This game is garbage
fck riot they banned my account for cursing at somebody that was being toxic to me first but they dont care right ? fuck you riot
fck riot they banned my account for cursing at somebody that was being toxic to me first but they dont care right ? fuck you riot
This is your TENTH penalty.
You have had: 5x10-game chat restrictions 2x25-game chat restrictions 2x14-day bans and finally this perma ban.
5 games were given as evidence of your behavior in this recent ban .. it was not from 'cursing at somebody that was being toxic first'.
You behavior is not welcome in this community. You have had numerous warnings about your behavior, but have not changed it. If not tolerating this type of behavior makes a garbage game .. I only want to play garbage games.
lo,l malicious, is just reading off the salty people in PB&moderation a habit of yours just like mine?
Good god your roasts are savage
Out of curiosity, do I ever get reported for misbehavior? I try to rein it in, but sometimes we all have bad games, you know ^^;
Out of curiosity, do I ever get reported for misbehavior? I try to rein it in, but sometimes we all have bad games, you know ^^;
I think one has to display pretty consistently toxic behavior to get punished, because I'm saltier than the dead sea in some games, and I haven't gotten so much as a warning in my years of playing.
Being salty is okay on the rare occasion. Riot knows people have bad days from time to time, so give you a free pass. So yeah, only as you said, consistant behavioral problems are when bans and punishments start to be seen, or excessive negaticity (racism/homophobia/etc.) during a single game.
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This is your TENTH penalty.
You have had: 5x10-game chat restrictions 2x25-game chat restrictions 2x14-day bans and finally this perma ban.
5 games were given as evidence of your behavior in this recent ban .. it was not from 'cursing at somebody that was being toxic first'.
You behavior is not welcome in this community. You have had numerous warnings about your behavior, but have not changed it. If not tolerating this type of behavior makes a garbage game .. I only want to play garbage games.
stuff like this is why you're my favorite Rioter
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This is your TENTH penalty.
You have had: 5x10-game chat restrictions 2x25-game chat restrictions 2x14-day bans and finally this perma ban.
5 games were given as evidence of your behavior in this recent ban .. it was not from 'cursing at somebody that was being toxic first'.
You behavior is not welcome in this community. You have had numerous warnings about your behavior, but have not changed it. If not tolerating this type of behavior makes a garbage game .. I only want to play garbage games.
That sucks. Only wanting to play games based on other peoples language. You missed out on soooooo many great games.
I'm disappointed in you, but not surprised. Working in the "punishment" industry tends to make people behave aggressively.
That sucks. Only wanting to play games based on other peoples language. You missed out on soooooo many great games.
Language is fine. We don't penalize people for swearing, or using bad language.
I work on video games. I play a lot of games. If you think it is acceptable to harass people online, and spew off hate speech, you are in an incredible minority.
What I´m surprised with is the fact that he got so many chances. Isn´t it normally that you get 1-2 chat restrictions penalty, then 1x 14 day ban and then perma ban? Except if his escalation phase dropped because he had breaks between his punishments where he was not toxic. But honestly I don´t believe that he had such toxic free breaks.
Except if his escalation phase dropped because he had breaks between his punishments where he was not toxic.
This was the case here. It is possible for players to de-escalate in the penalty system by not exhibiting negative behavior (don't be a jerk). This is a case where the player constantly ping-pong'ed between neutral and negative behavior.
would you agree the saying "getting banned means you are a bad sport"?
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This was the case here. It is possible for players to de-escalate in the penalty system by not exhibiting negative behavior (don't be a jerk). This is a case where the player constantly ping-pong'ed between neutral and negative behavior.
Hey Riot just wanna throw something out there. I was playing
support with a
adn I notice 100% he was new to
not the game itself, it felt like he couldn't do anything against an
he gave up based on his play, which i had no choice but to avenge my jungler
before the 5min mark with the score still being 2-10 with my only 2 kills for the team because of avenging them, my team and enemy team just kept dissing me. Even if we try to be friendly and tell other people the truth about ourselves we just get spat on. We all have an maturity point limit (mental point limit) to which when its reaches MAX **you have lost focus. **, so really can 9 players report you for trying to be friendly, but losing focus before muting them, like i have tipping point so, i just don't like standing idling getting spat on, where i can't defend myself probably without saying/typing something i regret.
