I have been playing my ranked matches so that I can play clash and I just got suspended for pretty much no reason. I was Diana jungle and my team fed the enemy way before I hit lvl 6 (not to mention I got invaded early with no leash or help...I don't understand. I wasnt mean I just stated facts about the game. And now im suspended......See you all in 2 weeks silenced because speaking my mind is against the code...even if it is true.
Chermorg5 votesYes, the truth can certainly be used to harass someone and thus be punishable. Someone may be 0/10, that may be true, but continually reminding them serves no purpose whatsoever and can be considered abusive.
If you post your chat logs we can help you identify what lines you crossed.
Surefire231 votesYes, the truth can certainly be used to harass someone and thus be punishable. Someone may be 0/10, that may be true, but continually reminding them serves no purpose whatsoever and can be considered abusive.
If you post your chat logs we can help you identify what lines you crossed.
This seems like a very tricky line to walk. The TRUTH being disallowed seems trumpish, pardon my French. I have gotten a chat restriction in the past for simply performing the same function as the in-game announcer, but in chat.
Example ranked solo queue: I had an adc who went 0/1 early and got flamed by another teammate, the adc then proclaimed IN CHAT that he was going to intentionally feed and proceeded to do so. Already disheartened by a string of such teammates I mentally escaped from what was happening to me, much in the way assault victims sometime become numb and lifeless during their attack. I latched onto the only voice in the game that was not glaringly toxic, that of the announcer. As chat flamed all around me in a blaze of toxicity, I stayed numb and kept in beat with the announcer; my mental rock. Once per death of said adc, I would type his updated score into team chat. It was a steady but rapid climb from 0/1 to 0/12. Just a few numbers and slashes to accompany the only neutral voice in all of league, nothing more, nothing less. Clearly already beyond tilted, the adc and his duo partner included me in their list of people to report, and boom. Chat restriction. For simply performing the same function as the only neutral voice in all of league, the announcer. It was that day I learned how truly abusive the in-game announcer is. Calling out everyone's death each time they die for the entire game to hear! Updating the scoreboard to reflect horrendous scores of 0/14 when they are actually 0/14! THE AUDACITY! THE UNRELENTING ABUSE! Each and every game! My mental rock had been teaching me bad habits all along, and now I am doomed, a slave to the truth which is now considered bannable.
Chermorg4 votesThe truth is not disallowed. Using the truth to harass someone is disallowed. That isn't a "trumpish" idea at all - it's been a concept in at least US law/policing for centuries.
You typing their updated score into team chat served absolutely no purpose but to harass them and belittle them for their score. There is absolutely NO valid positive or even neutral reason to do so unless you are actively trying to make them feel like shit for their score. They can see their score at the top and/or on the scoreboard - they don't need you reminding them. You were not merely "stating the truth". You were harassing them. You weren't punished for stating the truth. You were punished for the behavior of harassing them.
Surefire231 votesThe truth is not disallowed. Using the truth to harass someone is disallowed. That isn't a "trumpish" idea at all - it's been a concept in at least US law/policing for centuries.
You typing their updated score into team chat served absolutely no purpose but to harass them and belittle them for their score. There is absolutely NO valid positive or even neutral reason to do so unless you are actively trying to make them feel like shit for their score. They can see their score at the top and/or on the scoreboard - they don't need you reminding them. You were not merely "stating the truth". You were harassing them. You weren't punished for stating the truth. You were punished for the behavior of harassing them.
Maybe one century, tops. Maybe not even half, unless you consider the harassment laws of the US during the 1900-1960's an upstanding example of civil justice. In which case, we might merely be different people morally. At any rate, by your logic I would like to report the in-game announcer as offensive for the reasons stated above coupled with the fact that there is no option available anywhere to disable the announcer or change what she says to more positive statements as opposed to constantly screaming the abuse that "an ally has been slain" and "enemy killing spree!" into my ears.
