Make it so people can actually climb!

allaranna·Jun 17, 2016·0 votes·2,776 views

It never fails and a lot of people have dealt with this theyre doing really well, they get that promo then take 5 or 6 losses in a row to end up further down than where they started at the beginning of their gaming day. Most losses are due to either players that are really new and still learning or to trolls and afks, and it seems riot just lets this slide way to often. Intent feeders, people literally just playing to talk crap to others then run in and feed or afk for a while then come back to cause more trouble, thams that slurp up their team mates and spit them at the enemy to feed the enemy. So what are you going to do about this other than oh sorry about that we cant replace your lost points even though you and your team were blatently trolled. Or my personal favorite your entire team is facerolling the enemy and your whole team surrenders thats always fantastic. Actually do something about this make it so players dont lose pts for things like this going on if you dont you will lose more and more players becuase they will just feel so beaten down thus you create more ppl trolling becuase well riot doesnt seem to do crap about it anyway.

67 Comments

disregardableJun 17, 20162 votes

they get that promo then take 5 or 6 losses in a row

People have always complained about this. And it has never happened to me.

AzuréJun 17, 20161 votes

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People have always complained about this. And it has never happened to me.

cool, you're about the .0001% that this DOESN'T happen to. Congratulations?

AraMoOseJun 17, 20162 votes

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cool, you're about the .0001% that this DOESN'T happen to. Congratulations?

I wonder where you got that statistic? Did you perhaps make it up? Yes, I think you made it up.

I hardly play ranked, and when I do, I climb. If I hit a losing streak, I don't bitch and blame Riot for it, I either take a break for a while, or I try to muscle through it. And then I start climbing again.

ShinkoMinoriJun 17, 20162 votes

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I wonder where you got that statistic? Did you perhaps make it up? Yes, I think you made it up.

I hardly play ranked, and when I do, I climb. If I hit a losing streak, I don't bitch and blame Riot for it, I either take a break for a while, or I try to muscle through it. And then I start climbing again.

LMAO YOU ARE BRONZE 2

AraMoOseJun 17, 20161 votes

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LMAO YOU ARE BRONZE 2

And when I do play ranked, I climb. I'm assuming you're here bitching because you don't climb?

AzuréJun 17, 20161 votes

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And when I do play ranked, I climb. I'm assuming you're here bitching because you don't climb?

And I'm assuming you're here trying to say something about being about to climb in an ELO like Bronze? That's like me saying I just 1v5'ed against Bronze V players.

Please just stfu and go outside or something.

AraMoOseJun 17, 20161 votes

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And I'm assuming you're here trying to say something about being about to climb in an ELO like Bronze? That's like me saying I just 1v5'ed against Bronze V players.

Please just stfu and go outside or something.

I can't help but interpret your attacks as a concession that you have lost the argument. The reason you are not climbing is because you are at the right skill level. The reason I am climbing is because I am not.

AzuréJun 17, 20161 votes

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I can't help but interpret your attacks as a concession that you have lost the argument. The reason you are not climbing is because you are at the right skill level. The reason I am climbing is because I am not.

Lost an argument? What argument? LOL you seriously need to go outside more. The reason I'M not climbing is because I WANT to derank. That's why I was temp ban for 2 weeks and am requesting a deletion of my account, you feel me?

The reason YOU are climbing is because YOU are in BRONZE. Get me?

So before your BRONZE mentality gets any worst, please go to an IQ test. I feel you have an IQ of <50.

AraMoOseJun 17, 20161 votes

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Lost an argument? What argument? LOL you seriously need to go outside more. The reason I'M not climbing is because I WANT to derank. That's why I was temp ban for 2 weeks and am requesting a deletion of my account, you feel me?

The reason YOU are climbing is because YOU are in BRONZE. Get me?

So before your BRONZE mentality gets any worst, please go to an IQ test. I feel you have an IQ or <50.

Still curious to know where you got that statistic that 0.001% of people are climbing... You don't seem to be willing to share that with us.

