Spoiler: It's not.)

But go ahead, tell me those 'ridiculous clauses'. Cause there aren't any. Riot has hundreds, if not thousands of highly educated lawyers and those ToS are written by them.

And keep in mind, for a term to be deemed ridiculous it has to be universally accepted as such. YOUR opinion on them doesn't mean shit. If YOU didn't like the terms then YOU didn't have to sign them.

ModKnightsKemplar3 votes

I seriously doubt they have that many. I see your point here, but lawyers are expensive, and are also often hired from firms when needed rather than kept on salary to sit in an office and wait for people to sue Riot.

I know for sure that's the way it works for most Chemistry companies. I'm sure they have some lawyers on retainer, but when they need someone with a lot of expertise in, say, patent law, then they hire from an experienced firm full of patent lawyers and get those guys/gals on the case.

Onecimus2 votes

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A ToS/contract written with ridiculous clauses

I can safely assume that since you are posting on the boards and seem to have some kind of a working knowledge of the game, you signed that contract. Correct me if I'm wrong.

But if it has ridiculous clauses, is Riot corrupt for making them or are you not very smart for signing them? Given, it could be both, but nobody MADE you sign that. That was your own free choice.

Smart

mnstryvii1 votes

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I can safely assume that since you are posting on the boards and seem to have some kind of a working knowledge of the game, you signed that contract. Correct me if I'm wrong.

But if it has ridiculous clauses, is Riot corrupt for making them or are you not very smart for signing them? Given, it could be both, but nobody MADE you sign that. That was your own free choice.

Smart

Doesn't matter, depending on any individual a case could be made accordingly as to why certain areas of that contract are indefensible. I don't get why people don't understand that while RIOT didn't hold a gun to your head to force you into this contract it still also has standards to uphold. It's obvious right; reducio ad absurdum would be if there were no standards they could write a clause saying you have to pay them $100k if you ever die twice in a game.

Nothing in that contract is sacred is the first piece, the area of internet rights being brand new is the second. This article I think shows the beginnings of how precedent is being formed: https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/27/16707562/epic-games-fortnite-cheating-lawsuit-debate-14-year-old-kid

AeroWaffle3 votes

That's an example of a company suing the player (whom cheated and refused to take down a youtube video explaining how to cheat). Not the player suing the company.

When Riot bans an account they are not taking anything away from the user. Both the content and the account are owned by Riot. They simply stopped the account from accessing the content.

Sarutobi1 votes

While that may be the case. Basically everything has some sort of ToS/contract. so its basically standard. Even if the judge saw it your way, Riot did hold up their end of the bargain did they not. When you bought RP, did you not receive the right amount you paid for? How is it their fault you broke the rules in which got your account ban?

zPOOPz2 votes

First of all, I'm not entirely sure "First Amendment" applies to EUW.....

Secondly, Rito =/= Congress

Onecimus4 votes

As far as your article is concerned, the most valid point the mother makes is that Epic didn't add a part where the parent would be involved should the party not legally be an adult. Riot has this. It is all the way down in section 1.1 of the TOU. So presumably these babies that Riot is supposedly collecting the candy from, have parental permission for this. So, kind of irrelevant, but a good read regardless. :)

As for your first portion, yes Riot does have standards to uphold. When we provide them with payment, they provide us with whatever we paid for. Notice: they do not allow you to buy Riot points on banned accounts.

What Riot expects from it's playerbase is not crazy or over the top. They expect basic human decency. If the players cannot offer that, then Riot bids them fairwell.

mnstryvii1 votes

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As far as your article is concerned, the most valid point the mother makes is that Epic didn't add a part where the parent would be involved should the party not legally be an adult. Riot has this. It is all the way down in section 1.1 of the TOU. So presumably these babies that Riot is supposedly collecting the candy from, have parental permission for this. So, kind of irrelevant, but a good read regardless. :)

As for your first portion, yes Riot does have standards to uphold. When we provide them with payment, they provide us with whatever we paid for. Notice: they do not allow you to buy Riot points on banned accounts.

What Riot expects from it's playerbase is not crazy or over the top. They expect basic human decency. If the players cannot offer that, then Riot bids them fairwell.

So somehow you just want us now to assume that RIOT has every legal loophole covered and that the onus is completely on the child playing the game because RIOT put in the contract that a parent needs to be there......Yea I'm gonna say there's at least a case here. Do you have any idea how protected kids already are under the law when it comes to the internet???