Umbral Regent5 votesThe in-game Announcer serves a purpose. You pestering and harassing someone for dying doesn't. You are a player, not an Announcer, and you deciding to blame your misbehavior on an in-game system instead of understanding that harassing players and being a jerk resulted in your punishment, frankly, is asinine.
The in-game Announcer serves a purpose. A player being an asshole doesn't.
Nrader4 votesYou don't deserve it, unfortunately the game is filled with toddlers that can't handle the slightest bit of criticism towards their score or bad plays, so you get reported and punished over it
I'd recommend never typing in chat/remove it completely
And don't bother arguing with the advisors/heralds/mods or whatever other name they have, pretty sure they're paid to back up riot in every decision
SexySoapTurtle4 votesYou don't deserve it, unfortunately the game is filled with toddlers that can't handle the slightest bit of criticism towards their score or bad plays, so you get reported and punished over it
I'd recommend never typing in chat/remove it completely
And don't bother arguing with the advisors/heralds/mods or whatever other name they have, pretty sure they're paid to back up riot in every decision
Basically this.
Chermorg6 votesI'd love to know where my checks are going.
No, we're just regular players, part of the 90%+ of the playerbase who doesn't like dealing with assholes in game.
Nrader2 votesI'd love to know where my checks are going.
No, we're just regular players, part of the 90%+ of the playerbase who doesn't like dealing with assholes in game.
My bad, some of you have to stick up for them to keep your awesome name badge so you can feel special on a forum.
Pandemic Punch3 votesWhile also calling randoms, "assholes". People get banned for that :D
Surefire232 votesYou don't deserve it, unfortunately the game is filled with toddlers that can't handle the slightest bit of criticism towards their score or bad plays, so you get reported and punished over it
I'd recommend never typing in chat/remove it completely
And don't bother arguing with the advisors/heralds/mods or whatever other name they have, pretty sure they're paid to back up riot in every decision
This man knows the truth.
RIOT... as Jack Nicholson once said to Tom Cruise...
You can't handle the truth!
Imperial Pandaa2 votesTelling a fat person they are fat is kind of mean, unless you are a doctor getting paid to do it.
SexySoapTurtle2 votesTake a look at Korean ranked vs NA ranked and figure out why they are better then us. Not gonna say anything more
Surefire232 votesFunny thing how learning works. If we never know what our mistakes are, can we really be expected to learn how to ever fix them? Grats to RIOT on creating a community where any amount of criticism, even when worded positively, is a valid report. There is absolutely ZERO incentive to try and GIVE ADVICE TO TEAMMATES IN A TEAM-GAME because 90% of them will not react well to it, and report you. Don't bother trying to help your teammates, better off just losing silently and accepting this is how league of legends is intended to be played. lul
Umbral Regent2 votesFunny thing how the game works, too. Mistakes are pretty clearly signposted when they happen, and players have all sorts of tools outside of other players to tell them they're making mistakes.
Healthbar low? That trade probably wasn't worth.
Grey screen? Went too deep in, should've backed out.
Low KDA? Playing too safe, not getting anywhere.
Enemy roaming? Not enough threat presence.
If someone makes a mistake, odds are high that they already are well aware of it. They've all the clues in the world around their screen and at the push of a button to see what they might be doing wrong.
Beyond that, though...
...where any amount of criticism, even when worded positively, is a valid report.
How come I've given criticism here and there, and have yet to have a hitch in Honor Progression, let alone suffer a punishment?
Giving criticism is about knowing when and how to deliver it. If you're getting punished or validly reported for giving criticism, then, I'm inclined to criticise your timing and delivery.
Rather than stewing in silence and misplaced anger, why not learn how to improve yourself, if you can't improve others?
Nrader2 votes[{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=X2suJAIL,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2018-04-12T20:03:50.507+0000)
Funny thing how the game works, too. Mistakes are pretty clearly signposted when they happen, and players have all sorts of tools outside of other players to tell them they're making mistakes.
