Harsh and sudden permanent ban for a returning player

Clodunk··4 votes·1,874 views
http://imgur.com/lhg8lY8
 I recently returned to playing LoL at the end of season 5 and for season 6.  I cannot recall a convincing record of negative behavior on my account. 

I last played a match where a teammate initiated toxic behavior, followed it by intentionally feeding, and continued flaming/surrender-spamming for the rest of the game. These games are always to hard to remain calm for the entire team. I uploaded my side of the game chat log. I have requested the full game log from Riot through Support Requests.

Excessively rude and negative behavior as far as I've understood generally contains more offensive words than childlike ones of "nerd" and "doofus." I've been led to believe excessive cursing, racism, homophobia; i.e. use of words like F*** or N*****, were less joking and more angry and mean.

I'm curious where and what the tipping point is in this chat log, which would be nicer to see full chat log since I wasn't talking to myself. Riot claims to encourage reform but have acted quite sudden with a permanent ban and I feel in the dark about exactly which part of my behavior is not welcomed.

EDIT1: There's a clear niche community here and the same silly immature behavior as in game. I talked to some people who had things to say, others didn't.

This community was once a lot more acceptable and reasonable. It is now far too sensitive and ironically points blame in the wrong direction and believes it can solve a problem it doesn't understand using naive methods that don't work.

40 Comments

Athina5 votes

Do you know why they only show your side of the chat log? Because it doesn't matter what anyone else did. You are responsible for your own actions, regardless of circumstance. You were toxic, got reported, and got punished. It's as simple as that.

Clodunk3 votes

But we need better feedback to understand ourselves in the game. The tribunal's feedback system is poor, too automated, and needs to return player criticism.

It's ridiculous to kick someone out of a game this quickly for behavior that is silly and childish when the community is silly and childish. Automated-behavior reports are very strict; words like nerds and doofus. Direct response comments to the player on certain words and phrases could be a lot more helpful. I think this game assumes too many things are just angry, negative comments and engages in an automated disciplinary action.

Leauge of legends needs to experiment voice chat. I guarantee things wouldn't get as emotional or lead to reports. Context is always assumed to the worse in chat logs is appears.

Athina3 votes

The feedback system is fine exactly the way it is. When you get punished, you receive logs of the games that pushed you over the edge, as you posted. That's all you need for anyone to determine if someone deserves a punishment, so that's all you get. The system is strict because, believe it or not, people can actually be offended by the things you say. Just because one person doesn't react to being called a certain name doesn't mean that someone else would respond the same way. Anything that can come off as insulting or hurtful is just more reason for punishment.

Envy Sin3 votes

Lmfao, If someone is sitting their and insulting you nonstop with slurs throwing "nerd" can hardly be called offensive

this is the point of CONTEXT

someone calls you a F****** noob and you call them a nerd, and YOUR the one with a permaban lol.

Athina3 votes

OR just mute and report them. They will get what they deserve eventually. As soon as you respond with anything that could be considered toxic behavior you open yourself up to being punished yourself.

Envy Sin3 votes

Anything can be toxic without context.

Examples off the top of my head

GG Ez ~ Very toxic, Though Ez happened to be in the game. And was referring to the champion, Not the difficulty of the game.

Man that's pretty much game ~ Also toxic, 5 mins in they score a ace in our jungle with a lategame comp. Not much you can do once that kind of team is ahead.

"report them" (straight out of your post) Is reportable and bannable when taken out of context.

"toxic behavior" Calling someone toxic IS toxic (Taking things out of context is fun right?)

If this was a game those 4 words could get you banned.

Athina4 votes

GG Ez ~ Very toxic, Though Ez happened to be in the game. And was referring to the champion, Not the difficulty of the game.

I'm sure there are considerations for this exact scenario.

Man that's pretty much game ~ Also toxic, 5 mins in they score a ace in our jungle with a lategame comp. Not much you can do once that kind of team is ahead.

Being negative is a reportable offense.

"report them" (straight out of your post) Is reportable and bannable when taken out of context.

Asking players in game to report another player is a reportable offense. Telling someone on the boards that they should report any given player that is being toxic or negative is not.

