Today i was playing a NORMAL game and i was ryze top. I was having connection problems so i was lagging a lot (300ms). This caused my enemy to get a lot of kills on me. I then disconnected to try fix my connection problems but when i disconnected i couldn't reconnect. my team then didn't understand what happened so they reported me for intentional feeding and now i have this ban.
AeroWaffle13 votesYou ended the game with nothing but tears in your inventory. I don't suppose you can explain why?
I also noticed you have two thresh games and a warwick game where you also ended with nothing but tears in your inventory.
elduris1 votesSometimes I'll do that at the end of the game and I'm in base. Sell items, buy tears as nexus explodes. Sometimes I don't even get to buy all 6 before the shop closes. Depends on how long they were there, if you ask me.
The only game I can see in match history is the Ryze game with 16 deaths. For a 34 minute game, that's quite a lot. I'm willing to bet they were suspended for this over the tears thing.
AeroWaffle3 votesThrough the magic of lolking (which I didn't know had this feature at first), you can see the build path of the games.
In their recent Ryze game that lasted ~34min
25min: they sold everything to buy nothing but tears and several trinket changes (presumably to spam chat). 30min: bought BF sword and Runaan's Hurricane 31min: Bought Cull, daggers, and stingers 34min: back to tears
BeatzBoyFTW5 votesYou had two games with 5 
builds, and other games where you ended with hellish KDAs like Zyra's 4/20/10 & Soraka's 1/12/12.
Be honest with yourself please. Leaving due to disconnection problems should lead you to being Leaverbuster'ed. Getting yourself suspended instead is a totally different story.
Deep Terror Nami4 votesIt's normal to have a really bad game like that sometimes. What's not normal is selling all your items for Tears, which is a great way to convince the system that your deaths were indeed intentional.
If you want to contest your ban you'll have to submit a Support Ticket, but I wouldn't be too optimistic if you had those Tears when there was still time in the game left to play.
IM A ID A IR A3 votesDo you think we are dumb? Do you think we can't check your matchhistory? This is not even the first time you are trolling. Be quiet, man up and take responsibility for what you did. Enjoy your ban!
Deep Terror Nami3 votesNo need to be rude. Many players purchase Tears as their Nexus falls or the forfeit succeeds; without seeing the build path (which is available to us in Ranked match history, but not Normals) it's difficult to ascertain whether this was the case or he was playing with them.
######If there is a place to see the Normal match build path, please share.
Magical Player1 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WeOhEAy6,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-02-02T17:30:16.548+0000)
No need to be rude. Many players purchase Tears as their Nexus falls or the forfeit succeeds; without seeing the build path (which is available to us in Ranked match history, but not Normals) it's difficult to ascertain whether this was the case or he was playing with them.
######If there is a place to see the Normal match build path, please share.
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/42789023/monkeyman%2017
go look at match data, it shows you his item builds. I mean its a weird build
im sure there are plenty of sites that will show, similar aspects. the soraka game people are questioning appears to be him going adc soraka and switching at the end, kinda weird
Deep Terror Nami1 votesOk thx, many sites don't show the build path.
IM A ID A IR A3 votesI wouldn't have talked to him like that if i didn't check everything before. He even bought 
in the middle of the game.
It just makes me angry when someone comes here telling us that he doesn't deserve his ban but then it's this obvious. And now he doesn't even have the balls to reply anymore :D
ModUlanopo1 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WeOhEAy6,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-02-02T17:30:16.548+0000)
######If there is a place to see the Normal match build path, please share.
Havn't found one yet.
Magical Player1 votesHavn't found one yet.
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/42789023/monkeyman%2017
go look at match data, it shows you his item builds. I mean its a weird build
Dominick Destine2 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WeOhEAy6,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-02-02T17:30:16.548+0000)
No need to be rude.
I beg to differ sir. People that do not respect their teammates deserve what they get.