AzuréJun 17, 20161 votes

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Still curious to know where you got that statistic that 0.001% of people are climbing... You don't seem to be willing to share that with us.

Because that's of no business to you or anyone besides myself? I mean, hello. Privacy called, it said it's a THING. DERP

AraMoOseJun 17, 20162 votes

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Because that's of no business to you or anyone besides myself? I mean, hello. Privacy called, it said it's a THING. DERP

So you don't have a source? Why should we take that statistic seriously if you're not even willing to provide a source we can investigate?

FlahertyJun 17, 20161 votes

It's only private if it's directly related to you, which implies you made it up.

FlahertyJun 17, 20162 votes

This guy is having a calm discussion with you and you keep throwing out rage-y insults, you need to calm down. Also Silver 5 is pretty much equal to Bronze so I don't know why you keep throwing out the fact that he's Bronze like it's much different from where you are currently.

AzuréJun 17, 20161 votes

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This guy is having a calm discussion with you and you keep throwing out rage-y insults, you need to calm down. Also Silver 5 is pretty much equal to Bronze so I don't know why you keep throwing out the fact that he's Bronze like it's much different from where you are currently.

Man it's like what I say just doesn't show up, again I PURPOSELY DEMOTED to Silver V.

AzuréJun 17, 20161 votes

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Man it's like what I say just doesn't show up, again I PURPOSELY DEMOTED to Silver V.

Thus why I was temporarily banned for two weeks and requested a deletion of my account after this. :D

FlahertyJun 17, 20161 votes

Why do that on purpose?

AzuréJun 17, 20161 votes

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Why do that on purpose?

Because I want to remove and delete my original account so that when I play on my NEW account people won't pester me for that fact? Yeah.

FlahertyJun 17, 20161 votes

Wouldn't it be easier to just say your account got banned permanently and you can't use it?

AraMoOseJun 17, 20161 votes

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This guy is having a calm discussion with you and you keep throwing out rage-y insults, you need to calm down. Also Silver 5 is pretty much equal to Bronze so I don't know why you keep throwing out the fact that he's Bronze like it's much different from where you are currently.

Hey, thanks for your support. You really don't need to be concerned though, it's pretty obvious why he's insulting me. He doesn't like having his bullshit called out.

Still it's appreciated.

AzuréJun 17, 20161 votes

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Hey, thanks for your support. You really don't need to be concerned though, it's pretty obvious why he's insulting me. He doesn't like having his bullshit called out.

Still it's appreciated.

Hey, thanks for your gullible-ness, ding ding, the .0001% is basically me typing three 0's and one 1 plus a % symbol then entering it. WOOOOOOOOOOOH MAGICCC

AraMoOseJun 17, 20161 votes

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Hey, thanks for your gullible-ness, ding ding, the .0001% is basically me typing three 0's and one 1 plus a % symbol then entering it. WOOOOOOOOOOOH MAGICCC

Yes, well.. I think we all knew that. So your "point" was really just a lie. It's surprising you did not say this the first time I asked.

Well then again, looking at your other forum posts, no, it really isn't that surprising.

RedTaoJun 18, 20161 votes

If Silver 5 was the same as Bronze, then I would have made it there years ago. 3-4 years so far, still can't clear Bronze 5.

allarannaJun 17, 20161 votes

Ara ive tried that strategy 3 separate days, 5 matches several hours apart, and guess what all losses with stellar k/d/a but guess what all of them still losses, all of those games trolled hard. So please explain to me how that method works when all you get at certain levels is trolls. And to clarify the k/d/a i was talking about was more than 1 kill per minute of the match, all the way to the end of the match when we lose. So whether it be crap luck i get stuck with these people, or whatever riot wants to call it im a bit tired of getting messed over, points wise because people juts feel they want to show out during a match just because they feel like it and most of the time its higher players on smurf accounts that think its funny to get a bronze account so others cant actually climb, so they can get a childish laugh out of it. Ive got over 1000 games in ranked so the few games you play have given you no actual insight on the issues that ARE ACTUALLY THERE. So please gain more experience before you make comments such as this.