_The All chat system needs to be remove by opinion _
Nah in game chat as a whole should be removed and just add pre set lines you can choose from in game
Not only can you turn off All Chat, but it defaults to off when you start a new account.
I never turned it on. I see no reason to chat with your opponents during the game. I'll compliment good play at the end game screen.
Why not mute all chat?
I'm fine with being in the minority. I care about being correct. "Correct" is a minority by nature. Life isn't a popularity contest.
This is a case where the player constantly ping-pong'ed between neutral and negative behavior.
The above quote is your system in a nutshell. You don't do shit to encourage positive behavior. Your system doesn't even recognize positive behavior.
You are out on a self righteous witch hunt. Encouraged by masses of hysterical fools.
A lot of correct decisions are made by the majority. Driving on the correct side of the road, for example. Being decently polite to those around you is another correct option that the majority have no troubles with.
For example, a majority of people downvote my post in which i said we should tolerate trolls as even mosquito has its purpose. And it is wrong to tolerate trolls?
You misunderstood.
"Correct" is always a minority. This is because "incorrect" has limitless possibilities. Consider a math problem:
1 + 1 = ?
There is only one correct answer. There are infinite incorrect answers.
You are narrowing the possible answers down by insisting on a specific form of answer on top of requiring a correct statement.
Otherwise there are infinitely many equivalent correct statements to be made about the variable ?: 1+1=? ?=2 ? is the smallest prime etc.
And if you don't focus too hard on statements about a specific variable in a specific context, it is fairly obvious that there are as many correct statements as there are incorrect statements, because you can simply negate any given statement, and thus create an incorrect statement from a correct one and vice versa.
Edit to further show how forcing a specific form makes the amount of (in)correct possibilities entirely arbitrary: If Riot had a list of all the things you are allowed, you could obviously say that there is only one type of behaviour that isn't allowed: Doing something that's not on the list. That's one incorrect way to behave, compared to a possibly even infinite list of things you are allowed to do.
You are narrowing the possible answers down by insisting on a specific form of answer on top of requiring a correct statement.
The important part is, narrowing the possible answers down by requiring a correct statement.
Because of existance, the answer is narrowed.
Existance and nothingness are equal until you narrow. The moment you narrow, nothingness becomes greater.
There is a reason I "narrow" the possible answers. I am looking for something specific (correctness). Philosophy is not very helpful in this situation. Say I want a cup of water. I can ask for "not a ham sandwhich". That is technically correct, but barely increases my chances of getting water.
The important part is, narrowing the possible answers down by requiring a correct statement.
Yet in this very sentence you implicitely already narrowed it down to "possible answers to an arbitrarily formulated problem, that themselves also have to be formulated in an arbitrarily predefined way".
Given the equation 1+1=x you can derive an infinite amount of possible equations, all of which are correct. If the important thing was to narrow it down to correctness, then you'd have to accept the statement "? is the smallest prime" as an answer. Or ?*20=40. All of these directly contradict your point about there only being "one correct answer".
And you are the person that started with the philosophy by claiming "correct" is always in the minority, despite the fact that very very obviously there are as many incorrect statements as correct statements.
Your analogy of a cup of water is a very nice example of what you are doing, even with your 1+1=? problem. Once again you are looking for something very specific, before even considering the correctness of anything. Just that in this case you go further than just predefining the kind of answer you want to have, but in fact you have already predefined the entire answer. You are not looking for anything "correct"; you are looking for something specific.
And if your point is that specific is in the minority, well, congratulations, that's the case by definition. But correct is not specific, because as I mentioned before, there are as many correct statements as there are incorrect ones. Correct is on an equal footing with incorrect.
I'm fine with being in the minority. I care about being correct. "Correct" is a minority by nature. Life isn't a popularity contest.