Also your avatar has stopped spinning. I win !
Kitty Cat Tosha1 votesAnd when comes the point where one of the bickering children decide to be the better person?
Sarutobi2 votesNot trying to be rude but do you know how much people use this excuse? Let alone the fact that bans don't work like that. Just like every other type of punished they usually gather a lot of information (in this case games) to make sure it isn't just someone who is having a bad game. I'm not able to check your recent history but I wouldn't be surprised if you had more games like this and instead of you fixing the problem before you made enough games to consider this a consistent problem.
If you feel this is unwarranted by all means contact suppprt and they can help!
Dominick Destine2 votesYou don't get banned for intentionally feeding once.
You need to do it multiple times.... even having a bad game is not enough.
Deep Terror Nami6 votesActually, you can get banned for only a single match of intentionally feeding.
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WeOhEAy6,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-02-02T19:39:04.319+0000)
Actually, you can get banned for only a single match of intentionally feeding.
What the fuck? then all those intentional feeders that I have had over the past 7 years got away scot-free for something they should have been instantly perma-banned for?! WTF RIOT
How in the flying fiddle sticks do you justify hitting me with a zero-to-permaban punishment when intentional feeders , who ARE supposed to be zero-to-permabanned do NOT get zero-to-permabanned? wtf
Deep Terror Nami4 votesThe TL;DR is that the system is not that great at detecting some kinds of trolling. I did not say permaban though, the first punishment is typically a 14 day ban unless they're already on that step.
How in the flying fiddle sticks do you justify hitting me with a zero-to-permaban punishment
We both know exactly why it was justified, Tantram has gone over this with you many times.
Dominick Destine1 votesI did not say permaban though
Very well.
Generally speaking I interpret "Ban" as permanent and "Suspension" as temporary, but that is simply a nomenclature difference that exists on a subjective basis. Your argument is acceptable.
[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WeOhEAy6,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-02T19:51:22.095+0000)
We both know exactly why it was justified, Tantram has gone over this with you many times.
No he has not. You can pretend like my questions have been answered but (ironically), we both know that they have not.
The conversation always goes; "We chose to do this [zero-to-permaban punishment]" "**Ok but why? what was the justification for it when even your own people said that the decision was wrong (?) I was at zero punishment tier, why did it scale from zero to maximum and then later zero to one-less-than-maximum? **" [Radio silence]
The closest to an answer I've ever gotten was "The volume of reports" which is not satisfactory. And no, don't tell me it was not a zero-to-permaban. The fact that it was rescinded is irrelevant to this argument presented. I have never, not even once, pretended like I didn't deserve punishment, my question from Day 1 has always been "Why was I hit with zero-to-permaban and then rescinded down to one less than maximum for what has already been identified as low-to-moderate toxicity?"
I have been wanting an answer to that for over half a year and have never gotten it. What happened to transparency? what happened to justice?
Deep Terror Nami3 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=VtRsakFF,comment-id=0001000000050001000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2017-01-25T00:51:40.939+0000)
Time number .. 10?
You were never hit with a perma-ban. You were hit with a 'shield' ban. Your account was locked until you wrote in to protect your account in case your behavior was a result of an account compromise. It wasn't. So, you received a 14-day ban.
How many times have I explained it to you, in the same way? I'm being very clear. I have no idea what it is you want.
[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MIBGEN1J,comment-id=000500020000,timestamp=2016-11-07T19:08:23.949+0000)
For the 20th?? time. You were NOT punished by the automated system. You were punished by MANUAL REVIEW. You were also given a 14-day ban, NOT a perma-ban.
[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gxTzEErZ,comment-id=0000000000020001000100000000,timestamp=2016-10-08T08:13:25.516+0000)
You didn't get a 'zero-to-permaban' like you post.
Your account was locked, until you wrote in.
Accounts are locked for many reason. Some reasons include account compromise and payment issues. That is like saying that someone was perma-banned because someone stole their account.
