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A feature in league called "The Ban System"

DeathAtSpawn··1 votes·618 views

So today after a while I thought lets play some league of legends. I play a few games when I get time. I play normals because Im not level 30 yet. I played atleast 4 games today and guess what happens. I get trolls, afkers and toxic players in my games. I refrain to use the chat in game until I need to call an objective ( because of my past 10 ingame chat ban). I agree that I was toxic when I started the game in early levels but after the ban I got I usually mute my team and refrain from the chat.

Now instead I get all those troll in my games who just feed like anything and flame you otherwise. Now what I usually do after all these kinds of game is just report them and move on. But the next thing you know is they never get a ban. I'm like okay fine they must have improved their nature and must have not flamed later but what can you say about my luck !! Aha they are in my team again in the next game and because they recognise me they start calling me noob and that I'm bad and they would int again if I play bad. Now I would dodge in this case but the timer is way too long after a while. Now this is an experience that has occurred to all us players but the sad thing about it is that RIOT games does nothing about it. It has been years since they updated the game's ban system and have given opportunity to these kind of players to grow. People are not afraid of this sytem anymore and troll and act toxic like they want to be. I mean how sad this is for players in low elo and normals that they try to have fun and play with friends but instead encounter a troll toxic person in game which ruins their play time.

I have a live example with me which proves that riot has a horrible ban system. A player I know now used to int every game like run it down mid and feed but he would never type anything in chat and would flame all of them after the game got over he did it till vl 25 and said he enjoyed it and that's why he used to do it. I would tell the ign of the player if required but I don't think it is necesarry now so I would not add for the time being. I mean riot release atleast 26 patches every year with only 1 thought and that is to add more skins in game to earn more money they somehow don't care about the experience of they low elo players I have gives so damn many surveys by riot and always suggested regarding their useless ban system but they never tend to do anything. I always keep quite by after a while u cant contain it Riot. These people ruin the community because u guys don't want to do anything. All I want from this post is a proper justification FROM A RIOTIER as to why riot does not look into this matter and let these inters loose. Thank you for reading and pls don't be toxic

29 Comments

Butt Ρlug3 votes

First edit your post and organize it with some paragraphs and so on, nobody wants to read something like that.

So yeah there are assholes everywhere, report every time you see one of them. When leveling up your account you'll play with a lot of trolls/toxic people who created new accounts, it takes some time for them to be banned. Remember that we are near christmas and the new year, so there are a lot of kids in vacation who plays right now. Once you'll gain MMR you'll get less assholes in your games.

The system isn't perfect but nothing is, it's sometimes hard to differentiate someone who ints with someone who is new on a certain role/champion. I don't think you realize the difficulties of creating a system that can 100% tell if someone is inting or not ( there are obvious cases of course, but inters can always find other ways to ruin the game without it being obvious ).

I'd suggest you to try ranked flex 5v5 with friends once you'll be level 30, with vocal communication with discord/teamspeak/whatever. I'm not telling you to not do solo queue but it helps to have some games where you know everyone try their best, where it's easy to coordinate. No trolls/inters/feeders/assholes/... Overall it's a better experience than normals/solo queue. Take small breaks after having bad games, maybe alternate ranked flex and solo queue.

Always remember not to tilt/flame when you get confronted to assholes, as it can get you punished even if "you did nothing wrong just insulted that dude who is 0/20/0".

EDIT: also something that i often do, if someone on the enemy team dodge a game when you are in champ select, it's a good idea to quit the queue and wait let's say one minute, just in case there was a troll in the enemy team, that way you'll have less chance of a possible troll ending up in your team when you'll get back in queue. Remember that assholes are a minority in the game, you just feel like there are a ton of them because they talk too much.

