Perm banned off second toxicity?

Eztate·Aug 3, 2017·0 votes·577 views

My name's Estate, I'm fairly new to the game was only silver 5 and I got into allot games where player's where either purposely being toxic or ruining the game experience for other players. Yea I was toxic, who hasn't been Here and there. I know to wrongs don't make a right and you shouldn't stoop to another players level and be toxic back. But the other day I was permanently banned for toxicity. After playing games where I report people for actually feeding like legit running it down mid. And they're still yet to get banned. I was wondering if there's any chance I could be unbanned with maybe a perm chat mute,

34 Comments

EunsonAug 3, 20172 votes

You should probably take the time to take some English courses now that you're banned from League.

EztateAug 3, 20171 votes

English isn't my main language, but thanks for trying to insult me.

EunsonAug 3, 20171 votes

I don't recall saying it was.

BeatzBoyFTWAug 3, 20172 votes

Then answer his question instead of AD Hominem-ing his language knowledge.

EunsonAug 3, 20171 votes

His account was permanently banned.

per·ma·nent ˈpərmənənt/Submit adjective 1. lasting or intended to last or remain unchanged indefinitely.

He already has the answer.

eldurisAug 3, 20174 votes

Shaming others based on their English literacy is not appropriate for Boards. If you don't have anything nice to say, you're better off not saying anything.

NinjaGuy69Aug 3, 20173 votes

Shaming others based on their English literacy is not appropriate for Boards.

Why not? If it's someone's first language and they can't speak it properly then that's embarrassing and they should be ashamed of themselves. I moved to the United States with my family when I was 4 years old but I can speak and type in English better than a lot of the people who post on these boards.

In this guy's case, it's not his first language so it isn't that big of a deal. But if you're going to be posting on the North American boards, then a certain level of English literacy should be expected for the sake of clear communication.

rework trundleAug 3, 20171 votes

He's learning another language, let him? When you started league were you bronze or plat?

NinjaGuy69Aug 3, 20172 votes

He's learning another language, let him?

If he wants to improve his English then that's fine. My point was about people using proper grammar and punctuation when posting on the boards.

When you started league were you bronze or plat?

Who knows? Were you bronze or plat?

rework trundleAug 3, 20171 votes

If he wants to improve his English then that's fine. My point was about people using proper grammar and punctuation when posting on the boards.

You still understood his point, there's no point in shaming him for that.

Who knows? Were you bronze or plat?

Bronze, because I was still new to the game. By practicing a lot, I eventually got better.

NinjaGuy69Aug 3, 20171 votes

You still understood his point, there's no point in shaming him for that.

I wasn't shaming him. I was just stating that people like him can stand to improve the way they type online and communicate with others. Go preach to someone else.

BeatzBoyFTWAug 3, 20171 votes

It's literally straight up shaming. I bet if he typed his first language, say Spanish for example, in this thread, you will still have a negative reaction to that anyway.

No need to be the big boy of Nazi Grammar police here. There's no such rule about not allowing broken English in Boards anyway.

NinjaGuy69Aug 3, 20171 votes

It's literally straight up shaming.

As I've stated previously in this thread, I was making a comment that he could seek to improve his grammar and punctuation so that fast readers like myself can better understand him. Don't be a toxic, self-righteous troll.

I bet if he typed his first language, say Spanish for example, in this thread, you will still have a negative reaction to that anyway.

If he was typing in a foreign language, I would have advised him to translate it to English using Google Translate or something which I've done before when others have posted on the NA boards in German or Dutch. You don't know me yet you're making these assumptions. Stop being toxic.

No need to be the big boy of Nazi Grammar police here. There's no such rule about not allowing broken English in Boards anyway.

I wasn't trying to make him do anything - it was merely a suggestion. Step off.

BeatzBoyFTWAug 3, 20171 votes

As I've stated previously in this thread, I was making a comment that he could seek to improve his grammar and punctuation so that fast readers like myself can better understand him.

Tbh, his words isn't THAT difficult to understand at all. Guy got punished, wonders if he could get perma-muted instead, simple as that. What's so hard to understand aside the spelling errors?

Don't be a toxic, self-righteous troll.

Looks like you won the Guinness World's Fastest Triggered award.

If he was typing in a foreign language, I would have advised him to translate it to English using Google Translate or something which I've done before when others have posted on the NA boards in German or Dutch.

It could help yes, but sometimes the language translation can still come up real shitty too. Also, not everyone lives their lives to be exactly as you do. All the guy want was a simple explanation on his situation, and suddenly his English is the worst part?

You don't know me yet you're making these assumptions. Stop being toxic.

Well you did constantly tried to refer the topic strictly to his English knowledge instead of answering OP's question. It's a chance that'll happen.

I wasn't trying to make him do anything - it was merely a suggestion. Step off.

Were you close in calling your mom on me or something....? (Yes, now this you may refer as "being toxic", jeez...)

NinjaGuy69Aug 3, 20171 votes

Were you close in calling your mom on me or something....? (Yes, now this you may refer as "being toxic", jeez...)