You were given an email that specifically told you to write in to player support to address your account issues.
I've also explained that you didn't get a reform card because you didn't go through the instant feedback system, you case was entirely handled by hand. So, I'm not sure why you are commenting about the instant feedback system and it being draconian, when it has in fact never affected you.
You also didn't reform completely if you were being constantly reported and were 14-day banned by manual review. I've had this conversation with you so many times.
[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=seLkO3ZM,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-15T00:42:42.042+0000)
I've seen you post in a few place and you seem genuinely concerned, so wanted to give you the facts about what happened based on notes on your account.
You were banned by a human being because you were one of the most reported players in all of NA. Your account was perma-banned after hand review of behavior until you wrote in to Player Support in case the severe behavior was caused by an account compromise and/or to protect others' experience from being ruined. When you wrote in, the appropriate punishment of 2-weeks was assigned.
This is pretty normal. The instant feedback system is not the only review system in place, though it is certainly the most visible.
The escalation process is in place to ensure chronic offenders are given more severe penalties for repeated offenses. It is not in place to shield severe offenders from receiving an instant perma-ban or 14-day ban before chat restrictions.
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WeOhEAy6,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-02T20:26:17.919+0000)
Do you really want me to dissect that and explain how it does not answer the ONE QUESTION I want answered? because I can do that.... I don't think you want those quotes parsed though, it's a lot of work for me to do it and you will not even bother to read the results.
And at the huge risk of facing punishment for saying this; About 30% of what Riot Tantram says in those posts is complete bullshit. I never got the email he specifies, I got a copy-paste email with no discernible difference from a generic "You have been permanently suspended" email. I can dig it up and take a screenshot if you really want me to. Know that I am not lying, I have no reason to.
Further, the so-called "Shield ban" never happened. I can dig up the exchanges I had with support where nothing remotely resembling that was stated, I was directly told that I was permabanned for toxicity, not "Shield banned" or whatever.
Another example;
I'm not sure why you are commenting about the instant feedback system and it being draconian, when it has in fact never affected you.
If you search through the over 6,000 (?) posts that I have made on these boards, you will not find me saying "The instant feedback system is draconian" even a single time. I refer to the disciplinary system as draconian which includes the manual review process, thereby making his misrepresentation of my arguments doubly frustrating because it is both wrong and completely false.
My point is; They mishandled my case, severely. I just want to know why I was singled out, why was I punished so incredibly hard compared to the average player?
You were banned by a human being because you were one of the most reported players in all of NA.
I'm still very proud of that btw. That is awesome.
But that doesn't justify what was done to me... my toxicity was low-to-moderate and I was told directly that it was not worthy of zero-to-permaban punishment.
The part that stings the most was that prior to them hitting me with the zero-to-permaban punishment, I was an extremely loyal player that defended the draconian system on a semi-daily basis. When it was finally me, I was hit with the absolute worst punishment they could dole out, with no justification.... it was a complete betrayal and of course, they maintained radio silence AND STILL DO.
I say this without exaggeration or drama; Riot fundamentally changed the kind of person that I am, from that point forward I became far more skeptical of authority/cynical about other people and you can check my posts before the betrayal and after to realize that this is true.
AeroWaffle2 votesIt looks like you kept on asking why you received a "zero-to-perma" ban. And they continued to answer you, you didn't receive a "zero to perma-ban", you received a 14-day ban after manually looking at your case.
Any punishment that looked permanent was from their suspicions that your account was compromised, and was changed to the manual review ban once you confirmed you were in control of your account.
They answered your question you constantly stated over and over, "why was I zero-to-perma banned?".
Dominick Destine1 votesAny punishment that looked permanent was from their suspicions that your account was compromised
I received an email saying I was permanently suspended. I talked to support and they said I was permanently suspended for toxicity.
