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Perma Banned for this?

WreckIes··3 votes·3,083 views
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So I just played a ranked game where my bot lane was feeding really hard so they just started trolling and dying intentionally. Our jungle rammus also started trolling and just powerballed in and died over and over. Obviously I was frustrated so I might have said some things that I shouldn't have, but come on this is a competitive game. Almost every other competitve game has voice comms where people say much worse things than this. Also, anything bad I might have said were only insults to people's gameplay, I did not say anything that should have offended them personally so I really don't understand why I got perma banned for this. I know this community likes to circle jerk around the idea that you should just mute everyone in games like this, but if the justification for me getting banned is that im ruining the game for other people, why are they not getting banned considering they are ruining the game for everyone much more than I am. I have spent over $200 on this game, not to mention all the time I spent grinding ip for runes and champions. I peaked d5 last year and was going for diamond again this year so yes I am a competitive player and getting banned for something like this and losing all that time and money is just infuriating. If chat logs are the only reason I got banned, then why can't I just be perma chat banned? Why do they have to straight up ban my account, This makes no sense at all.

54 Comments

The Poetic Zed14 votes

When people mention the money they spent before getting permabanned [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Rem Was Here6 votes

Yep you deserved it.

WreckIes1 votes

Tell me exactly why I deserve to get my account permanently banned just for something I said in chat? Permanent chat ban I can understand but whats the point of perma banning the account when they can just perma chat ban and theres no more problem? Also, what you see there is just what I typed, not what the rest of the team was typing. It might look like im just verbally abusing but our botlane was doing the same thing, calling me bad for "letting" leblanc roam even though I pinged mia every time she was gone. Honestly idk how you think you could judge this entire situation based on my chat log alone.

Dumb Monster4 votes

{quoted}

Tell me exactly why I deserve to get my account permanently banned just for something I said in chat? Permanent chat ban I can understand but whats the point of perma banning the account when they can just perma chat ban and theres no more problem? Also, what you see there is just what I typed, not what the rest of the team was typing. It might look like im just verbally abusing but our botlane was doing the same thing, calling me bad for "letting" leblanc roam even though I pinged mia every time she was gone. Honestly idk how you think you could judge this entire situation based on my chat log alone.

You probably had multiple warnings before this perma unless you were EXTREMELY toxic in which it would take you straight to a perma. In the lone game you showed us you were verbally harassing your teammates, calling them trash, saying they suck, etc.. No one cares whether bot was verbally harassing you or not. This is YOUR case. The Old Tribunal and current Instant Feedback System look at YOU in YOUR case and THEM in THEIR case. If the bot lane you were talking about continues the behavior you described, they will eventually get their own consequences. However, I repeat. This is YOUR case. Riot doesn't care what bot or jg or whoever said because this is not their case. Riot is not reviewing the bot lane players' behavior, they are reviewing yours. (sorry for using caps, there's no underline option to emphasize it and Bold sucks imo.)

Also, I've read a million of these ban cases on the forums and everyone mentions how much money they spend. I have 3 accounts on multiple servers and have only spent $25 on one of them. I have yet to be banned or chat restricted. My point is, Riot doesn't pardon/punish based on the money you spend. You would've been banned with those chat logs whether you spent a nickel or a million bucks on this game.

WreckIes1 votes

Again, like I said, none of my cases were extreme in the slightest. I solely criticized people for their game-play when they were obviously intentionally feeding or just not even trying to win anymore.

CooL Ice Tea2 votes

And you ignore the first sentences

You probably had multiple warnings before this perma unless you were EXTREMELY toxic in which it would take you straight to a perma.

You got warnings, you gave a sh*t and now does riot.

WreckIes1 votes

Warnings? Yet I got chat restrictions but not a single warning that actually notified me that I was at risk of getting perma banned. Am I just supposed to assume that perma bans are given out so easily?

