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14 Day ban calling griefers trolls?

Grabherbythekity·4/2/2018, 8:25:01 PM·2 votes·1,171 views

Hi all, I'm trying to be very civil about this, I'm just very confused by the extreme actions taken on mild non-aggro chat. Background: I was honor eligible at the time of this. and received 5 honors between these 2 games.

Edit: After re-reading the universal rules, the only thing I could see even being questionable is "Naming" by calling someone a troll. But I don't believe banning people on this basis is consistent at all, as it would be naming to call someone a "griefer" so where is the difference, and what is actually accepted?

**Game 1: **

Was put in a draft que 2 times with a duo. one of them joined both pregame lobbys and said "I'm Jungle or I Feed," when they didn't get selected for jungle. Both games I offered to fill as I join fill every game. The duo went on to yell at our team in all chat and feed int. when teammates did not FF the game. The duo then proceeded to decline my FF vote, then yell at the team more blaming them for not FFing claiming they voted yes.

Game 2:

I joined a draft que solo with a group of 4. I told everyone on our team but one GG. The 4 teammates sat in base and danced until we lost the game, all 4 gave me honors, and the worst thing I said all game was "ggwp all but yi"

Overall

"The way to stay out of the penalty box is to consistently play to win, without going aggro in chat" - ban notification by Riot

From my chat below, I know my opinion is biased, but I don't see aggro chat, unless you consider "troll" aggro, but I don't believe it was used aggressively as it was used to label them a griefer and bring them to light for others to monitor. And I always play to win as a Fill, even when we have griefing trolls on our team. My stats will show that in all these games, I'm playing to the end in my role or filling roles, while these players are either int. feeding, or dancing in base? Am I just getting punished because I was a solo, while these players all had a group to report me with? Where do you draw the line of what is aggro and what is not? I'm so confused by this, and don't believe banning people who are calling out bullies and griefers is warranted. Do I have to join with friends to protect me from getting group reported? I received notification that players were disciplined due to my feedback, yet I get punished calling out a troll in a civil way? Am I wrong to think the below was aggro to anyone, in any way? Why does the game punish people for calling out complete trolls that waste an hour of 10 peoples lives.... I believe this is very extreme for the context, and would appreciate some explanation for the severity of this, and why I was punished at all? If you're going to tell me those players were punished, when they obviously were griefing, why punish a player for communicating the griefing situation in chat?

Game 1 Grabherbythekity: muting and reporting teemo, joins 2 games in a row saying "jungle or feed" Grabherbythekity: im not doing anything wrong Grabherbythekity: you cant join draft ques and go Jungle or feed Grabherbythekity: lol trist just watches and doesnt put any pressure so she can prove a point, its ok man ill stay behind u now Grabherbythekity: lol this trist sees me getting attacked and she runs further back Grabherbythekity: never ganks. Grabherbythekity: you must be qued with teemo LOL Grabherbythekity: i said yes guy so you can stop blaming me for everything Grabherbythekity: you and teemo are duo troll Grabherbythekity: its obvious Grabherbythekity: and im the troll? lol he's in t heir base Grabherbythekity: trist and teemo are obviously duo trolling there's no other way to explain this Grabherbythekity: trist diving again do you see this? Grabherbythekity: someone wont FF but they are yelling at me blaming me for it Grabherbythekity: see, i voted yes and now hes blaming me and feeding Grabherbythekity: i voted yes guy, and even if i didnt, its still reportable that you're feeding and trolling and griefing us all Grabherbythekity: i dont want to play this match with you trolls anymore i want to ff Grabherbythekity: believe me now guy, i hope you get perma banned with teemo Grabherbythekity: THEY ARE VOTING NO AND YELLING AT US AND TROLLING TELLING US WE ARE VOTING NO HOW TROLL IS THAT Game 2 Grabherbythekity: wow bs that hit after i flashed Grabherbythekity: free kill yi ? Grabherbythekity: you dont want it ok Grabherbythekity: thanks bro Grabherbythekity: way too late man i pinged like 5 in ago Grabherbythekity: its ok tho i know how important gromp is LOL Grabherbythekity: yi mid is not blue and gromp, you got blue and gromp while he was top lane solo with 50 hp Grabherbythekity: its ok tho he's only gonna get a free snowball now Grabherbythekity: help yourself bro im so behind cuz of you already Grabherbythekity: aatrox is so fed and he even gets ganks i luckily killed Grabherbythekity: ggwp Grabherbythekity: yi was aat gromp at game start when you were no hp Grabherbythekity: he doesn't care you're snowballing Grabherbythekity: LOL Grabherbythekity: yea get that gromp Grabherbythekity: no i get 1v1'd level one and jungle sat at blue and gromp for 3 minutes while top had 100hp Grabherbythekity: ggwp all but yi Grabherbythekity: sounds like it Grabherbythekity: i lost lane? bot is pushed to core Grabherbythekity: well yea espicially when yi gives him 4 mote kills, i got a double kill when you tried to gank me Grabherbythekity: yi is dancing in base reported Grabherbythekity: whole team dancing in base Grabherbythekity: report me tho cuz they all dancing Grabherbythekity: im trying so hard right now you can tell Grabherbythekity: my team all gets reports Grabherbythekity: i dont care if its ranked, they quit

