#freeadellaideskyhart

Kitten Barrage·Nov 16, 2016·7 votes·2,138 views

FREE ADELLAIDESKYHART

41 Comments

eldurisNov 17, 20168 votes

You can't queue for a role and then not play that role. It's unfair to your team and you can be banned for it. Double jungle is not support. Roaming jungle is not support.

Kitten BarrageNov 17, 20164 votes

He is helping the jungle and his teammates regardless.

eldurisNov 17, 20166 votes

You might think so, but I doubt the AD carries he plays with do.

Kitten BarrageNov 17, 20163 votes

Because theyre too focused on him playing singed support with ghost and smite

eldurisNov 17, 20166 votes

Or maybe they'd prefer to play their ranked games with a support that helps the ADC in the early stages of the laning phase. Maybe they'd prefer to play with someone who wants to communicate with the team and listen to their protests instead of going off and doing whatever.

Win rate doesn't matter. A toxic player can have a 75% win rate, but if they're raging in all chat they will be banned. A scripter could have a 90% win rate, but if they're cheating, they will be banned.

Kitten BarrageNov 17, 20162 votes

But he's not cheating or raging and not even trolling, he is playing what he enjoys and is being punished for it! Don't be so stubborn [zombie-brand-mindblown] }

eldurisNov 17, 20165 votes

The people he plays with think the behavior he's exhibiting is unacceptable. He's not raging or cheating, no, but that's not all there is to communication.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 17, 20162 votes

when are you punished for not talking to your team? arent there tons of post of people saying use the mute button and ignore team and play ?

eldurisNov 17, 20164 votes

When you want to use a strategy that nobody is familiar with and leaves one of your laners at a disadvantage. You either communicate with your team and clear it through them, or you don't, do it anyway, and get labeled as a troll. He's doing the latter and being reported for it. The people he's playing with don't like this and he's not affording his team the opportunity to object.

Glory ln Death had this to say about the issue:

[{quoted}](name=Glory ln Death,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=NehHHphd,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-11-16T20:52:24.119+0000)

The issue comes down to:

Does one person have to conform, or do 4 people have to conform?

When you want to play the game in a drastically different way, you need your team's support or it won't work. That is much more likely to happen if you are playing with friends.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 17, 20162 votes

ok based on what you said im gonna report every one of my teammates for playing champs i dont like

as trolls because they are impacting me negatively

regardless of their win rate on their champ and strategy

eldurisNov 17, 20166 votes

Fine, report as often as you'd like. Though I'd like to advise that falsely reporting can lead to lower report weight and can sometimes lead to restrictions against your own account. But sure, the feature is there so use it if you feel the need.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 17, 20161 votes

and he was falsely reported as a troll , unwilling to communicate etc ... but it gets him threaten with a perma ban

there is a clear difference of what he was doing and not being a toxic person/player and to what a person like tyler1 did who RUINED GAMES , verbally abusive and so on...

but we are gonna say the support singed guy is perma ban worthy? cuz he hurt his team?

that would be comparable to the incarceration of nelson mandela saying he was as bad for society as charles manson

RavenhaleNov 17, 20161 votes

I just watched a video from his channel where he communicated his intent after champion select.

Kind of hard to build your team around a different strategy after minions have spawned.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 17, 20161 votes

in this video he post it in champ select

RavenhaleNov 17, 20161 votes

Congratulations. He conformed to the rules in that game. In this other game he didn't.

He's a good player. He's got it posted on his channel that he's looking for a Duo for the Bot Lane, since that is the most impacted by his play style.

Kitten BarrageNov 17, 20161 votes

Elduris and MrFawknSunshine keep debating i just made popcorn '~'

AlohaTubeNov 18, 20161 votes

You should really do some research before Puting up fake statments. Skyhart does comunicate with the team and have pictures of it. people that have played with him can also confirme. And a adc that can't survive for 6 minutes on his own should not play adc.