Bettnachleger2 votes

You got a 14 day ban, I guess? Just read the end of the email.

truonq6 votes

{quoted}

Obviously I was frustrated so I might have said some things that I shouldn't have, but come on this is a competitive game. Almost every other competitve game has voice comms where people say much worse things than this. Also, anything bad I might have said were only insults to people's gameplay, I did not say anything that should have offended them personally so I really don't understand why I got perma banned for this.

That's just 1 excerpt from 1 game, I assume you talk like that in more than 1 game to get yourself banned, which makes the ban quite justified

Lexilulu2 votes

{quoted}

Obviously I was frustrated so I might have said some things that I shouldn't have, but come on this is a competitive game. Almost every other competitve game has voice comms where people say much worse things than this. Also, anything bad I might have said were only insults to people's gameplay, I did not say anything that should have offended them personally so I really don't understand why I got perma banned for this.

That's just 1 excerpt from 1 game, I assume you talk like that in more than 1 game to get yourself banned, which makes the ban quite justified

This^^^^

WreckIes1 votes

{quoted}

Obviously I was frustrated so I might have said some things that I shouldn't have, but come on this is a competitive game. Almost every other competitve game has voice comms where people say much worse things than this. Also, anything bad I might have said were only insults to people's gameplay, I did not say anything that should have offended them personally so I really don't understand why I got perma banned for this.

That's just 1 excerpt from 1 game, I assume you talk like that in more than 1 game to get yourself banned, which makes the ban quite justified

Ok, ill admit there have been other games where I may have said things like this to people, but it was never anything extreme like telling someone to kill themselves or get cancer. I solely criticized them for their game-play which imo is reasonable in a competitive game. I can understand someone getting offended if it was something personal like a death threat or something but telling someone they suck because they cant land any hooks or telling your team the enemy midlaner is garbage because they lost lane with mr runes and an early game champ, how is that offending people???

Sarutobi3 votes

Seems like a worthy ban. You have to remember in order to get a permaban you usually go through various other punishment before getting the final strike. With this chat log alone you show signs of ridiculing, and demeaning towards other people. You give no actual criticism, or any way to help your teammates improves. Calling them trash and useless does nothing to help them so why even bother to tell them that?

But like i said it seems like you arent learning that this type of behavior isnt tolerated. you obviously cannot follow rules, and since you didnt learn the last 3 times (assuming you did get those punishments) then why should they give you more chances?

WreckIes1 votes

They don't have to give more chances, but they don't need to perma ban the account either. They can just permanently chat ban the account considering that verbal abuse is my only offense.

Sarutobi1 votes

{quoted}

They don't have to give more chances, but they don't need to perma ban the account either. They can just permanently chat ban the account considering that verbal abuse is my only offense.

except they dont have that as a punishment probably because it wouldnt work. It would just lead people to just troll people since they cannot chat with them. But either way in my opinion you were rightfully ban. You havent learn from your previous suspension so why bother keeping you in the game if you are going to continue to act toxic?

WreckIes1 votes

Yes but according to rito, trolling is fine as long as you dont verbally abuse anyone so im pretty sure that would fix all problems considering all the trolls never get banned anyways.

Dominick Destine1 votes

{quoted}

Yes but according to rito, trolling is fine as long as you dont verbally abuse anyone

It's funny how Riot Games will censor me for expressing disappointment in a way that is not "Politically correct" but will completely ignore people like you that outright slander/libel their company.

Sarutobi2 votes

{quoted}

Yes but according to rito, trolling is fine as long as you dont verbally abuse anyone so im pretty sure that would fix all problems considering all the trolls never get banned anyways.

which just shows how little you know about all this. Troll has never and will never be "fine". People get ban for it just like people get ban for being toxic. Its just much more harder to find and deal with because of how creative people are about trolling, especially when the term "trolling" is so vague. But they will get punished.

Aubster2 votes

I agree that you should not have been perma-banned. I think they should add a system where you get banned and get a huge red warning on your account that lasts a month or two. If you're toxic again while your account has that mark, then you get perma-banned. A perma-ban is the most extreme thing and should not be given out so lightly.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

That's exactly what they do.