You're telling me you actually believe a company can close thousands of kids game accounts with money that was put into those accounts and not have to refund anything in regards to what they bought? Come on now, you have to at least be saying it's not even 60% chance RIOT actually wins that case lol. Keep in mind I am not saying that any single person wins against them with 100% likelihood, I am simply saying that many of these thousands of kids have a case because RIOT just went too far.

Onecimus4 votes

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So somehow you just want us now to assume that RIOT has every legal loophole covered and that the onus is completely on the child playing the game because RIOT put in the contract that a parent needs to be there......Yea I'm gonna say there's at least a case here. Do you have any idea how protected kids already are under the law when it comes to the internet???

You're telling me you actually believe a company can close thousands of kids game accounts with money that was put into those accounts and not have to refund anything in regards to what they bought? Come on now, you have to at least be saying it's not even 60% chance RIOT actually wins that case lol. Keep in mind I am not saying that any single person wins against them with 100% likelihood, I am simply saying that many of these thousands of kids have a case because RIOT just went too far.

I'm saying Riot has standards. Not absurd standards, just standards. Everyone does. Jobs have standards that they expect you to live up to, if you don't meet them then they have every right to fire you. Every other game on the market of any distinction has some kind of EULA or TOS or TOU, the only thing that makes Riot different than some of them is that people spend more money on it because they get addicted to the competitive play and want to show off, AND Riot fairly strictly upholds those standards.

It is not crazy to tell a 12 year old to not tell someone to kill themselves or not to use racial slurs or anything like that. I have worked at several schools and that kind of behavior was met with our own kind of zero tolerance policies (sent home, principle/disciplinarian, etc.).

But you do you if you think the TOU are wasted space that mean absolutely nothing legally. You go for your lawsuit. Make sure the post how it went.

Rated Raytex1 votes

Well written, good points, so you truly belive that, what i have written is so outta line that i deserve perm ban for my sekund offence?

Shukr4n3 votes

Perma comes after 14dban qhich state that next toxic behaviour even if mild will be punished.

U flooded being annoying U didnt mute, why? Coyld u play without chatting?

Idont get what money has to do with behaviour but ok.

Anyway for the sake of being smart

1000/(12*5)=16$/month...

Rated Raytex1 votes

I agree that money has nothing to do with it, but i was just trying to state that i have supported their game alot, and even tho my beviour was outta line, i just find it mind blowing that i get perma banned after my sekund offence, if you know what i mean. But i have learned a lesson that if i get in games like that i will mute, because i just can't take it when people talk to me like that with out talking back

Dnyarri3 votes

If you had a ban before ANY negative behavior can and will get you permabanned. You are clearly toxic in chat, so the perma is justified. It's irrelevant how long you've played the game and how much money you've spent.

You can always make a new account, though.

Rated Raytex2 votes

Im not saying that i don't deserve a ban, but to get perm banned just like that after 5 years of playing is just mind blowing to me, especially if you take into consiteration, they talked shit to me first. :I

Dnyarri4 votes

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Im not saying that i don't deserve a ban, but to get perm banned just like that after 5 years of playing is just mind blowing to me, especially if you take into consiteration, they talked shit to me first. :I

It doesn't matter what they did, it only matters what you did. All you had to do was mute them and play out the game.

Múzzi2 votes

I tend to mute, and as a matter of fact i think i was part of game 3. That brand and top lane (dont remember the toplane champ) was waaaaayyyy more toxic. Not that it justifies Rated Raytex toxic behaviour, but i think it's a bit wild to permaban. 14 days or something. 1, 2, and on 3rd you OUT. Especially when you take into account that he acutally starts out by trying to calm people, and explain his decision making to his time, while THEY flame HIM.

We all have bad days, mute is the better option, but none of us can go free of replying to utter bullshit. Last note to this, i dont really belive the 0,006 % part, every game i encounter people being racist, homophobic and waht is worse than that. Rated Raytex barely uses any bad language in the 3 games?

mnstryvii2 votes

Dude money actually has a lot to do with it. You do not have to just sit and let RIOT Games take your hard-earned money. I'm going to keep suggesting to people that you threaten to sue them for your money back.

It is perfectly fine if they believe that people deserve to have their accounts banned and taken away. It is not fine that they believe they can take people's money along with it and I have a feeling even they know it's a gray area of the law. The laws around digital property/ownership are going to be written in our time and hopefully people start taking corrupt businesses like RIOT to task on their overreaching nature.

Panic4Who1 votes

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mnstryvii1 votes

RIOT has hundreds of highly educated lawyers!!!!!Bahahahahaha...Hey RIOT tell me how many Skadden lawyers you guys got on staff

Múzzi1 votes

UNBAN OR RIOT!

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