So you know the pop up warning you get that says Warning- Offensive laung blah blah blah and so on'
now i haven't talked in like 10 games is this just a automated thing where people have just reported u for it hoping for u to get banned for no reason
is this actually because i am being punished
srry if i worded this wrong
COBRA C0MM4NDER1 votesIt could be from a previous game that the team didn't get a chance to review.
But if it came up, there's a valid reason for it.
Something occurred that triggered the system, it's not from just other players spamming REPORT. Other players calling attention to that only focuses the system on your account for the Riot Player Behavior & Moderation team to look closer to why the system highlighted you.
If you feel that it's unjust, send Riot support a ticket about it and they can explain to you what happened for them to reach that decision.
Hunts and Dips2 votes[{quoted}](name=Grandfather Crow,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WqTx9vBi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-11-27T00:04:10.214+0000)
It could be from a previous game that the team didn't get a chance to review.
But if it came up, there's a valid reason for it.
Something occurred that triggered the system, it's not from just other players spamming REPORT. Other players calling attention to that only focuses the system on your account for the Riot Player Behavior & Moderation team to look closer to why the system highlighted you.
If you feel that it's unjust, send Riot support a ticket about it and they can explain to you what happened for them to reach that decision.
100% false.
If you get that popup and you know you didn't do anything wrong don't worry. It means nothing other than you've been reported.
If you have been toxic I would tone it down because you might be close to a suspension.
MalaceX1 votesThis is one of the issues I have with the automated reports. To not talk in multiple games and still get an offensive language warning is flawed tremendously. It proves that no one checks the reports or rarely checks the reports.
qetzel1 votesThe warning are automated to let you know that your teammates have been unhappy about you. Before you get a punishment (not a warning pop up, a real punishment) Riot's system checks all the reports against you, scans chat logs etc. and validates each of them. If they are not worthy of a punishment, you won't get one.
MalaceX1 votesThe warning are automated to let you know that your teammates have been unhappy about you. Before you get a punishment (not a warning pop up, a real punishment) Riot's system checks all the reports against you, scans chat logs etc. and validates each of them. If they are not worthy of a punishment, you won't get one.
The whole system is automated, which is the issue. Each game is unique and scanning chat logs does not demonstrate any players' poor play. No human validates anything.
LukeTheSheppy1 votesThe whole system is automated, which is the issue. Each game is unique and scanning chat logs does not demonstrate any players' poor play. No human validates anything.
The warning pops up when you get reported X number of times in a game; it doesn't mean that it's valid. It is simply a notification that X number of people reported you. To believe it is a punishment of any sort is erroneous at best.
MalaceX1 votesThe warning pops up when you get reported X number of times in a game; it doesn't mean that it's valid. It is simply a notification that X number of people reported you. To believe it is a punishment of any sort is erroneous at best.
The fact that you don't know what that "X" number is creates a problem. Riot lacks transparency and many aspects of its games and you guys just continue to ignore them. Therefore, they won't have to fix anything as long as money is being made regardless.
SmokedAlmonds1 votesThe fact that you don't know what that "X" number is creates a problem. Riot lacks transparency and many aspects of its games and you guys just continue to ignore them. Therefore, they won't have to fix anything as long as money is being made regardless.
The "X" isn't a static number. It is a variable. The warnings are triggered based on an increase in the rate you get reported which is different for everyone. Knowing the number wouldn't change anything.
I do hate the warning system though. The real problem is that the warnings are triggered by reports before they are validated. Which means they can and do trigger on false reports. If someone understands how they work the warnings are useless since they will want to think its based on false reports(regardless of whether or not it was). If someone doesn't understand how they work they can get a warning based on false reports and be confused and probably worried that they are about to be punished. Even if the reports were valid the warning doesn't tell much about what they did wrong. I guess the downsides are pretty small so even if its slightly effective in some cases I guess its still worth it. And maybe when the tribunal took weeks and months to build cases against someone it was more useful. But now with people being banned immediately after games anyway it just feels like a very dated system with limited value. /endrant
MalaceX1 votesThe "X" isn't a static number. It is a variable. The warnings are triggered based on an increase in the rate you get reported which is different for everyone. Knowing the number wouldn't change anything.
I do hate the warning system though. The real problem is that the warnings are triggered by reports before they are validated. Which means they can and do trigger on false reports. If someone understands how they work the warnings are useless since they will want to think its based on false reports(regardless of whether or not it was). If someone doesn't understand how they work they can get a warning based on false reports and be confused and probably worried that they are about to be punished. Even if the reports were valid the warning doesn't tell much about what they did wrong. I guess the downsides are pretty small so even if its slightly effective in some cases I guess its still worth it. And maybe when the tribunal took weeks and months to build cases against someone it was more useful. But now with people being banned immediately after games anyway it just feels like a very dated system with limited value. /endrant
I have yet to see any proof that the reports are validated by humans at all. Especially since Riot states it will not remove any bans and continues to support the automated banning system. I still stand behind the fact that is chat and verbal abuse is really an issue, the chat system should just be removed all together until player knowledge improves.
SmokedAlmonds1 votesI have yet to see any proof that the reports are validated by humans at all. Especially since Riot states it will not remove any bans and continues to support the automated banning system. I still stand behind the fact that is chat and verbal abuse is really an issue, the chat system should just be removed all together until player knowledge improves.