Perma bans for toxicity happen for one of two reason: either you are so toxic the case is manually reviewed the permaban is instant, or you go through a 10 game chat restriction, a 25 game one, then a 14 day ban. If you still haven't changed your behavior after that, Riot's only option is to permaban you.

Aubster2 votes

I just mean a viable mark on one's account showing that they're close to being perma-banned. Not changing the system at all, just making it clear what's about to happen.

Forever Pantheon2 votes

Riot specifically won't do this because it would make it to easy for trolls to continue trolling forever on the same account.

WreckIes1 votes

Exactly, if I knew the next time I called someone trash I would get perma banned I would have just muted everyone in the beginning of every game. How hard is it for them to at least give some kind of warning before perma banning?

Twiggles1 votes

They... They give you several warnings... It's called two chat restrictions and a 2 week suspension... Or were those not clear enough indicators that your behavior was unacceptable and your punishments were increasing in severity?

WreckIes1 votes

No, I had no reason to believe that I would get perma banned after a 2 week suspension. I didn't get any warning telling me "hey, the next time you call your botlane trash your account is getting perma banned." Again, why are you so set on defending riot's actions. Do you really believe what I said in that game had any real affect on the outcome? Do you really think me calling the blitz bad for missing hooks is going to cause him to go into depression? Do you think me telling my team how bad the enemy leblanc is made them sad? If you truly believe that im afraid you are the one who is delusional.

Twiggles3 votes

The two week suspension IS your warning. You shouldn't need to have it spelled out for you. You should be able to recognize that you are being repeatedly given escalating punishments for your actions and mend those actions accordingly. Otherwise risk even more severe punishments. It isn't a difficult pattern to recognize.

Again, why are you so set on defending riot's actions.

Because Riot has not done anything wrong. YOU violated the terms you agree to TWICE every time the game patches MULTIPLE TIMES. Those MULTIPLE OFFENSES eventually led to you getting your account's final warning (2 week suspension). Instead of changing how you handle your chat in light of your multiple punishments, you decided to keep on doing it and then somehow are surprised when your punishment escalates AGAIN.

Do you really believe what I said in that game had any real affect on the outcome?

No, I don't. AND THAT IS MY ENTIRE POINT. Why go out of your way to be an asshole in chat if IT WILL DO NOTHING BUT GET YOU IN TROUBLE? You won't magically make them stop feeding or being bad at the game. You'll only piss them off and make a bad situation worse for everyone involved.

Do you really think me calling the blitz bad for missing hooks is going to cause him to go into depression?

Maybe, but probably not. I don't know the player personally. Either way it is irrelevant as there is no point or excuse for berating your team anyways.

Do you think me telling my team how bad the enemy leblanc is made them sad?

See directly above.

If you truly believe that im afraid you are the one who is delusional.

You can think whatever you want about me. It won't make you behavior any more acceptable, your punishment any less deserved, or your account any less banned.

CooL Ice Tea2 votes

No, I had no reason to believe that I would get perma banned after a 2 week suspension.

https://i.gyazo.com/a5fe4c5fc0a90566e8bc7ee407c28c66.png

Read the last sentences. That's the warning by every 14 day ban.

And btw ... telling someone how bad he is will never ever push him to his best. NEVER. If someone blames me and tells me I do shit - I play even worse cause i am afraid of failing my cs even more ore misslick. And then this stuff happens.

WreckIes1 votes

I never got that warning after my 14 day suspension.

Masala Chai2 votes

E. Suspension/Termination.

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You** legally agreed** to this agreement and Riot deserves the right to suspend and terminate your account by any reason.

The Summoner's Code under Article 8 says...