AraMoOseJun 18, 20161 votes

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Ara ive tried that strategy 3 separate days, 5 matches several hours apart, and guess what all losses with stellar k/d/a but guess what all of them still losses, all of those games trolled hard. So please explain to me how that method works when all you get at certain levels is trolls. And to clarify the k/d/a i was talking about was more than 1 kill per minute of the match, all the way to the end of the match when we lose. So whether it be crap luck i get stuck with these people, or whatever riot wants to call it im a bit tired of getting messed over, points wise because people juts feel they want to show out during a match just because they feel like it and most of the time its higher players on smurf accounts that think its funny to get a bronze account so others cant actually climb, so they can get a childish laugh out of it. Ive got over 1000 games in ranked so the few games you play have given you no actual insight on the issues that ARE ACTUALLY THERE. So please gain more experience before you make comments such as this.

If all you would get would be trolls, then 50 games would have been plenty for me to have encountered these people. I don't mean to be rude, but the ONLY constant in your games is you. If you are meeting trolls every game, then the only logical conclusion you could reach is that you are causing them.

How is it that you are blaming me for submitting a sample of 50 games when your counter argument is that you played 5 games?

allarannaJun 18, 20161 votes

Ara again you haven't actually read the post i sent back to you. I have over 1000 games in ranked matches not just 5 and way more than 50. My experience with this is trust me way more than your 50 game sample. Once you play as many matches as I have and gain more experience with it you will see more of what im talking about. At no point did i say that trolls and afks are the entirety of the reason for every one of the losses i have but they are the reason for about 90% percent of the losses i have. The ones outside of trolls and afks are good games we just got outplayed , or we had people on our team who were fairly new to the game ( it seemed that way anyhow) or some people were just having a bad game, which is cool it happens to everyone. The reason for this post is nto to talk about you or anyone elses feelings ont he matter but to address the issue so that riot can maybe try to help players out that do get trolled, and you do see a ton more of it in bronze cause guess what that most of the time is the majority of bronze players. People that are there just to show out.

AraMoOseJun 18, 20161 votes

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Ara again you haven't actually read the post i sent back to you. I have over 1000 games in ranked matches not just 5 and way more than 50. My experience with this is trust me way more than your 50 game sample. Once you play as many matches as I have and gain more experience with it you will see more of what im talking about. At no point did i say that trolls and afks are the entirety of the reason for every one of the losses i have but they are the reason for about 90% percent of the losses i have. The ones outside of trolls and afks are good games we just got outplayed , or we had people on our team who were fairly new to the game ( it seemed that way anyhow) or some people were just having a bad game, which is cool it happens to everyone. The reason for this post is nto to talk about you or anyone elses feelings ont he matter but to address the issue so that riot can maybe try to help players out that do get trolled, and you do see a ton more of it in bronze cause guess what that most of the time is the majority of bronze players. People that are there just to show out.

I'm very much annoyed that you keep thinking I didn't read your post. I did and I responded.

AraMoOseJun 18, 20161 votes

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Ara again you haven't actually read the post i sent back to you. I have over 1000 games in ranked matches not just 5 and way more than 50. My experience with this is trust me way more than your 50 game sample. Once you play as many matches as I have and gain more experience with it you will see more of what im talking about. At no point did i say that trolls and afks are the entirety of the reason for every one of the losses i have but they are the reason for about 90% percent of the losses i have. The ones outside of trolls and afks are good games we just got outplayed , or we had people on our team who were fairly new to the game ( it seemed that way anyhow) or some people were just having a bad game, which is cool it happens to everyone. The reason for this post is nto to talk about you or anyone elses feelings ont he matter but to address the issue so that riot can maybe try to help players out that do get trolled, and you do see a ton more of it in bronze cause guess what that most of the time is the majority of bronze players. People that are there just to show out.