The order was rescinded after a second review which showed my toxicity was not high enough to justify a zero-to-permaban. Do you think I am lying? I have copies of every interaction.... the threads are still here and have all the information showing that I am telling the truth.
They answered your question you constantly stated over and over, "why was I zero-to-perma banned?".
Then for what reason is every single piece of evidence contradictory of said statement ?
But even ignoring that, what justification was there for my scaling being so ultra-high when I was at zero punishment tier?
AeroWaffle2 votesYour account was perma-banned after hand review of behavior until you wrote in to Player Support in case the severe behavior was caused by an account compromise and/or to protect others' experience from being ruined.
It's. Right. There.
You asked Tantrum, he answered you. You not accepting the answer is not him failing to answer.
But even ignoring that, what justification was there for my scaling being so ultra-high when I was at zero punishment tier?
Since it was a manual review ban, that implies that the poor behavior was from something that wasn't caught by the automatic system.
You even replied to one of the posts with;
[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=seLkO3ZM,comment-id=0002000000000000000000020000000000020000,timestamp=2016-09-15T19:28:24.638+0000)
If the conclusion of the Rioter that manually reviewed my case was that the reports were not false (At least in the majority) then that would make more sense.
And Tantrum confirmed this was the case
Dominick Destine1 votesIt's. Right. There.
Evidence. Contradicts. That. Statement.
Since it was a manual review ban, that implies that the poor behavior was from something that wasn't caught by the automatic system.
Ok. I accept that.
Now, if my toxicity was low enough to not be "Caught" by the automatic system, how can that justify such an extreme punishment?
And Tantrum confirmed this was the case
What's your point?
That makes more sense yes, but that doesn't justify what was done to me.....
AeroWaffle1 votesEvidence. Contradicts. That. Statement.
I searched in vain for where you posted the responses from Riot support, so I'm working off the information you gave here which you said,
I received an email saying I was permanently suspended. I talked to support and they said I was permanently suspended for toxicity.
and Tantrum's reply encompases that;
Your account was perma-banned after hand review of behavior until you wrote in to Player Support in case the severe behavior was caused by an account compromise and/or to protect others' experience from being ruined.
.
Now, if my toxicity was low enough to not be "Caught" by the automatic system, how can that justify such an extreme punishment?
The system doesn't catch all forms of poor behavior. There are probably dozens different specific ways to be a huge asshole that the system is simply not capable of judging. That's what the manual reviews are for.
Dominick Destine1 votesI searched in vain for where you posted the responses from Riot support
rubs temples Oh really? searched in vain? 2 seconds of google searching later; http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/oob5BLxv-account-has-been-permanently-suspended-probably-a-glitch-in-the-system
Read the original post .... all of the information is there except for the chat logs which I received way later. I can provide them if you want, I can tell you right now that they are not a zero-to-permaban level chat log.
Bettnachleger1 votesNow, if my toxicity was low enough to not be "Caught" by the automatic system, how can that justify such an extreme punishment?
Maybe ... but just maybe ... because you were one of the most reported players in all of NA!? You were toxic in a lot of games. Even if its mild toxicity, if you're toxic in almost every game, you deserve a punishment.
Dominick Destine1 votesMaybe ... but just maybe ... because you were one of the most reported players in all of NA!? You were toxic in a lot of games. Even if its mild toxicity, if you're toxic in almost every game, you deserve a punishment.
I don't see your point.
I never denied being toxic and I never said I didn't deserve punishment. My argument is that I should never have been hit with a zero-to-permaban punishment for what was blatantly NOT high toxicity, it was low-to-moderate.
Kei1432 votesSo ... lets try to change the logic of the flow of events here:
There, does this chain of events make more sense to you?
Dominick Destine1 votesSo ... lets try to change the logic of the flow of events here
That makes no sense, what matters is what is factual and chronological, not.... whatever it is you're trying to do.
- You were super toxic and recieved lots of reports
I was never "super toxic", my toxicity was determined to be low-to-medium.