Well in that case the majority of people in the world today believe that spewing hate speech is unacceptable and that punishing people who exhibit that kind of behavior is correct.
The above quote is your system in a nutshell. You don't do shit to encourage positive behavior. Your system doesn't even recognize positive behavior.
I disagree. Players who behave properly and in a mature and respectful manner get rewarded with mystery skins/summoner icons, ranked rewards (for those who play ranked), access to Hextech Crafting and get to keep their honor points and badges among other rewards/privileges. In fact I'd say that someone whose constantly ping-ponging between neutral and negative is more of a problem on the players end rather than on the systems end.
You are out on a self righteous witch hunt. Encouraged by masses of hysterical fools.
The OP claimed that LoL was garbage because they got banned for cursing at somebody. Tantram provided info that proved otherwise. He's basically saying to the OP "Look, we both know that you've been punished multiple times for reasons that were not cursing at a toxic person. Lying isn't gonna get you anywhere here". Tantram usually only calls out players who know that they have a fairly lengthy punishment history and yet still make claims like that. To me that's not so much witch-hunting as it is just calling those players out on their behavior whenever they try to lie to gain sympathy from other like-minded players.
If someone call me stupid I cannot wish he got run over by a truck? "You are stupid" is more affirmative than "I wish you ..." right? Cuz we both know what I wish would most likely not happen but when he says "you are" he is being definitive.
They shouldn't have to hand you a cookie to be nice. It comes off like you're saying that since they ban for people being jerks that they should reward for being nice and that doesn't make sense. As it stands now, their policy is: Follow the summoners code and youll get rewards that they give out. Don't, and you're not welcome to play. Seems fine to me.
They shouldn't have to hand you a cookie to be nice.
If there is no benefit to being nice, why would you do it?
Also, bribery works.
As it stands now, their policy is: Follow the summoners code and youll get rewards that they give out. Don't, and you're not welcome to play.
Try to imagine life from the perspective of people that are not "welcome to play".
They do bribe everyone. It's, Follow the rules and you get rewards. Thats the bribe.
I do not need to imagine life from their perspective because i don't get myself banned. Riot isn't telling everyone they need to be a SJW, a paragon, or even a role model. Just dont be a dick. It's not difficult. It's not complicated. It's not confusing.
They do bribe everyone. It's, Follow the rules and you get rewards. Thats the bribe.
Riot is not rewarding the correct people and the reward isn't good enough. Bribery is an art.
I do not need to imagine life from their perspective because i don't get myself banned.
That is exactly why you need to imagine. You have no personal experience. Whether you like it or not, you are not the only personality. There are angry people. There are sad people. There are happy people. There are indifferent people. There are short people. There are tall people. The common theme though? They are people. Not everyone is the same as you.
Just dont be a dick. It's not difficult. It's not complicated. It's not confusing.
Banning someone because they said something you don't agree with is a dick move.
It is a dick move because the opposite side wouldn't like it either. Banning someone because they said something you agree with is a dick move.
It is a dick move because the neutral side wouldn't like it either. Banning someone because they did not say anything is a dick move.
This makes Riot at best a hypocrite. At worst malicious. Most assuredly a dick.
That out of the way, dicks are people too. It is very difficult for a dick to "just don't be a dick".
A video game is not the place to effect change in personality. No matter what the intent, video games are for entertainment and not personality training.
Dicks are people to but Riot doesn't want them in the community. Its a very simple concept. Obviously there are a lot of different types of people. People who wont get banned for saying bad words. Its the intent of those words that get them banned. It is Riot's game and they set rules for everyone to follow. Theyre not some public company accepting taxpayer dollars, required to be all inclusive. It's their right to say who is or isn't welcome. They don't hide their intentions. I don't see any hypocrisy or malicious intent...
Dicks are people to but Riot doesn't want them in the community. Its a very simple concept.
Jews are people too but Nazi doesn't want them in the community. It's a very simple concept.
Riot is being a dick. People don't like dicks. Riot doesn't even like dicks.
I don't see any hypocrisy or malicious intent...
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Its the intent of those words that get them banned.