You know what, let's try to break down your claim that 90% of your losses are caused by trolls. I have 30 losses. Assuming there isn't a magic conspiracy against you, I should expect a similar ratio as yours (i.e. 90% of 30 is 27.) out of my 70 games, 27 of them should have contained trolls that are so awful they caused the losses, according to your statistic. Let's give a margin of error of 5, just to be generous, I should have had between 22 and 32 losses caused by trolls. I can remember 1, and again to be generous, we'll assume that I don't remember up 5 more. This still leaves me 20 games short of what I should expect given your statistic in the most generous scenario I can imagine.

    What is different between my games and yours?

allarannaJun 19, 20161 votes

Ara this game is just as much about luck as it is about skill, when your solo qd. So the difference between you game and mine is maybe you just dont have as crappy luck as i do but please dont belittle someone else just because you are lucky enough to have not had a huge problem with this. Also you stated that the people you consider trolls are just bad players or people who may still be learning. That is not trolling. Trolling im referring to is intent feeders( again not players having a bad game or still learning ect.), players that will start a fight run, stand there then wait so they can take the kills just as soon as everyone is dead, people that surrender a match that your team is hands down winning( ive had several of those btw lol), people that just sit and base and talk crap to try and tick everyone off then just run in feed a few times then sit in base and talk crap again ( meaning they do this from the first second of the game not a little bit in get tilted then start to troll, and i have deal with both ), and having multiple of these things on one team in the same match makes it pretty well impossible to win. So im happy you dont see so much of this good for you, but for those of us who get stuck with this trash are tired of it. The posts you make are the same thing as billionaires telling everyone with less money than them oh its not hard to make all this money, while they had the luck to go with all their hard work and the other 99% of society didnt get that break, all of their hard work just kind of went down the tubes. People that got trapped in bronze sometimes get just enough luck to get out but most of the people that get trapped here dont, due to the trolling and afking, which for the most part is done by higher up players that just feel like being jerks, running smurf accounts just for the purpose of messing with the bonzies. No one person can win a match alone, and people that tell you that are the biggest liars there ever was, but just 1 or 2 people trolling can mess it over for the whole team. Case and point on this i have diamond and platinum friends that have told me oh one person can win a match yet i watched some of them play while they were smurfing and guess what they ran across trolls and afks they did not win those matches didnt matter how much damage how much they outplayed the other team, it all comes down to numbers, the enemy has more people and can apply more pressure to more areas than your team can because guess what you dont have that many people to spread out as far and put as much pressure across the map. Having said that winning a 4v5 isnt impossible but the team you against has to make alot of stupid mistakes consistantly throughout the match, a 3v5 you may as well wait for the 20 mark to surrender and 2v5 is pretty well the same. And please tell me how can you win a match and carry a team when your winning the match hands down, there is no way the enemy team is coming back your in their base in just under 20 minutes the other 4 players on your team that were all qd together decide to hit surrender at 20 minutes just to be buttholes? That last one has happened to me several times. As per you not reading my post , your looking at the words but you arent comprehending what im saying so maybe this whole book that i just wrote will sink in a bit more to help you understand what the problem is.

AraMoOseJun 19, 20161 votes

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Ara this game is just as much about luck as it is about skill, when your solo qd. a shitload of words I didn't read

Woah holy shit! I most definitely did not read THIS one. It seems like basic courtesy if you're not gonna be succinct, to at least seperate your post into paragraphs. I'm getting a headache just looking at it. If there's anything in there of any value, PLEASE give your ideas enough respect to make them pleasant to read.

I'd still rather you be succinct though. Life is short...

allarannaJun 20, 20161 votes

I kept things short and you apparently didnt comprehend what was being talked about so you got a book.

allarannaJun 20, 20161 votes

By the way the above book could be split into about 3 paragraphs but for real though if you cant comprehend the short version dont complain when you get the long version to further explain what you didnt comprehend.