BeatzBoyFTWNov 17, 20161 votes

Stealing his jungler's cs & forcing his ADC to solo-bot doesn't seem like it.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 17, 20163 votes

support isnt the adc support its the team support.. as long as you help your team and legit try to win regardless of the strategy its not bannable or punishable

eldurisNov 17, 20166 votes

Pigeonholing one of your teammates to play 1v2 in a typical 2v2 lane every game does not sound fair to me. If you want to play roaming singed support, make sure your team is OK with it before deciding on what to do. From my understanding, he was banned for not communicating that to his team and forcing his ADC into a bad lane.

Off meta isn't punishable, you're right. But, especially in ranked, you need to make sure your team accepts this before you make a decision. And no, copy-pasting a paragraph and locking in is not communication.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 17, 20162 votes

not correct though there is proof that he did for a FACT explain to his team in champ select what he was doing... and you act as if he didnt go back to bot and support the adc..

he invaded enemy jungle to steal their starting buff ( putting his jungler ahead ) and then would gank top or mid depending on what was ideal and then went back to bot lane and supported

3rd if you are in a solo lane vs 2 and you know you are gonna be that way and play safe you get 100% of the experience in lane where the duo lane is splitting the EXP in lane and the solo player will out level them as long as you dont die and you stay relative close in cs

PLAYING OFF META IS NOT BAN-ABLE

http://imgur.com/qE2luk5

if it wasnt for off meta champs in roles we wouldnt have some of the so called meta picks now such as adc top, damage carry mage bot support like

and all the other so called no typical off meta picks through out the game that are now common place

he didnt troll. he told his team what he was doing.. he helped his entire team... and he won 53% of his games in rank with over 2000 games played as Singed

eldurisNov 17, 20166 votes

I already agreed that off-meta isn't punishable so I'm not sure why you're still trying to argue that with me. I play off-meta champs in support sometimes, most of my games this season were on Vel'Koz (debatable but I consider it off-meta).

The difference is I don't leave my ADC alone for the first 5-7 minutes of the game. I communicate with my team throughout pick and ban and if my AD doesn't want Vel, I don't play Vel.

The issue is not the pick or the strat. The issue is the lack of communication and coordination and doing whatever he wants despite his team's protests.

Not everyone that plays ranked uses third party sites to look up stats. Not everyone knows he's successful with this strategy (irrelevant but it seems to be a point you bring up frequently.) Not everyone is OK with not laning with a support for the full game. And clearly enough people don't like it that he was banned for it. The community determines what kind of behavior is acceptable and we have determined, collectively, that this is not.

My advice to him, or to any others that want to copy him, is to find some friends to play with who understand what you want to do in game. Forcing strangers you've never met to play around a strategy you've never heard of can be unsettling, especially in ranked where people take the game more seriously.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 17, 20161 votes

did you not see the video of him typing out a paragraph in champ select ?

eldurisNov 17, 20165 votes

He tells his team what he's going to do, he doesn't ask "hey is it OK if I play roaming singed jungle support?" Instead, he types:

I take smite to invade the enemy jungle level 1 and also to take jungle camps throughout the game.

after laning phase i'm just going to be split pushing, and sometimes the enemy team will chase me and I might die. Ideally you guys can utilize this distraction to get objectives (especially baron)

Assuming he takes the time to type all that every game instead of pasting it, that is. Communication is a 2-way street and I don't see how this leaves the door open for anyone to object.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 17, 20161 votes

did you ask it was ok to play velkoz support?

when do we have to ask teammates for the champs we want to play?

they are informed prior to the game... if they didnt want to be part of it they have an option of dodging the game

if they think its an auto loss and he is a troll losing 3 lp is better then 20 right?

and you know how many times i wish i never play with a kalista adc ? as a support main? but they pick who they want to play and i pick what i want to play.

and it would be different if he was trolling , intentionally feeding "running it down mid" etc but he didnt he had a positive win rate with over 2000 games played... if he was trolling or harming his team he wouldnt of climbed to plat as a troll unless he is a challenger smurf who is trolling " low elo "

eldurisNov 17, 20164 votes

{quoted} The difference is I don't leave my ADC alone for the first 5-7 minutes of the game. I communicate with my team throughout pick and ban and if my AD doesn't want Vel, I don't play Vel.