Fiction. Type out some racial slurs in game. Then come back here and tell me intent matters.
Comparing toxic people nobody wants around to the Nazis not "liking" jews is a bit of a joke. The game is rated T for teen. Racial slurs and hate speech are not acceptable under that rating. Its not a difficult concept. Either you're trolling or you're clueless.
Jews are people too but Nazi doesn't want them in the community. It's a very simple concept.
Riot is being a dick. People don't like dicks. Riot doesn't even like dicks.
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Fiction. Type out some racial slurs in game. Then come back here and tell me intent matters.
WHOOP Godwin. You have proven yourself to be a joke. What shred of credibility you had is gone.
The benefit of being nice is to earn your teammate's respect and not make them tilt as easy.
The benefit of being nice is to earn your teammate's respect and not make them tilt as easy.
I'm glad some one is saying it. Being nice takes effort. Nice people earn. Shout out to all the nice people who know what work is.
It's too bad you aren't one of those people. Then you would still have your account.
Sick burn. What did you win?
If there is no benefit to being nice, why would you do it?
I dunno, because I don't want to deal with the consequences of not being nice? Because I'm a nice person and it's in my nature? Basic human decency? I'm sure you could come up with a couple reasons if you really tried.
Try to imagine life from the perspective of people that are not "welcome to play".
Okay. "I'm not welcome to play League of Legends. I guess I should change my behavior or play something else. Possibly both." Wow. What a struggle those people must face.
I dunno, because I don't want to deal with the consequences of not being nice? Because I'm a nice person and it's in my nature? Basic human decency?
All of those have benefits. I said :
**If there is no benefit **to being nice, why would you do it?
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Okay. "I'm not welcome to play League of Legends. I guess I should change my behavior or play something else. Possibly both." Wow. What a struggle those people must face.
Your government funds anger management classes. You should call your governor and explain this brilliant system you have for anger.
You are too damn sensitive. Words can't hurt you. Stop acting like they can. I suggest learning how to "laugh it off".
Okay. You got me. But since there apparently are benefits to being nice, why would you ask a pointless, hypothetical question?
You should call your governor and explain this brilliant system you have for anger.
You mean the one where people take an objective look at their lives and determine that not being able to play a video game doesn't qualify as a life defining adversity? I don't think he wants to hear that.
People having problems with anger doesn't mean they get to act out inappropriately. If you are being told that your behavior isn't acceptable for a certain venue, the solution isn't to complain about the standards of the venue, it's to adjust your own behavior. Because that's how personal responsibility works. You don't get to control everyone else; you control yourself. It is not the responsibility of everyone else to cope with your problems. If you have issues controlling your behavior, then you need to learn to adjust and not put yourself in situations that will exacerbate your issues.
You are too damn sensitive. Words can't hurt you. Stop acting like they can.
That would be a great point if all this were just about people getting their feelings hurt. But it isn't. I suggest that you realize that not everything is okay just because, "Nobody got hurt". People talking loudly in a crowded theater isn't hurting anyone; it's still not acceptable, and it can totally get you removed. Being a loud, obnoxious drunk at a bar isn't causing physical harm to anyone, but it will still get you kicked out if you're bothering all the other patrons. The drug addict passed out in the library isn't hurting anyone. He's going to be asked to leave. Ever try to go to a nice restaurant without a shirt? Is getting hurt by your lack of upper body apparel? No, but, you aren't going to be allowed to dine there. There are plenty of things that aren't hurting anyone that still aren't okay. And it's not unreasonable for someone that is being extremely disruptive to be told to leave and not return.
Okay. You got me. But since there apparently are benefits to being nice, why would you ask a pointless, hypothetical question?
The question has a purpose in it's original context. It appears you have interrupted an existing conversation.
adjust your own behavior
The point I was trying to make, that this is not as easy as your words imply it is. Do some research into anger management. It is not an instant process. It takes time and considerable effort to change habitual human behavior. Here I am once again though, asking you to think about some one other than yourself.
And it's not unreasonable for someone that is being extremely disruptive to be told to leave and not return.