AraMoOseJun 20, 20161 votes

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By the way the above book could be split into about 3 paragraphs but for real though if you cant comprehend the short version dont complain when you get the long version to further explain what you didnt comprehend.

I DID comprehend the short version and explained why it didn't hold water. "luck" doesn't really mean anything in light of statistical analysis.

allarannaJun 20, 20161 votes

Do you get to choose the players you are grouped with when you solo queue? How many players are new? How many players are decent in their gameplay? How many players are trolls? How many players love to afk? You dont get to choose who you play with in solo queue, so it is very much about luck if you dont run across the trolls and afkers and players of that sort on a regular basis. You might be one of those lucky people who isnt constantly paired with players like this good for you. Some of us get screwed over. My statements do hold water, and I can prove it to you with one question. Just because you dont see the air does that mean it doesnt exist? Its all around you, you cant see it , but does that mean it doesnt exist. Or the darker side of things just because you cant see a virus like say Ebola does that mean it wont still kill you ? Just because your surrounded by people infested with the virus and you are lucky enough not to get it , you dont look at the others around you and say oh its not real your fine stop faking it, youll get better soon. So to be clear the point here is just because YOU havent had to deal with it doesnt mean that others around you dont have to deal with it. So you trying to analyze everything is worthless, its called rng the very nature of that is to be random, with the random element being the players you get paired with when you go into a match. So your understanding of what you read is jaded and you maybe need to stop thinking in such a self centered manner and look at the picture as a whole not at just your small part.

AraMoOseJun 21, 20161 votes

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Do you get to choose the players you are grouped with when you solo queue? How many players are new? How many players are decent in their gameplay? How many players are trolls? How many players love to afk? You dont get to choose who you play with in solo queue, so it is very much about luck if you dont run across the trolls and afkers and players of that sort on a regular basis. You might be one of those lucky people who isnt constantly paired with players like this good for you. Some of us get screwed over. My statements do hold water, and I can prove it to you with one question. Just because you dont see the air does that mean it doesnt exist? Its all around you, you cant see it , but does that mean it doesnt exist. Or the darker side of things just because you cant see a virus like say Ebola does that mean it wont still kill you ? Just because your surrounded by people infested with the virus and you are lucky enough not to get it , you dont look at the others around you and say oh its not real your fine stop faking it, youll get better soon. So to be clear the point here is just because YOU havent had to deal with it doesnt mean that others around you dont have to deal with it. So you trying to analyze everything is worthless, its called rng the very nature of that is to be random, with the random element being the players you get paired with when you go into a match. So your understanding of what you read is jaded and you maybe need to stop thinking in such a self centered manner and look at the picture as a whole not at just your small part.

Alright, we are at an impass here. You are clearly, definitely and objectively wrong, but there is no way in hell I am going to keep wasting my time explaining this to you, or reading your enormous word salads.

Funny enough if you tried cutting the time you spend writing and spend that time researching instead, I wouldn't even need to explain this to you. Google "Statistics" and go to town with your research.

                  You complain that I don't read what you write, but you seem to go out of your way to write gigantic walls of text. I will value your capacity to engage in meaningful dicussion in equal proportion to the degree to which you value my time. 

                  Either the matchmaking system is broken, or it isn't. If your router doesn't work on your computer, but works fine on mine, then the problem is with your computer, not with the router.

RedTaoJun 18, 20161 votes

I've been trying to get out of Bronze 5 for past 3-4 years. Still stuck there. I lose more games than I win, the games that I actually do well on are still loses.