"toxic behavior" Calling someone toxic IS toxic (Taking things out of context is fun right?)

You're right, taking things out of context is fun. If a player comes to these boards to find out why they were punished, they will likely be told they were being objectively toxic, meaning that anyone could come to the same conclusion. It isn't the same as just spitting it out in the middle of a game.

If this was a game those 4 words could get you banned.

This isn't the game. These are the forums, where people find out exactly why these actions are unacceptable when you are in game.

swordartonlineyi1 votes

So what exactly did he do?? This ban right here is why I don't use the chat anymore. How sensitive is this entire community?? His negative terms included "doofus" and some light reference to how feed-like his teammates were. Unless you are homeschooled and Amish this chat wouldn't offend you. It's funny how Riot had now created an equal balance of flaming intentional feeders and overly sensitive people. I am firmly disgusted by/hate 75 percent of you. The rest of you just keep grinding.

Kei1434 votes

and what would you do if they did?

  1. SEE IT'S THEIR FAULT!! I WAS JUST DEFENDING MYSELF!!

  2. THEY STARTED IT!!

  3. I WANT THEM BANNED INSTEAD!!

  4. some other comment?

EDIT; 5) all of the above

Void Nargacuga2 votes
  1. All of the above.
Kei1431 votes

fine .. i'll edit it in, happy now?

:)

Void Nargacuga2 votes

I was just trying to get a laugh honestly. XD

Kei1431 votes

Yaya.. - know where you are going with it, and you know where I'm going with this as well :)

Void Nargacuga3 votes

Yep! I'll just go grab some popcorn now! https://i.gyazo.com/1879ddad395eac2137cba238079be701.png

Clodunk1 votes

Single person chat logs are entirely ineffective for looking at behavior of a single person, which isn't ironic at all because I would not expect to be able to understand the behavior of someone interacting with other players by looking at some weird conversion where I only hear one person talking. You know what I'm saying?

I think it also helps give reference to the entire game summary since online chat dialogue in a video game is not some grammatically, logical, formally written discussion between Hemingway and Faulkner. Ideas and thoughts within the realm of LoL tend to be a bit wacky from experience.

Kei1432 votes

so .. 1) ?

  1. ?

or 5) ?

Clodunk2 votes
  1. or (new #1) begin reading an actual chat log report.
Void Nargacuga1 votes

7: We focus on YOUR chat logs since they are the ones that are in question.

Clodunk2 votes

If we, you mean the tribunal, then your feedback is poor.

There is lack of understanding for the player of what is unacceptable. Context is assumed through two parties about another party of five (or 10) and no personal feedback is given.

Kei1432 votes

yea .. and how does having their logs help judge you?

you are responsible for what you've said and they don't type for you. so it boils back down to 1) or 2)

Gives No Lux3 votes

There are only two reasons you would want chat logs. First to claim 'I didn't deserve this!' and secondly to figure out exactly how big of an ass you can be before you are punished.

It's simple, don't be negative, don't be passive aggressive, don't point fingers period. Your defense of 'hey, I'm not as big of a jerk as those other people' proves you think your callous and long-standing poor treatment of other players is acceptable.

Well, it is not and you are not welcome in the League of Legends community.

Volgaria2 votes

I think you can get more of the logs, this is just the last straw in your ban. This didn't look too bad but other reports might have been much worse than this. It sucks and is annoying as hell to deal with some people, but you are responsible for what you say and your own actions, despite what others do. Self control is a thing, and so is the mute button. Not saying I don't get pissed when someone is trolling our team or feeding, I just don't verbalize it in chat (much).

Clodunk1 votes

They don't give enough feedback on the status of the behavior on an account and what is not welcomed behavior. If this game is included in my report, I dont understand why. It shouldn't be.

Volgaria2 votes

I'll admit the titanic joke was pretty funny though.

Clodunk3 votes

I'm just trying to have a good time.

Calling someone a "nerd" is an acronym for settle down, relax, we can still win, buddy.

Void Nargacuga2 votes

Full Definition of nerd

:  an unstylish, unattractive, or socially inept person; especially :  one slavishly devoted to intellectual or academic pursuits <computer nerds>

Yeah I don't see what your saying anywhere in the definition...