DeathAtSpawn1 votes

Okay hey mate first of all thanks for the advice regarding which queue to play but I would like to say that it is none of your concern so lets stick to the topic of riots ban system. Next thing would be that what if I tell you that i report 6-7 people everytime I play league and hardly any are banned. Now I'm not saying that riot should get a perfect system which can differentiate between new players and inters. All I'm saying is why isn't there been any "Improvement" for the past **Years **. What if I tell you I get inters every alternate games. Now u told me that the higher I climb the less amount of inter right ? Would this be known to a new player who just joined league and wanted to play for fun ? So pls try staying onto the context and don't defend something which is wrong. A few hours ago I had a guy who claimed in chat that he is inting and I reported him and guess what no ban for him though. So u tell me is this justified ??

Butt Ρlug1 votes

i report 6-7 people everytime I play league and hardly any are banned.

Looking at your op.gg i don't really see 6 or 7 people inting every day you played league, those who flame will get quickly punished once enough people reported them in a certain number of games. You actually need to be reported multiple times until the system gives you a punishment, unless you were homophobic, racist and so on.

I play league too, and of course i've seen quite a lot of people inting. Those players are often seen when you are leveling up a new account, and this because it takes a certain number of reports for them to be punished, so the more you'll progress, the more MMR you get, the less you'll see people inting yeah. I don't often end up reporting 6-7 people every day, i usually report people who flame, that happens way more often that people inting.

I don't really know what you are calling "inters", of course some of them are really obvious to spot, those who only buys item 3070 and runs down midlane endlessly. But being bad and finishing a game 0/20/0 isn't necessary inting. Maybe he played this role for the first time, with a champion he doesn't knows, against a smurf that totally destroyed him. Like i said you'll see quite a lot of people performing pretty bad in normal game, and especially when leveling up an account. Once you'll get placed in normal games with silver/golds/plats, you'll see way less people doing that bad. Yeah you'll see way more toxic behaviors pre level 30, this because toxic people usually get banned and create new accounts.

A few hours ago I had a guy who claimed in chat that he is inting and I reported him and guess what no ban for him though. So u tell me is this justified ??

Like i said it takes more than one report to get someone punished. Maybe he had a bad day, maybe he got a chat restriction which you can't see. Punishments for negative attitude in chat are easier for the bot to see so reporting flamers often gives better results than reporting inters.

You only get the little pop-up thingy saying that your report ended up in a player being punished if it was your specific report that triggered the punishment, and you won't see that thing every time you report someone. It's actually pretty rare i only see it once or twice a month.

What if I tell you I get inters every alternate games. Now u told me that the higher I climb the less amount of inter right ?

So, i've just looked at your op.gg, so yeah you have some games when people ended up 0/14/0 or things like that, but not that many, and there is some games where you also ended up like 3/12/0 and things like that.

I'm not telling you that you did not see any inters at all, i'm just saying that some people do bad, especially at this kind of level, given that they'll sometimes be against a smurt or play roles/champions they don't know anything about. A leona who ended up 1/8/8 isn't someone inting, they just played pretty bad. A riven 3/12/5 isn't someone inting. A 2/12/4 talon isn't necessary inting.

So yeah overall i've seen a few people that maybe you could say "inted" looking at your match history, but clearly it's a minority, and clearly it's not "every games". You can't report someone just because he did bad. Normal games are made for people to try roles/champions they don't know.

Like really i assure you that your match history doesn't seems like it's full of people inting every games, i did not see anyone only buying item 3070, things like that, i think you are maybe a little bit overreacting when your teammates just do poorly. In a lot of games you'll have people that loose their lanes, and more often than not you'll have people ending up 0/6/0

The matchmaking system is like that it gives you some difficulties. Take it as a challenge, if that happens it's you who have to carry them and lead your team to victory. The game won't be fun if your teammates were always playing their main champion perfectly.

Of course if someone is in fact claiming that he is inting, you need to report it, but of course if he doesn't int that often, he won't get punished right away.

But i can assure you that in my last 50 games i've seen less than 2 people inting on purpose.