I dont know if you'd want someone to play with that actually wants to climb, but if you want I'll play with you. I'm obviously crap at this game since I've been stuck Bronze 5 for years now, but I don't troll and I don't feed on purpose... Granted people will like to call me a troll and there will be games i end up feeding, but neither one is ever on purpose.

allarannaJun 17, 20161 votes

allarannaJun 18, 20161 votes

I am happy to hear this problem hasnt darkened your matches lol, but it has alot for me and several others i know as well. They already fixed the afk problem which has really helped, but the trolls are still an issue for those unfortunate enough to get paired with them constantly, need to be able to retain the points that would otherwise be lost for a lost match becuase 1 or more people on your team just wanted to run in and intent feed the whole game or jsut sit in base the whole game doing no more than running their mouth, which ok you can mute that, but it still leaves you 4v5 the whole match or fewer vs 5.

RedTaoJun 18, 20161 votes

You're one of the lucky few then. I've hit this wall for 3-4 years now, still cant clear promo for bronze 5.

AzuréJun 17, 20161 votes

Beats me, we just have a butthurt bronze player is all, move along. :D

allarannaJun 17, 20161 votes

You may want to actually read the entirety of the thread before you run your mouth. I got myself to bronze one and 90% of my matches lost were due to people trolling. Im not just talking about people that are still learning or having a bad match, im talking about trolls. Ive ran with diamond smurfs that have seen these matches with me and they cant even carry the 1v5 game that all the higher up players claim is oh so easy to beat. So learn something before you try to talk crap about other players, k .:)

AzuréJun 17, 20161 votes

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You may want to actually read the entirety of the thread before you run your mouth. I got myself to bronze one and 90% of my matches lost were due to people trolling. Im not just talking about people that are still learning or having a bad match, im talking about trolls. Ive ran with diamond smurfs that have seen these matches with me and they cant even carry the 1v5 game that all the higher up players claim is oh so easy to beat. So learn something before you try to talk crap about other players, k .:)

Yo news flash man, Challenger is as good as Bronze, you can be top 100 or top .01%, riot equally doesn't care.

RedTaoJun 18, 20161 votes

If that was the case, why is it after 3-4 years of trying to get out of bronze 5, I'm still not considered challenger? By your logic it shouldn't be hard at all to get out of Bronze 5 and even make it to Diamond, but here I am. Stuck in Bronze 5 for probably the rest of my time on LoL

Guyy FieriJun 18, 20161 votes

Funny how so many people have these issues with trolls feeders yet I don't see that many. I've been able to climb to silver IV from bronze IV with actually fairly little issue (I think I failed one promo series). Climbing isn't actually that difficult if you know what to do to win ranked games.

allarannaJun 18, 20161 votes

Then you sir/ma'am are one of the very few lucky ones to have not run across this problem. As i stated to another individual on this thread i did get myself from b5 to b1 almost to silver promos, then i run across every one of the problems listed in my original post above, I would also like to add I did that in a week. Please understand I know they cant do anything about trolls/afks in the game they will always be there, but what they can do is prevent a point loss when a game is trolled or return points if that needs to be the case after a report is sent in. They have already implemented a help for the afks which is the remake, now they need to figure out a way to help the team mates of those individuals that have a bug up their rear just to be a jerk that day and ruin the match for their team mates. That is the point of this post and if people would actually read it in its entirety and comprehend what the post is actually about it would go alot further than the few lucky ones talking about how its so easy.

Guyy FieriJun 18, 20161 votes

I will say that I may have jinxed myself...got a troll In a game last in my series for silver 3 luckily managed to still carry the game with my buddy's help but it wasn't easy

allarannaJun 19, 20161 votes

Theres the thing right there. 1 troll and it took 2 of you who actually played well to be able to win that match, so tell me what happens when you have 2 or 3 trolls, lol there arent enough team mates to pick up the slack.

EVG MikeJun 18, 20161 votes

Climbing is a marathon not a sprint. If you consistantly perform well in your games, over time you will climb.

allarannaJun 19, 20161 votes

I did state to another individual on this post i went from b5 to b1 in the span of a week, but got seriously trolled all the way back down over several weeks time. I also have over 1000 ranked games played over 500 games won and im still in b5. My cs is good my rotation is good i get my team and myself kills, my itemizing is good, but one person cannot win a match alone, let alone when you have trolls and afkers.