Healthbar low? That trade probably wasn't worth.
Grey screen? Went too deep in, should've backed out.
Low KDA? Playing too safe, not getting anywhere.
Enemy roaming? Not enough threat presence.
If someone makes a mistake, odds are high that they already are well aware of it. They've all the clues in the world around their screen and at the push of a button to see what they might be doing wrong.
Beyond that, though...
How come I've given criticism here and there, and have yet to have a hitch in Honor Progression, let alone suffer a punishment?
Giving criticism is about knowing when and how to deliver it. If you're getting punished or validly reported for giving criticism, then, I'm inclined to criticise your timing and delivery.
Rather than stewing in silence and misplaced anger, why not learn how to improve yourself, if you can't improve others?
Okay, so if you happen to get some criticism that you didnt think was needed, what stops you from muting the player?
the bandaid example doesn't work here, because you're not being insulted.
Umbral Regent2 votesNot sure what your point is, exactly, but I tend to turn down unwanted criticism and mute unnecessary, non-constructive criticism. Which, if it's unnecessary and non-constructive, I'm also inclined to report the player. Nothing stops me from either.
I may not be getting insulted, but that doesn't mean that the unnecessary criticism (especially if poorly delivered) doesn't affect me. It's just as bad as insulting someone to start getting petty over someone's build, their KDA, etc.
That's all I'm going to say in response to you for now, you need to make your argument clearer if I'm gonna respond further.
Surefire231 votes[{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=X2suJAIL,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2018-04-12T20:03:50.507+0000)
Funny thing how the game works, too. Mistakes are pretty clearly signposted when they happen, and players have all sorts of tools outside of other players to tell them they're making mistakes.
Healthbar low? That trade probably wasn't worth.
Grey screen? Went too deep in, should've backed out.
Low KDA? Playing too safe, not getting anywhere.
Enemy roaming? Not enough threat presence.
If someone makes a mistake, odds are high that they already are well aware of it. They've all the clues in the world around their screen and at the push of a button to see what they might be doing wrong.
Beyond that, though...
How come I've given criticism here and there, and have yet to have a hitch in Honor Progression, let alone suffer a punishment?
Giving criticism is about knowing when and how to deliver it. If you're getting punished or validly reported for giving criticism, then, I'm inclined to criticise your timing and delivery.
Rather than stewing in silence and misplaced anger, why not learn how to improve yourself, if you can't improve others?
clearly you haven't spent any time in the nightmarish hell that is known as silver/gold/plat elo. not to mention you disregard any examples of players intentionally feeding or trolling
Umbral Regent2 votesWhat does rank and feeding/trolling have to do with giving criticism? If you're not going to stay on topic, I've no reason to continue this discussion.
Surefire231 votes[{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=X2suJAIL,comment-id=000a000000010000,timestamp=2018-04-12T20:24:19.968+0000)
What does rank and feeding/trolling have to do with giving criticism? If you're not going to stay on topic, I've no reason to continue this discussion.
If you don't realize how rank influences the average type of player on your team consequently influencing how they are likely to react to criticism, then I no longer wish to continue this conversation with you.
Gustavadrum2 votesI got my second acc banned because i say something about a guy trolling. I always tried to be supportive of a good player o a guys that you can see is not very good, but keeps trying. But today i got a feeding player on my team being toxic like hell, i said something, he got 9 reports, and i am the one who got banned. This game has brought more toxicity in my life in the past 2 years than any other thing, so i decided to uninstall. Really not worth the time, the effort and good-sportness if your are in the hands of a kid that gets offended at anything and false reports you every game you say something about a feeder. So i am sorry to say that i wasted my time since season 3 just for a spoiled kid to get me banned because he is dumb enough not to mute someone he does not agree with.