DeathAtSpawn1 votes

Okay mate like u said u checked my op.gg and u cant seem to see around 6-7 people in total who inted yesterday in my total of 5 games played ?? Buddy either u got some reading problems or maybe ur just lying.

Now like u quoted me multiple times writing the same things again and again after every quote I don't think u have a good comprehension of the context I have mentioned. Mate I'm not brain dead and I know how the system works. Now i really didn't think someone would be as dumb as you to post something like you did but let me clear some things here.

I do know that me alone reporting once wont affect much but if u remember there are 5 people in my team and 10 in total players per game. So i am not the only one with having the issue with the inter right ? so if u had any common sense at all then you must have known that i am not the only one reporting them and other 2-3 players in my team and sometime the opponent team also did it( because they say they did it in the post game chat) i did not know that for people like you i would have to mention that part because it is quite understanding that I'm not the only one in the team having problem with the inters. And the pop up thingy which shows if they have been punished or not isn't an achievement mate that it would be Rare so every time they get a punishment and if u were one of the guys who reported them you will get notified. And if you are not notified that means they got away with it.

Second thing is that again i have that much sense to know a difference between an inter and a new/bad player dude. If they are new to the champ or are just bad at it they say it in the chat and i just ignore them and don't report them and instead tell them what they should build or where to play etc. Like seriously man I'm not a 10 yr old who does not have any sense of differentiation. And idk why you constantly type about inters only having tear of the goddess in their build to Qualify them as inters but that alone isn't the part. I get to know if a guy is inting when they publically start flaming in the chat and start feeding ON PURPOSE and not because they are bad. I have a major problem with those players that int and flame at the same time and get away with it. I agree the players that only int and bad cant be separated by the system but atleast an action should be taken when they flame at the same time.

And yes when I'm having a bad game i tell my team that I'm new or the guy I'm facing is too good for me so all they do is they ask me to play safe and i do the same when someone else whose a bad player and not an inter. So mate stop posting that i blame everyone who is bad. Also please don't post rubbish like " Its your duty to carry them and lead to victory" I cant help it when everyone in my team is 0 6 or 0 4. All that talk is non sense when these kind of games occurs. I mean after reading your post i really do feel that you are too naïve and are defending a faulty system for no reason at all. So i would suggest you to don't post anything if you cannot understand the context. I don't mind if the inters don't get an instant ban but what about the regular toxic players? All i ask is the justification from a RIOTER as to why there haven't been an improvement.

DeathAtSpawn1 votes

Also you are an euw player so you cannot judge as in how the crowd would be for NA so its better if you use some common sense rather type the same stuff again and again and try to understanding the context of what i have written. Rather than typing the same stuff which have read all over the forums and mentioning some dialogues wont change anything.

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

I hate to break it to you, every Server suffers from trolls, inters, and toxicity. There is nothing wrong with his comments.

In response to the op.gg. Not really seeing inters. Only one I question is the Brand because it looks like he gave up. The 3/14/8 Rengar participated in 11 of your tram 16 kills and the Leona 9 of the 16. The 0/5/0 Renekton? Looks like he got punished by Jax, who I think can block Renek's stun with E.

DeathAtSpawn1 votes

Mate I never said other servers don't have inters I just said that he cannot judge a server where he hasn't played. Secondly buddy are u dumb or are u joking ? I have mentioned 10 times already that those player I have reported clearly mentioned ingame chat that they are inting. For Christ sake mate wtf do u mean you cant see inter do u have the logs ? were u in my game ? like jesus guys do u all have some common sense ? Why would I report them and blame them in the first place if they weren't inting the rengar was a new player he had a bad kda so I didn't report him. But the renekton brand Leona and teemo all trolled and were toxic and they said that in chat. Like wtf man why would I post something here if no one trolled huh ? As if you can see everything happening in my games but just seeing the kda in op.gg. If you don't have the right knowledge pls don't post rubbish here like oh that reketon just got punished by jax E. if you see high elo gameplay a lot of players have countered jax with renekton and this guy here lost to him early 0 2 and then just typed in chat that he is broken and I cant help but feed because my team wont help me. So I would suggest you to stop acting smart and stop post something that's makes no sense

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

I mentioned the other servers because you seemed to dismiss the other fellow because he is grom EUW.