Yes.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 17, 20161 votes

you are in the minority...

if i wanna play nasus support and max W and E ill do so and i have and won with it...

or ziggs support done it and won

gnar adc won with it

and so on

eldurisNov 17, 20164 votes

When you play Nasus support, do you take smite and ghost and run around the jungle for the first 5 minutes of the game? What about Ziggs or Gnar?

Honestly, I don't see this discussion going any further. You don't seem willing to change your mind on this issue, so I'm going to stop here.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 17, 20161 votes

because he didnt hurt his team... he has a win rate over 50% in RANK

he isnt a troll if he is trying to win

and you wont change my mind at all.. and neither will riot

and they have backed off on their stances on it and they are trying to enforce meta and strategy of the game on a game that is based on strategies

where it comes to champ pick/ lane match ups/ team comps/ items/ rotations etc

President Swa1nNov 17, 20162 votes

Now you're starting to sound like one of those banned flamers.

"Who cares if I flame, I carry all my games?"

SURPRISE: people care about more than just winning.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 17, 20161 votes

MrFawknSunshine (NA) about 6 hours ago in > About the banning of AdellaideSkyhart but that post from RIOT is after the fact they threaten to perma ban his account for playing the way he wanted... while still winning games and not trolling/feeding being toxic... he did not harm the community or its player base as people have stated and in the same video that this email is quoted shows him posting a paragraph in champ selection informing his team his plan/strategy of the game.

i would much rather play with a player like him win or lose then to ever play with a player like tyler 1 even if he is 20-0 on draven

President Swa1nNov 18, 20161 votes

The issue is that his paragraph long explanation did not offer his teammates a choice. Going duo jungle is a big thing. The whole team needs to be on board. The fact that his team often didn't approve of what he wanted to play and he still went ahead and did it is why he was banned. This would not normally be an issue with a meta pick or a non meta pick. It is the fact that he played an off meta ROLE, which changes the overlook of the whole game, that requires his team to approve.

TyrekGoldenspearNov 18, 20161 votes

he has a win rate over 50% in RANK

No.

He had a over 50% winrate when he played SInged Top.

When he switched to support his winrate with those support games specifically went down to around 30%

Kei143Nov 17, 20162 votes

hes not permabanned, there is nothing to free him for.

Kitten BarrageNov 17, 20162 votes

I mean free him from the possibility of getting perma banned

Annie th DrkChldNov 17, 20162 votes

HOLD on WAIT up

Annie top used to be really troll remember

ive been sht talked about going NUNU (An actual jungler) before his buff and counter jungling and ganking and doing a good job but because the enemy jungler ganked more (hardly farmed) they said i was worthless

I played annie support before she was popular and people said to take a real support

I played annie top after seeing annie bot play it and my team raged at me before the game even started

I even jungled annie a few times carried and team quicky goes from reporting u you fken sht head to gj annie (gg and not reporting) where the fk is the justice there

Annie summoner 6 summoner 1

A BagelleNov 17, 20161 votes

Technically in the rules riot said its not really a bannable offence to do something off meta unless they troll and if he trolled then its a problemo.

Kitten BarrageNov 17, 20161 votes

Yeah and he didn't troll but he is still getting reported for trolling Singed item 3070

Maru th UndrtkrNov 17, 20161 votes

Then riot should limit ur choices if u get the support role and perma lock the shop till u buy sight stone and make it to where u cant walk away from ur adc past a certain distance till level 8 and require a request before making any decision so ur adc can vote to allow it or not.