Leave No Newbie Behind! "Be an opener of doors for such as come after thee." -Ralph Waldo Emerson We all started somewhere, and if we're going to do justice to the people who helped us move up the ladder, we have to start by paying homage to our roots. If you see a player having a bad game, or who clearly doesn't grasp the fundamentals of the genre, try offering some constructive advice. If you do so in a civil and friendly manner, it's likely that they will be receptive. Oftentimes they'll be downright grateful that somebody took the time to let them know how to improve instead of yelling at them. Never get frustrated by an inexperienced player's performance. At some point, you were just as green as they were, even if it was the day that you downloaded the League of Legends client. Have a little patience, and try and help the player step up to a level where both of you can enjoy the game. At the same time, don't be discouraged if they aren't receptive. Some small percentage of players will get hung up on the notion that they don't need anybody's help, and, no matter how politely you try to lend a hand, they won't want to hear it. That's no reason to give up on the rest of them!

@RiotLyte, to be fair please offer this man an explanation because I've seen much worse chat logs.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

I did not say anything that should have offended them personally so I really don't understand why I got perma banned for this

Uhh..

http://i.imgur.com/go98bPi.png

WreckIes1 votes

If someone calling you bad at a game offends you on a personal level, I feel bad for you.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Then mind telling me what's the benefit of calling people suck? It looks nothing more than self-releasing that useless frustration in you, plus making yourself feel good while not caring how the others feel.

But oh well, good thing you're out of the game anyway.

WreckIes

If it helps me release frustration while giving the trolling idiots the joy of getting to report me then what exactly is the problem. It's not like im the bully here, they are ruining the game for me so I speak my mind as to what I think of that. I know people like you just love to report people who insult you for feeding so dont act like the insults are actually hurting you in any way, if anything you probably enjoy it.

WreckIes1 votes

I can't believe you people actually think it's fair for someone to get perma banned over something like this. Hopefully you'll have a change of mind once it happens to you.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

I never received a single chat restriction, unlike someone who doesn't know how to change their chatting habits after receiving 3 punishment tiers.

But sure, if I were the one receiving a permaban due to toxicity, I'd be glad to accept it since it's my mistake.

WreckIes1 votes

Again, I didn't think I would straight up get perma banned that easiy. I legitimately don't think anything I said there or in the chats before was permanent ban worthy, Im not mad that they chat banned me, but it literally makes 0 sense just to perma ban for something like that.

Pantheon Forever2 votes

{quoted}

Again, I didn't think I would straight up get perma banned that easiy. I legitimately don't think anything I said there or in the chats before was permanent ban worthy, Im not mad that they chat banned me, but it literally makes 0 sense just to perma ban for something like that.

The thing is Riot is not saying this offense is permanent ban worthy (unless u have never been chat restricted before). What riot is saying is it is chat restriction worthy. The catch is that Riot says that if you keep repeating this behavior that chat restrictions will escalate to more severe punishments and being a repeat offender is what earned you the permanent ban. Until recently players would just accumulate chat restrictions and the # of games players would have to play to get it lifted quickly rose over the expected # of lifetime games an account would have. This combined with a flood of players complaining and quitting the game due to it being more about abusing your allies than defeating your enemy forced them to change how they handled the punishment system as a whole. They then implemented a 4 tier system and only the most extreme cases would skip tiers but any offense would bump you up one tier to the 4th tier which unfortunately is good bye.

If you decide to make another account remember that if your allies are (insert undesirable trait) they likely do not care or want to hear about it, and if other good players are on your team they likely made the same observation as you. No one benefits from you identifying it while the game is in progress. You however do lose out on time in game you spend typing and you risk losing access to your account if you retaliate in game. You are in luck because riot has provided a way to fight back but its not through insults or lecturing those who don't care or understand its though the end of game report feature and your able to provide as much details and specific as you can remember, furthermore you can submit screen shots or recordings of games through player support on the website.

Your disappointment with your team is most likely justified but your way of handling the situation is not. Let riot support staff send them the same message you got (it tends to speak a lot louder than any comment another user makes) and focus on the game in progress until it ends. There is no amount of arguing with a troll in game that will help you and you risk everything to do it.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

DeloricVI2 votes

Sorry, it's not up to us, it's up to Riot. You can't just get permanently banned from chat logs, last I checked. Last time I checked, there were a few steps before you get permabanned off verbal abuse. Not to mention, that is a LONG list of things that make the experience less enjoyable for a lot of players involved.