Clodunk3 votes

"Full Definition of nerd" - Bow hunter 16 (NA)- 9 minutes ago Text will is interpreted as under the attitude read by those who read it. I could say you are a nerd in the sense that you are being a single minded expert in the definition of a nerd. What a goof and a gaff!

I don't even know why (or where) you're citing "nerd" from or if it even matters, because it is not like there are single sources and definitions for words.

If your point was to say you don't see what I'm saying any where in "the definition" (we talkin' about THE DEFINITION of NERD? what's that?), then I don't see what I was saying any where in your "the definition" of nerd.

Void Nargacuga2 votes

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"Full Definition of nerd" - Bow hunter 16 (NA)- 9 minutes ago Text will is interpreted as under the attitude read by those who read it. I could say you are a nerd in the sense that you are being a single minded expert in the definition of a nerd. What a goof and a gaff!

Yeah that could be called harassment, congrats.

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I don't even know why (or where) you're citing "nerd" from or if it even matters, because it is not like there are single sources and definitions for words.

Because YOU mentioned nerd. And I can't pull shit from a dictionary now? WTF?!

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If your point was to say you don't see what I'm saying any where in "the definition" (we talkin' about THE DEFINITION of NERD? what's that?), then I don't see what I was saying any where in your "the definition" of nerd.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Clodunk2 votes

You are being a nerd.

Defined by google,
" A single-minded expert in a particular technical field"

Yeah that could be called harassment, congrats.

I'm not your mother. Be careful when you're on the internet.

I explained your ONE definition of a word from one source isn't all, only, and eternal.

Clodunk3 votes

It was all about the definition of the word that YOU brought up.

z14GaKI7TO3 votes

Yeah so is your account.

Dominick Destine2 votes

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Yeah so is your account.

OHHHHH burn.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

{quoted}

I'm just trying to have a good time.

Calling someone a "nerd" is an acronym for settle down, relax, we can still win, buddy.


Dictionary.com Acronym

noun 1. a word formed from the initial letters or groups of letters of words in a set phrase or series of words and pronounced as a separate word, as Wac from Women's Army Corps, OPEC from Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, or loran from long-range navigation.

a set of initials representing a name, organization, or the like, with each letter pronounced separately; an initialism. 3. an acrostic. verb (used with object) 4. to make an acronym of: The committee's name has been acronymed MIKE.

So uh... Yeah... Anyways... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc

Catastrop3 votes

Dude, unless you're friends with the person, calling them a nerd is always an insult. Doesn't matter what you might have been trying to say, it's an insult. In all instances of this word being said, it's toxic, there's no other way to look at it.

Penns2 votes

Idk about you but when I write/read "cya nerds", I take/mean it in a funnny and sarcastic way.

Envy Sin2 votes

To everyone who thinks they should only show your chat logs.

Why was the full game log, EVERYONES scores/builds. EVERYTHING in the tribunal? (hell even the players that reported are listed there, Or it was a number can't remember)

I'll tell you... It was to get context. many things look bad without context. (I mean seriously who doesn't know this?)

http://joel.is/why-context-is-so-important/

If someone sits their a says something like "You're a F****** G** A** N***** F****** NOOB" (lulz at * being used for bold) Or walks into the other team 1v5 and i say "Moron" or "Idiot" in response to this i Garentee i would not have been punished in the old tribunal, In fact many MANY times i'v laughed at the fools who think that after their racial slurs and homophobic remarks think they can get other people banned.

Sadly however it's now all automated.

i could sit here and show examples of why context should be used all day, But in the end only a few will understand the why.

Clodunk1 votes

This was my point.

It far too automated now. Context is ignored and people don't understand why it is important.

FrankerX2 votes

i dont get why ppl want "full chat logs" all the time. so your other mate called you a 'insert insult here' and you flamed back and now? so because he broke the rules this allows you to break them aswell and get away with it? uhm hello kindergarten did you lose one of your kids? i think they are ruining my chat experience right now in a game of League.

Dominick Destine2 votes

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

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