- Riot reviewed your account, seeing large amounts of toxicity, but also thinking it can be compromised (ie. the hacker is toxic)
That is their current argument but it is not supported by the facts.
- Perma-suspended your account until you wrote in.
It took several days and multiple back-and-forth leading up to a second review where it was finally determined that my toxicity was not meriting such an extreme punishment.
It had nothing to do with "Hey you wrote in and they were like, cool now you're unbanned". It was a long, excrutiating process where it had to be slowly determined if the original punishment was justified or not; It was not.
- Had to put a reason in, it was started from toxicity, so toxicity it is.
I was told from very early on that it was toxicity.
You are pretending like it was just some sort of accident, it was not.
- You emailed support asking for the reason of ban
I never emailed anyone.
- Support (tier1 customer service) can't see all the details / history, but can see the reason for permaban: Toxicity. Which is what they told you
I will accept this statement, it is entirely possible that that's what happened.
- After verifying your identity, they know you were toxic for real
That makes no sense.
Toxicity was never a question, only the level of toxicity relative to the extreme punishment doled out.
- Gave you the proper punishment - "14-day ban" cos you skipped punishment tiers
And right there; RIGHT THERE.
That is my question, for what reason was my punishment so extreme given the low level of toxicity exhibited? ok low to mid level, but my point stands.
- Complain about system being Draconian
The system is draconian.
Making that statement is not a complaint.
There, does this chain of events make more sense to you?
Your argument was nonsense in both defying the facts and being chronologically inconsistent.
Kei1431 votesHEY !!
DON'T FORGET ABOUT TO BREAK DOWN YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT "???" AND "PROFIT" !!
THOSE ARE CRUCIAL TO THE ARGUMENT !!
cuddlykitten41 votesYou're not looking for the answer to a question. You're looking for someone to give you the answer you WANT (now this time I did bold the word) to a question. It's funny how you're saying almost word for word the same things you said in that thread you made. That means you've said it enough that it's basically scripted in your head. This may come off mean, but I feel so very sorry for you, not for your bans or anything like that, but for the fact that I really don't think you are capable of allowing yourself to comprehend when you do something wrong. Life is going to be long and hard for you my friend, it really truly is.
cuddlykitten41 votesNow, I won't even bother giving you the time to respond in this thread before I go back to ignoring you. You are now back in the "not receiving responses from kitten" zone. This time you will be kitten banned in every thread.
Dominick Destine1 votesYou're not looking for the answer to a question.
Yes, I am.
Bettnachleger4 votesBut ... the draconian system of leftists and feminists bla bla blaaaa
Deep Terror Nami1 votesOh hey, Tantram just gave a nice source for this; http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ebWsBPQs-trolling-banable?comment=0004
Senpai Smiter1 votesNot like this dude
Kaioko1 votesI understand the lag and I understand doing poorly in a game. Where your argument falls apart is the whole building 5 tears on Ryze, Warwick and Tresh just to name a few in the past couple of games you've had. This is also done in both ranked and normal (not that it matters much because it's disrespectful every time).
Brain Errör 4041 votesHe sold his items at the end of all those games. The Ryze game, looks to me he accidentally bought 2 tears or was trying a different build.
Randomonium1 votesBan was 100% deserved. You were not banned because of connection issues, you were banned because you were obviously trolling the game. You went 1/16/5 on Ryze. You bought 5 tears at the 25 minute mark. Then at the 26 minute mark you just sat in base swapping between trinkets over 40 times. Then at 30 minutes you sold your tears and bought a runaan's and a BF sword. Then at 31 minutes you sold all that and bought a cull and 3 stingers. At 33 and 34 minutes you bought 2 more daggers. Then at 35 minutes you sold all of it and bought 4 tears again.
Seriously man, take some responsibility for your actions. Its just pathetic when people troll and then they try to whine and say they did nothing wrong.