You're pathetic. You've done nothing but troll this entire thread but I bet you wouldn't talk like this to someone's face. You're too much of a coward for that.

BeatzBoyFTWAug 3, 20171 votes

Look again. Unlike you, at least I answered what OP asked, but go ahead & behold him your knowledge of English Language & hopefully you'd get a prize out of it.

eldurisAug 3, 20173 votes

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Why not?

Because it's harassment and harassment is against the rules. Full stop.

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a certain level of English literacy should be expected for the sake of clear communication.

Sure, but the OP writes English well enough for you to understand. Picking apart their grammar is pedantic and serves no purpose.

NinjaGuy69Aug 3, 20173 votes

Because its harassment and harassment is against the rules. Full stop.

The way that Eunson said it might be considered as rude but harassment? Don't patronize me. That's a toxic mentality that makes anything that anyone says "harassment" if it's somewhat aggressive in nature. Am I harassing you now because I'm calling you out on your toxic mentality? Give me a break. The guy was rude and could have stated his comment in a nicer way but he didn't use any profanity nor did he make any threats toward the OP. Your definition of harassment is too vague and that's a toxic mentality. There's your full stop.

Sure, but the OP writes English well enough for you to understand. Picking apart their grammar is pedantic and serves no purpose.

But it's not well enough for people like me who read quickly and skim over text every now and then. Especially when there's missing punctuation that makes it difficult to break up sentences into individual thoughts.

eldurisAug 3, 20172 votes

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The way that Eunson said it might be considered as rude but harassment? Don't patronize me.

That's not patronizing, that's explaining the rules. Patronizing would be if I were being "nice", but in a way that makes you think I'm not actually sincere. I figured you'd know that given you have a wider understanding of English than "most people here".

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That's a toxic mentality that makes anything that anyone says "harassment" if it's somewhat aggressive in nature.

Harassment has a broad definition by design. There are many different kinds of harassment, so yes, it is used as an umbrella term to describe intimidation or other aggressive and unwelcome comments.

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Am I harassing you now because I'm calling you out on your toxic mentality? Give me a break. The guy was rude and could have stated his comment in a nicer way but he didn't use any profanity nor did he make any threats toward the OP. Your definition of harassment is too vague and that's a toxic mentality. There's your full stop.

I don't feel you're harassing me, I feel you're just confused. You don't have to use profanity or make threats to harass someone. If you want to learn more about harassment, you can find some great resources in Wikipedia and the FindLaw website. I'll link them below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harassment

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/harassment.html

You also seem to use "toxic" to mean anything you find distasteful. "Toxic" has it's own meaning, it's a kind of negative behavior or thought process that easily spreads to others to make them feel the same. Here's a good resource you can use to understand the difference:

https://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2014/02/28/whats-a-toxic-person-how-do-you-deal-with-one/

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But it's not well enough for people like me who read quickly and skim over text every now and then. Especially when there's missing punctuation that makes it difficult to break up sentences into individual thoughts.

I skim and I understood the OP's post just fine. There's nothing wrong with their level of English literacy for the medium they're using. If it were a formal document, there may be an argument there, but picking on someone for not using a period on an internet forum is again, pedantic and unhelpful.

NinjaGuy69Aug 3, 20174 votes

I figured you'd know that given you have a wider understanding of English than "most people here".

I misspoke because I type rather quickly. Nice to see an authority figure being a troll about it.

Harassment has a broad definition by design. There are many different kinds of harassment, so yes, it is used as an umbrella term to describe intimidation or other aggressive and unwelcome comments.

The Google dictionary defines harassment as: "aggressive pressure or intimidation" but the poster who you claim "harassed" the OP wasn't doing either of those two things. I'm aware that harassment has a broad definition but it's a stretch to say that the poster was "harassing" the OP.

You also seem to use "toxic" to mean anything you find distasteful.

No. In this context, I used the term "toxic" to describe your mentality and thought process (which many people on these boards unfortunately seem to share with you). When people use the term "harassment" IRL, it is usually understood to mean that someone was being physically or verbally abusive, but to ascribe that term any aggressive comment that someone makes on these boards is wrong. That's where the toxic mentality lies in. It happens all the time in game too and leads to this Thought Policing that makes any sort of semi-aggressive comment "harassment".

This is why I don't smack talk anymore because I'm concerned that the Riot Thought Police will consider anything I say - even harmless banter - as "harassment" and punish me for it. The level of Thought Policing in this game and on the boards is almost CNN Blackmail Level: "Say anything that we don't like and we'll ban you".

I skim and I understood the OP's post just fine. There's nothing wrong with their level of English literacy for the medium they're using.

That's just your opinion.

eldurisAug 3, 20171 votes

If you have a concern regarding Boards moderation, please bring it to the Boards Discord. I'm not going to derail this thread any more than it already has been.

SavageConcordiaAug 3, 20171 votes

But if you're going to be posting on the North American boards, then a certain level of English literacy should be expected

North America includes areas that are predominately Spanish speaking (Central America). The largest city in North America is not part of an English speaking nation (Mexico City). But no, lets pretend a few grammatical errors make things incomprehensible and use that as a way to dismiss arguments.