Besides, this is Riot's community, and if they consider you to be making the community worse, they have every right to permaban you. This game is free to play; if you buy anything with real money, that's purely your choice. It doesn't afford you any privileges other than access to that item, whether it's a champion, ward skin, chroma pack, whatever it is you pay for in this game.

WreckIes1 votes

Sure but what im saying is how does perma banning me solve anything. I can just make a new account and keep "flaming" if it's even bad enough to be called that. If anything, they should have just permanently chat banned me since that is the only problem.

DeloricVI1 votes

You know those skins you lost? All that time you invested in grinding? All of that practice you put in to get whatever ranking you had? All of that is your penalty. This is used as a deterrant to either keep you from coming back, or keep you from being toxic when you come back. Even for experienced players, the climb from 1 to 30 is a slog, and will take quite a while, yet another reason to either avoid getting banned in the first place, or not be toxic when you come back.

What does a permaban solve? If you have to ask that question, then you didn't even read your own post. You said it yourself; you will never get that $200 worth of skins back, or the countless hours you spent playing games to get all of your runes and champions that you unlocked with ip instead of rp. Plain and simple.

Surr20plz2 votes

Are you trying to say that the above game was the only game you've been toxic in since your 2 week ban?

Let's not lie to eachother friend. I used to be toxic just like you. Do you want to know what I've figured out about their automated system? The MAIN THING it looks for is how many lines you've typed.

If you want to get away with talking shit. Talk a lot less, and don't use the buzz words the automated system is looking for. Curse words etc. Never ever tell anyone to kill themselves. I've baited 2 people into telling me to kill myself and both times got the "Thanks for your report! We just dunked on this fool!"

But back to your case. Let's be honest bro you probably got the report screen a lot since your 2 week and this perma is the culmination of all those times. Sorry this happened to you because people say a hell of a lot worse shit than your latest example, but we don't know what you said in your last 8 toxic games either, but I bet you typed A LOT of LINES.

If you get a 2 week you gotta let it go or this is what happens.

Gl next time.

WreckIes1 votes

Thats the thing though, I got no report warnings since the 2 week ban. Then all the sudden after one game a message popped up saying I was perma banned.

Chaotic Sage1 votes

So you expect MORE warnings after getting through all of their warning steps and even the suspension?

Surr20plz2 votes

Actually, I wasn't toxic like you (no callimg people trash etc.) . I just called for REPORTS! All day on everyone who was being toxic.

Turns out that's also considered toxic, and to this day they haven't officiallly posted somewhere everywhere the playerbase can see that this can get you in trouble. Yes, I know there's a red forum post about it on here some where but it needs to be a loading screen message.

But I typed A LOT.

And that's what sets off the system.

Surr20plz1 votes

You're definitely not a nice person. I don't know how many games you have like that, but even so I wouldn't permaban you.

Until you start using real hate speech I would try to reform you further,but how many 2 week bans has this account received? If more than 2 or 3 then you had to have seen this coming.

WreckIes1 votes

Ok, even if im not a nice person getting perma banned for one game after only one 2 week ban? And again like I said, what I said this game wasn't even that bad. Only reason I got reported was because our botlane was a butthurt duo q.

EvilDustMan1 votes

I don't even have to look that hard. You call your team fucking idiots in the first few lines. You berate rammus. You berate blitz. You tell them they suck. It is not really that fun to play when you have someone constantly getting down on you for every single mistake.

You shouldn't need a warning after the 2 week ban. You should have taken the hint. Doing this just after the two week ban is proof to Riot that you are unwilling to change. So they banned you.

You want my name1 votes

just stop

spirit cooking1 votes

They want you to have full chat on a new account. You are an ambassador to the new player community. Teach them to be toxic. Godspeed, sir.

SweetBippyIDid1 votes

You got enough warnings. The next logical thing was a perma-ban.

EndGamer111 votes

"you all suck" is not constructive criticism. Try "Ward more pls" or "Group Mid" next time.

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