Actually, that is the very definition of being unreasonable. That quote pretty much sums up your feelings. You think it is ok to be disrespectful towards any one that was disrespectful first. In todays society, you are probably going to be praised for those actions. However, there are people trying to hold themselves to higher standards. They try to be respectful to everyone, no exceptions.
The point I was trying to make, that this is not as easy as your words imply it is. Do some research into anger management. It is not an instant process. It takes time and considerable effort to change habitual human behavior.
Here's the thing: I know it's not easy. But something being difficult isn't a good excuse for not doing it. And it is your responsibility to deal with your problems. It is not the responsibility of everyone else to have to just put up with you and your problems because change is hard. Thinking that everyone else should change their expectations to meet your standard of behavior is unreasonable, self-centered, and narcissistic.
Here I am once again though, asking you to think about some one other than yourself.
Oh, the irony.
You think that I have no empathy for people with emotional or psychological problems, but I most certainly do. Mostly because I've had to deal with my own issues. But I'm also realistic about what having emotional and psychological problems implies. Having problems doesn't make you special, and it doesn't mean you get your own special set of rules. And some times it means you can't do things that people without your issues can. If it's not acceptable for a person without issues to act a certain way, it's not acceptable for a person issues either. Alcoholics don't get a free pass to drink and drive, compulsive thieves don't get a free pass for stealing, and people with anger management issues don't get to explode at everyone without there being any consequences.
Actually, that is the very definition of being unreasonable.
How so? Holding people to a common standard is unreasonable?
You think it is ok to be disrespectful towards any one that was disrespectful first.
Again, how is it disrespectful? Is enforcing laws disrespectful? Am I being disrespectful towards my children if I have to punish them for breaking the rules in our house? You seem to have confused enforcing rules with disrespect. Which really makes me question if you understand how to show others respect yourself.
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Here's the thing: I know it's not easy. But something being difficult isn't a good excuse for not doing it. And it is your responsibility to deal with your problems. It is not the responsibility of everyone else to have to just put up with you and your problems because change is hard. Thinking that everyone else should change their expectations to meet your standard of behavior is unreasonable, self-centered, and narcissistic.
What a load of crap. I'm not interested in proving everything you just said was wrong.
Oh, the irony.
You think that I have no empathy for people with emotional or psychological problems, but I most certainly do. Mostly because I've had to deal with my own issues. But I'm also realistic about what having emotional and psychological problems implies. Having problems doesn't make you special, and it doesn't mean you get your own special set of rules. And some times it means you can't do things that people without your issues can. If it's not acceptable for a person without issues to act a certain way, it's not acceptable for a person issues either. Alcoholics don't get a free pass to drink and drive, compulsive thieves don't get a free pass for stealing, and people with anger management issues don't get to explode at everyone without there being any consequences.
But people with tourettes don't have to follow the rules right? They have problems that give them special snow flake rules. You are a hypocrite. Learn to love every god damn person.
How so? Holding people to a common standard is unreasonable?
Being reasonable means you are considerate to new ideas. There is no reasoning with a ban once it has been issued.
Again, how is it disrespectful? Is enforcing laws disrespectful? Am I being disrespectful towards my children if I have to punish them for breaking the rules in our house? You seem to have confused enforcing rules with disrespect. Which really makes me question if you understand how to show others respect yourself.
Anytime you use the word "enforce" there is a 99% chance it is disrespectful. Punishment is always disrespectful.
Love is always respectful. I suggest trying it out. I won't ban you when you fail. So keep trying.
What a load of crap. I'm not interested in proving everything you just said was wrong.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. You totally could if you wanted to, you just don't feel like it. Gotcha.
But people with tourettes don't have to follow the rules right? They have problems that give them special snow flake rules. You are a hypocrite. Learn to love every god damn person.
Now you're just making stuff up. Of course they still have to follow the rules. And as someone that's actually been friends with someone with Tourette syndrome, I'm going to guess you don't actually know much about it. And while yes, I am a hypocrite (and I'm surprisingly okay with it), how am I possibly being hypocritical in this situation?