And there is nothing wrong with the observations I have made. Yes, they are only based one what I can see with item builds and kd from op.gg. You want to bring up high elo, okay. Some high elo joke when they make a bad play that they are inting. So those who watch may make the same joke. Copying what high elo says is easier than copying the play of smashing a Jax as Renekton.

In short, just because someone says they are inting, doesn't mean they are. It is jist a stupid thing to say.

DeathAtSpawn1 votes

When did I "dismiss the fellow" writing one statement regarding the server is "dismissing" ?? I didn't bad mouth his server or anything just mentioned it and are u dumb mate ?? Even when they say they are mad cuz no ganks and they will int now still doesn't mean they are inting ? U cannot understand the simple English I have written that I can see the difference between a bad player and an inter. U have not seen my games nor the logs so u have no right to make such firm statements regarding my played games and telling me what actually happened in game whether the guy inted or not. Stop following the herd like a dumb guy u are and start using some common sense. If I mentioned that they inted then I must have said cause they did not for some other reason. Stop being like oh the other guys saw the op.gg of this guy lemme do the same and write the same thing again on the forum cuz I cant think of something sensible. Please like I said before if u cannot provide with something useful then don't waste time posting statements that are worthless

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

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Also you are an euw player so you cannot judge as in how the crowd would be for NA so its better if you use some common sense rather type the same stuff again and again and try to understanding the context of what i have written.

That is a dismissive comment. You are saying because he is from EUW that he is not informed enough to judge something in NA. Which, since we are talking about something that all servers have problems with, is untrue.

Perhaps you simply don't understand English. Let me try a more crude method of communication. We cannot see the fucking chat logs. We can only judge based on the information we have. If you want to speak to a Rioter then make a support ticket. This is a public forum and we use the information we can access. Which the information we can fucking access doesn't have any outstanding trolls or inters, aside from a Brand.

Did you get that? Using items we have access to is common sense. Sometimes you have to repeat the same point again and again because someone doesn't seem to comprehend it.

Side note, since you seem to not want to actually hold a discussion. I am most likely done with replying to you. Largely because I am reminded of an old saying. "Don't debate with idiots, they will just drag you to their level."

DeathAtSpawn1 votes

And from what u mentioned above are sure that a guy with normal items and a bad kda after saying that they are inting is not declared as an inter???? Is it a rule that a guy is only declared an inter if they build tear of goddess as all items ? Like bruh u urself don't know what you are typing. I mean what are u getting by defending this faulty system when what u type makes no sense. When did I say I'm "copying high elo joke". And then saying my teammates are inting ?

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

I understand what I am typing, I cannot control if you understand or not. I did not say you said anything about "copying high elo joke". I said that because you brought up high elo.

Dawnthology2 votes

You rambled so much in this and that makes it difficult to read. Be more straight to the point next time if you want your message to get across. However, It's true that the people who actually deserve the permanent bans get to roam free while the people who say "stfu" once gets suspended forever. I see the frustration all throughout your message and the only thing I can say is, mute and report. One report isn't enough to grab the automated systems attention unless they use extremely vulgar language (racial slurs, kys, etc.). It would be nice for Riot to update their punishment system.

Best of luck in the battle field [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

zPOOPz1 votes

One report isn't enough to grab the automated systems attention unless they use extremely vulgar language (racial slurs, kys, etc.).

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Why do you think it wouldn't? If someone is only mildly toxic saying "stfu" often enough to be a pattern of behavior, of course it will be registered as toxic. Every report, even if just from 1 person, always grab the IFS's attention. If the reported person is only mildly toxic, the IFS will bank that reported games until that person is mildly toxic enough to become a pattern of behavior, then he will be punished.