It's not a human doing it, but they are still validated. They review random samples to check the systems accuracy and people can appeal if they think it was a mistake. They do not say that they will not remove any bans. They do overturn mistakes, they are just rare. Most of what I see people call mistakes fall into 2 categories. 1) people disagreeing with what constitutes punishable. But disagreeing with a policy does not make you exempt from it. 2) Some form of thinking other peoples behavior can be used as justification for their own bad behavior.
Removing chat would be throwing the baby out with the bath water. You can disable your own chat if you personally find it to be an acceptable solution. Like it or not, a lot of people play games at least partially for social reasons.
MalaceX1 votesIt's not a human doing it, but they are still validated. They review random samples to check the systems accuracy and people can appeal if they think it was a mistake. They do not say that they will not remove any bans. They do overturn mistakes, they are just rare. Most of what I see people call mistakes fall into 2 categories. 1) people disagreeing with what constitutes punishable. But disagreeing with a policy does not make you exempt from it. 2) Some form of thinking other peoples behavior can be used as justification for their own bad behavior.
Removing chat would be throwing the baby out with the bath water. You can disable your own chat if you personally find it to be an acceptable solution. Like it or not, a lot of people play games at least partially for social reasons.
If it's not human doing the validation, then it will never be accurate. You can't not apply a system that use keywords to flag accounts to accurately gauge players interaction in-game. From my experience, I have yet to see Riot acknowledge any mistakes or flaws in either of their systems. Any other players behavior in-game is an issue. This is one of the only team game I know that favors individual play, yet doesn't do a better job promoting game knowledge and team play. I'm done making excuses for Riot. They need to fix their systems and stop overfocusing on new champs and verbal abuse.
SmokedAlmonds2 votesIf it's not human doing the validation, then it will never be accurate. You can't not apply a system that use keywords to flag accounts to accurately gauge players interaction in-game. From my experience, I have yet to see Riot acknowledge any mistakes or flaws in either of their systems. Any other players behavior in-game is an issue. This is one of the only team game I know that favors individual play, yet doesn't do a better job promoting game knowledge and team play. I'm done making excuses for Riot. They need to fix their systems and stop overfocusing on new champs and verbal abuse.
That is silly to say that it can never be accurate. The system has been running for some time. if it is so inaccurate where are all these mistakes? People get logs when they get the punishments so you can see if they didn't say anything bad.
I've seen a handful overturned(including some weird ones like a guy that was raging at himself), you don't see it because mistakes are rare so there aren't many opportunities to see them overturned. They hand review cases to check accuracy and its like 1 in 6000 contain an error.
MalaceX1 votesThat is silly to say that it can never be accurate. The system has been running for some time. if it is so inaccurate where are all these mistakes? People get logs when they get the punishments so you can see if they didn't say anything bad.
I've seen a handful overturned(including some weird ones like a guy that was raging at himself), you don't see it because mistakes are rare so there aren't many opportunities to see them overturned. They hand review cases to check accuracy and its like 1 in 6000 contain an error.
The guy raging at himself is the ONLY example anyone offers, yet you've seen a "handful?" As previously stated, the system makes mistakes all of the time, but Riot isn't transparent about them nor will they admit the faults in the system beyond it's initial inception. They are hoping the reporting system gets smarter, however until the system analyzes game play, the reporting system will continue to be ineffective long term. It is a temporary solution to the issues with language in-game. That is all.
SmokedAlmonds1 votesThe guy raging at himself is the ONLY example anyone offers, yet you've seen a "handful?" As previously stated, the system makes mistakes all of the time, but Riot isn't transparent about them nor will they admit the faults in the system beyond it's initial inception. They are hoping the reporting system gets smarter, however until the system analyzes game play, the reporting system will continue to be ineffective long term. It is a temporary solution to the issues with language in-game. That is all.
I remember 2 specifically. The guy posted logs of an someone raging at an akali and someone in the comments pointed out that it was the akali that posted it. Everyone cites that one because it was memorable. The other one was someone banned by a rioter who was later fired over it. I thought there were a couple others completely overturned but now that I think about it they may have been just reduced. There was just nothing memorable about them. They were just boarder line cases that the outcome was changed but could have easily fallen on either side. I also saw about that many escalated to perma bans after they got the red attention they were looking for. My point is that mistakes are rare, so of course its hard to come up with examples of them being fixed. You absolutely can appeal punishments via support and if it turns out to be a mistake it will be overturned.
You say that the system makes mistakes all the time but can you show any cases of that happening? I realize this is a bit unfair since its a lot harder to prove someone was innocent than guilty with the way we get information. I'll admit that I have been pretty curious about the influx of people claiming that they were falsely banned for MMR boosting but I don't think there is any automation there and I have never seen one actually go further than a guy saying he didn't do it.
Since august every chat restriction and chat related ban by the automated systems have come with chat logs. If it was falsely banning a lot of people it would be public because people would be posting them.
The problems with the punishment system are mostly related to it not being all encompassing. Not that is inaccurate. No one is pretending it catches every kind of bad behavior. And that is being worked on too. Intentional feeding detection has gotten a lot of upgrades recently and tons of manual reviewing of trolling. It is an incomplete system that is constantly being improved.