Jester T1 votesI dont know how to get my chat logs I didnt think I would have to. My point is my team fed and when i tried to surrender and said in chat that we should they all reported me. Whatever I get it the best way to avoid any punishment is to not say anyting in chat at all. 2 Weeks and ill be back on but I wont be communicating...which is also a reportable offense....I don't understand.
zPOOPz3 votesrefusing to communicate on its own has NEVER been a punishable offense. This is not even a report option anymore.
Jester T1 votesgood then when I come back I wont get in trouble for not typing or pinging
zPOOPz2 votesI can understand not typing anymore. If I have a choice, I'd prefer my teammate(s) stay silence than tilting the team by flaming.
However, I'm not so sure why you want to play with your hands tied behind your back purposely by not pinging. I can 100% guarantee you that refusing to ping is also not a punishable or reportable offense so there's that.
Karunamon1 votesIf you got a 2 week ban, they should be on the screen when you try to log in.
Jester T1 votesAll I wanted to do was surrender....IDK why exactly i was reported or why I got punished is there a riot employee that can help me? Lyte used to be the guy.
Silent Gravity3 votesWhen you want to surrender, use the /ff command.
Using chat to try to convince people to surrender is flagged as negative by the IFS.
If the vote fails, keep trying your best to win, but you can always start another vote later.
HalcyonDweller1 votesWe can't support you unless you show us your chat logs. Nobody's willing to defend someone who could be lying about their innocence.
Jester T1 voteshelp me get my logs I will post them
Kei1431 votesReLog into the client and you'll see it.
Jester T1 votesGame 1
Jester T: gl hf
Jester T: sry
Jester T: so far so good'
Jester T: lmao
Jester T: yeah we just need to surrender
Jester T: one kill per minute so far
Jester T: lies
Jester T: they mean gold and a loss
Jester T: we wont tho
Jester T: no nobody should feed like this
Jester T: i got invaded
Jester T: im just top
Jester T: fk jungle
Jester T: he is lvl 9
Jester T: already
Jester T: just ff 15 plz
Jester T: i wont say any more
Jester T: 2/5
Jester T: and no tower and 5 deaths gj
Jester T: annie doesnt know how to play forgive her
Jester T: no
Jester T: you dont get it do you?
Jester T: and still no surr vote?
Jester T: bronze at its finest
Jester T: w
Jester T: im wdddd
Jester T: done
Jester T: hit yes plz?
Jester T: not true...it took 3 min for them to get 5 kills tho
Jester T: keep that in mind
Jester T: well we are all gonna be losers so
Jester T:
Jester T: see how good we are?
Jester T: going top
Jester T: this is not only my fault
Jester T: accept your faults
Jester T: we lost before i could gank...............
Jester T: so blame me whatever
Jester T: because i wanna quit a lost game?
Jester T: yeah that sounds logical
Jester T: i didnt have a chance3
Jester T: i wouldnt be crying if you just surr
Jester T: look at the map
Jester T: i mean we have no turrets and our base is broken
Jester T: tell me we can win without cheating
Jester T: ^^^
Jester T: thats why i started the vote
Jester T: ima say no now
Jester T: play it out
Jester T: yeah im such a bad person...i didnt even hit lvl 4 before we lost
Jester T: i dont think anybody should be reported...these ppl need to practice more
Jester T: gg all
Jester T1 votesNot a fantastic attitude but banworhty?
Chermorg2 votesYes, having a negative, combative, and blaming attitude is punishable. Constantly harassing your teammates for their scores and plays, trying to convince them to surrender.... This is the textbook attitude.
If you've had prior chat restrictions, this is certainly enough to get you a 14 day ban.
Kei1431 votesThere are 3 scenarios where this could lead to a 14-day ban:
You previously had a 25 game chat restriction and was escalated up to 14-day ban through the standard punishment ladder.
You previously had a 14-day ban. You reformed enough to drop a punishmnet tier , but was punished again and got you back to 14-day ban.
You used hate speech in pre/post game lobby, which probably isn't the case for you, but still a possible scenario.
Jester T1 votesOk I will certainly not make these mistakes again...see you all after my ban. glhf