NinjaGuy69Aug 3, 20171 votes

North America includes areas that are predominately Spanish speaking (Central America). The largest city in North America is not part of an English speaking nation (Mexico City).

And why does that matter? The majority players on the NA boards are most likely native English speakers. The fact of the matter is that LAN and LAS already have their own servers and they should have their own boards too because they speak fucking Spanish in Central America. The vast majority of players post on the NA boards in English because they understand that the primary spoken language on the NA boards is English. Your argument is a moot point.

EunsonAug 3, 20171 votes

Not sure where I shamed him. If I wanted to shame him I could point out all the errors and laugh at that (which I didn't do). When did giving advice/criticism become negative automatically? I could have just as easily said Math/Physics or any other course; would this still be shaming? He's been banned and has free time now; just an observation.

I looked at your ARAM match history and noticed you opt to not buy boots on Nidalee. I suggest you buy boots, it'll help you secure kills and abuse the champions movement. Sorry if this "shames" your gameplay.

eldurisAug 3, 20172 votes

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When did giving advice/criticism become negative automatically?

It's not, you can absolutely give constructive feedback or criticism. The problem is your feedback wasn't constructive.

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I could have just as easily said Math/Physics or any other course; would this still be shaming?

Math and physics have nothing to do with the discussion so at that point, your comment would be off-topic and considered spam.

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I looked at your ARAM match history and noticed you opt to not buy boots on Nidalee. I suggest you buy boots, it'll help you secure kills and abuse the champions movement. Sorry if this "shames" your gameplay.

I hope you found that to be a good use of your time.

EunsonAug 3, 20171 votes

How was it not constructive? He/she has spare time and an opportunity to further his/her education.

I know math/physics has nothing to do with this, that was the point I was making. Why am I not allowed to suggest taking an English course but I can suggest taking a Math/Physics course? I never once said (in my original post) OP was bad at English. I am born in North America and can only speak English, I still take English courses in elementary school, high school, post secondary school...doesn't mean I'm bad at speaking/writing the language. You assumed that my comment was negative.

I hope you use my feedback to improve your game play like I hope OP uses my suggestion to better their English skills.

eldurisAug 3, 20172 votes

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How was it not constructive?

All you said was "take some English courses". Constructive feedback would give examples of what was wrong, suggestions on how to improve, and specific examples, all while maintaining a friendly demeanor. Your post had none of that.

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Why am I not allowed to suggest taking an English course but I can suggest taking a Math/Physics course?

You are allowed to suggest whatever you want. You are not allowed to harass others on Boards, no matter the reason.

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I never once said (in my original post) OP was bad at English.

You did suggest they take an English course though, so why would you do that? Generally, if someone suggests taking a class or reading further into a topic, it's because the person they're addressing has a lack of understanding of that subject, meaning something about the OP's post told you they weren't proficient in English. Now what exactly about OP's post made you want to suggest taking a course?

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I hope you use my feedback to improve your game play like I hope OP uses my suggestion to better their English skills.

I won't.

EunsonAug 3, 20171 votes

If you think I was harassing him than you are a hypocrite with your original comment.

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Shaming others based on their English literacy is not appropriate for Boards. If you don't have anything nice to say, you're better off not saying anything.

This is comment provides as much (if not less) constructive feedback than mine did.

The part that made me suggest taking a course, as I have already stated multiple times, he has a free block of time since he is permanently banned from the game. You yourself said you were fine if I had suggested any course except English. Not sure what you have against someone furthering their knowledge in English. Please stop harassing me by asking the same questions over and over; I feel like you are on a witch hunt waiting for my "story" to slip.

eldurisAug 3, 20171 votes

If you have a concern regarding Boards moderation, please bring it to the Boards Discord. I'm not going to derail this thread any more than it already has been.

BlutseucheAug 3, 20172 votes

I mean, English IS a world language, so getting better at it doesnt seem like a better idea, especially when youre permabanned and now have more time.

Taeyang73Aug 3, 20172 votes

Lol at these guys defending their teasing of someone regarding his/her less-than-perfect English skills.

I'm a fucking dick, at times, but even I'M not THAT much of a dick.

Get 'em, Eld

BeatzBoyFTWAug 3, 20172 votes

Riot tried perma-mute before, it only resulted in more AFK & Intentional Feeding cases instead. You might as well create another account if you were to continue your League career.

Makior72Aug 3, 20171 votes

We can't really help you with this on the boards. You can try to submit a ticket to riot support, but once an account is banned it is very very rare for riot to reverse that decision.

As for why you were banned on only your second offense, extreme cases of toxicity can escalate the punishment. This would be things like using racial slurs, telling someone to kill themselves, and other such things.

EztateAug 3, 20171 votes

Never said to "kill yourself" nor did I every introduce racial slurs. And I moved to America was I was 17 I'm not 21. 4 years isn't that long to learn the hard language on the planet.