Anytime you use the word "enforce" there is a 99% chance it is disrespectful. Punishment is always disrespectful.
Perhaps then you should explain then how you would "respectfully" deal with someone that refuses to follow the rules?
Love is always respectful.
It's also a shitty platitude.
Btw, your anger is starting to show.
The fuck they do.
Well, as I specifically remember getting in trouble in school with my buddy Charlie, who by the way had Tourette's, I think they may. To be fair, I'm pretty sure you're referring to the exceptionally rare extreme cases (I'd also wager you didn't know Tourette's is spectrum disorder and those cases are as extreme as they get, but that's really neither here nor there) But you know what happens when you have Tourette's and keep saying "bomb" on an airplane? They kick you off. If you're at a theater and you're being disruptive they can remove you, or have you watch from the sound booth where no one else can hear you. I promise you, even people with Tourette Syndrome don't get a free pass.
They get special medical treatment.
Not a rule.
They get special government treatment.
What special treatment exactly is that? Unless the special treatment is that they are allowed to break established laws, it doesn't count.
I bet you they even get special treatment from random people.
If by special treatment you mean "made fun of a lot", I guess you're right. But, you have to be more specific about what you mean. Like, if you know someone has an extreme case of Tourette's are you as an individual going to be offended or insulted if they keep yelling "ASSHOLE!"? Probably not, but that again, isn't a rule. It's a personal choice.
Doesn't have to be Tourettes. There are more examples.
Then perhaps you should give some examples. And I don't mean people getting help for their disabilities. I mean people with disabilities being allowed to break laws or rules because of their disability.
I get it, you don't want to be mean to "disabled" people. Good for you. Try not being mean to "toxic" people.
I'm not being mean to anyone. If you some how think me being okay with someone facing consequences of their actions is mean, you have a lot of growing up to do.
Be loving. Listen to them. Help them. Care about them.
No seriously. I want a concrete answer on how you would handle someone that keeps breaking rules. Lets say you are a teacher and I am a student that keeps throwing things across the classroom. What are you going to do about it? You're just going to keep letting me disrupt class and interrupt the learning process for all your other students? Let's say I'm an employee who keeps stealing tools and materials from your company. What do you do?
Depending on who you talk to, it is a law of nature.
Depending on who you talk to, the world is flat.
Love is scientifically and religiously backed.
In what sense is it backed? That it's a good thing? Sure. I don't think anyone is going to argue that it's not. That loving everyone is a good thing? Again, sure. That it fixes all problems or is a replacement for rules and punishment? That I'm going to have to see some sources on.
Also, I'd point out religion is pretty big on punishment and consequences for one's actions. Ever heard of Hell? Yeah, and you thought not being allowed to play a video game was harsh.
And why don't you love me? I assume you don't because you've repeatedly made personal attacks against me: calling me overly sensitive, implying that I don't love people, that I'm disrespectful and don't care about anyone other than myself. I thought we were supposed to love everyone? Why is it okay for you to be disrespectful towards me? Are you above the rules?
So in your opinion it is ok that we dont say or do anything when ppl call us stupid? Its like a theif steal from you and yet you dont want his hand cut off lol. It just doesnt make sense
I run into hundreds of these people yearly (sometimes the same person 4 or more times) spewing toxicity out of their mouths but they don't seem to get punished for their behavior, why is this?
Bull. I call straight bull. Ive been reported so many times just because i cuss alot. That apparently automatically makes me toxic? Yeah i cuss alot,it DOES NOT make me toxic but according to the tribunal it does.
I will not sit here and say i didnt deserve a few of my reports that i STARTED, ill own that. but ive had so many more that are just wrongfully submitted but yet they go through anyway. Every single game that i do badly in im automatically toxic and feeding and doing it on purpose. THATS what the community is now and Riot fails to see it. You guys keep looking the other way for god knows what reason and its getting old. None of these players that purposely flame and try to piss off other people are getting punished and its bullshit
The community is becoming more and more full of troll people who use their great game starts to fuck with people and it sucks. it makes me want to quit league.