15 Comments

Leylania4/2/2018, 11:49:20 PM3 votes

Grabherbythekity: lol trist just watches and doesnt put any pressure so she can prove a point, its ok man ill stay behind u now Grabherbythekity: lol this trist sees me getting attacked and she runs further back Grabherbythekity: never ganks. Grabherbythekity: see, i voted yes and now hes blaming me and feeding Grabherbythekity: free kill yi ? Grabherbythekity: you dont want it ok Grabherbythekity: thanks bro Grabherbythekity: way too late man i pinged like 5 in ago Grabherbythekity: its ok tho i know how important gromp is LOL Grabherbythekity: yi mid is not blue and gromp, you got blue and gromp while he was top lane solo with 50 hp Grabherbythekity: ggwp Grabherbythekity: yi was aat gromp at game start when you were no hp Grabherbythekity: he doesn't care you're snowballing Grabherbythekity: yea get that gromp Grabherbythekity: no i get 1v1'd level one and jungle sat at blue and gromp for 3 minutes while top had 100hp Grabherbythekity: ggwp all but yi

This is some of the things which most people would not exactly see as friendly or helpful chat. Especially the part where you harass Yi because you don't like that he was doing Gromp instead of coming to you and getting a kill. And to answer your question from the other post

How do you communicate with team on events in game if you can't say. "get off gromp and come kill the guy top lane with 50hp" Without Harassing them?!?!?!

By doing excatly what you said in this quote. But this is not what you did. You flamed the Yi for not coming after the situation already happened and not only once but multiple times. Telling someone to come to your lane is fine, flaming them for not coming afterwards is not fine.

usul12024/2/2018, 8:49:46 PM1 votes

You spent the entire first game harassing tristana and teemo and the latter half of the second game blaming yi for most of the problems in the game. If they were trolling, then your chat would have fed the trolls and made it worse. If they weren't trolling, then you just harassed them for mistakes, and likely led to them playing worse, since none of you chat is constructive.

Sp33d Zer04/2/2018, 8:52:26 PM1 votes

As a response to your earlier reply to me:

You go into game one being pretty negative. I get the frustration from the player, but you're Just adding to the tilt in game. You are correct and not toxic by stating he can't call jungle or feed, but then toy start going off on other teammates because you were already on tilt. This is not acceptable behavior for the chat logs.

Disaster 414/2/2018, 8:43:43 PM1 votes

It would be very tedious for me to go thru this chatlog and tell you why everything you typed is toxic. So I will instead highlight the things you said that were NOT toxic.

Grabherbythekity: im not doing anything wrong Grabherbythekity: thanks bro Grabherbythekity: yea get that gromp

Everything else you typed was toxic and your ban was SUPER justified, I feel sorry for anyone matched with or against you. [BTW I am well aware those last 2 were sarcastic and passive aggressive comments, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt to make you look slightly less dumb.]

Hekinokurohyou4/3/2018, 9:49:44 AM1 votes

Why does this have so many down votes? riot literally has a tip that says "bullshitting is fine" he didnt do anything egregiously horrible or even curse them out which is more self restraint than i can claim. this white or black kindergarten view of social interactions is depressing and I didnt see anything that, if i were voting in the tribunal, i would vote punish for. Y'all are some social justice warriors lol.

I Yuke I5/22/2018, 2:38:50 PM1 votes

Looks to me that he's just calling out griefers.

Eedat4/2/2018, 8:53:20 PM1 votes

First, you dont jump right to a 14 day ban unless you were using slurs (also racist/sexist comments), making threats, encouraging suicide, or sexual harrassment. Honestly your name alone might fit into the last category. You and everyone else knows exactly what it actually references. Finding a way around the filters doesnt mean you're in the blue and wont be punished for it. You've had prior punishments which is why you're at a 14 day ban or you fall into one of the categories i mentioned. Second, the surrender vote is just that. A vote. You get your vote and everyone gets theirs. Them using their vote to vote no is not trolling. I looked at your match history and your last game did not have an inter. You just decided to bash them and call them inters because the game wasnt going well and flame them for voting no. Thats why you got punished. Use your vote and if others disagree, deal with it.