Give ONE example of someone saying "stfu" once and get perma....

Dawnthology1 votes

I GOT PERMA BANNED FOR SAYING STFU ONCE LOL read my post about it and you're proving my point in a way. Im talking about instant punishments not punishments after multiple reports. Im trying to say that if someone wants a troll to be punished, one report may not be enough.

DeathAtSpawn1 votes

See you are wrong with yours facts so I would suggest not to make these sure assumptions and post them. All I ask is why hasn't there been an improvement since the past many years in the system. Why would they focus on skins rather than their major system

Dawnthology1 votes

My facts aren't wrong just because you don't agree with them. And, I agree that the focus should be improving the punishment system but Riot is hungry for money and would rather make expensive skins. Its nothing personal, just business.

DeathAtSpawn1 votes

Buddy ur facts are wrong u said 1 report isn't enough but that isn't true. So it isn't about me agreeing to them or not they are wrong. And secondly if u cant support the cause go do something useful rather than commenting some dumb dialogues like "Its nothing personal, just business" buddy it aint even related to the context I never said I am personally being targeted or something. So don't comment if u cant understand the context mate.

Dawnthology1 votes

I think I'm (slightly) right on this one. I was was kinda wrong about the "1 report wont be enough" thing. 1 report will catch the systems attention but just its attention is caught, doesn't mean that it will do anything. I've reported people for toxic behavior and NOTHING HAPPENED.

DeathAtSpawn1 votes

See that's what I meant when I said that this system isn't good and riot is not doing anything here :(

General Esdeath 1 votes

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Kei1431 votes

So .... your concern is actually the about how the system isn't too visible, which is true.

But the truth is that people who troll and grief do get banned. It may take some time as there are alot of false data, as many people like to report anyone that feeds as inting, but eventually the system catches up to them.

You can argue that they aren't improving that system as much as we want, Riot Tantram has come on and said that the improvements do come along, they just are never written into the patch notes. In early November, a Riot employee mentioned that there was a an improvement towards the detection of people whom run it down mid, of course that information is not on the patch notes, but I do want to believe that it has made it to the patch.

What you really need, is probably something like this.

DeathAtSpawn1 votes

Well I cant agree to it because these background updates are so minor that I cant see any effects. And regarding what u mentioned that it takes a while for the system to recognise and ban them I reckon if 2 weeks are long enough ??? I reported a guy who run it down mid playing an adc and flaming in chat that the team Is bad and its been 2 week since that game and guess what nothing has been done to that guy. I don't understand why would u defend such a faulty system of the game even when we all know it isn't good.

Kei1432 votes

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I don't understand why would u defend such a faulty system of the game even when we all know it isn't good.

Cos I have alot more faith than you that the system works decently. Though there certainly are alot of improvements needed for the feeder detection system.

DeathAtSpawn1 votes

Buddy like I said above 2 weeks and that guys is still not punished and as per my main Paragraph above if u can read I had clearly mentioned a guy I know inted for 25 levels straight every single game and guess what hes all cool now and still plays on the same account. I mean what do u mean by "faith". How is faith even related to this issue. Having faith will make the system better ? The system is really bad and need constant improvement. An example of another game is overwatch. It has been 1.5 years since the game came out and guess what the toxicity level has reduced from what is really was to really negligible. Wanna guess how ? Cause they don't focus on money making skins but how to improve player experience. The reason riot hasn't done anything to the system is because of players like you who don't bother about it and let the toxicity spread.

Kei1433 votes

The inters I've reported have been punished. The ones you reported haven't been punished. That's why I can have faith in the system, whereas you feel the system doesn't work.

But we can agree that the system can use more improvements. Skins team is also a different team than the behavioral team. Artists usually can't program.

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