Suicide/Stricter polices

Exbravo·Jun 17, 2016·15 votes·3,180 views

Riot,

I come to this board to ask for help you need to do something about the summoners telling other players to KYS, Or Commit suicide I take this very serious as a lot of people should this is not a joke.. I was in the military and knew a lot of soilders who took there own lifes and it hurts me so much to see people tell others to do this and laugh about it like its not a big deal and theres people out there that would seriously probably do it if someone told them to do it Video game or not this crap needs to be addressed I'm tired of hearing it in every single game I play I mute them immediately but it still is effecting me more then I though it would and I report every person who does it but, i'm guessing nothing gets done about if because if you guys were to ban that many people who actually tell other players to do this act you all would be losing profit from it... I COME TO THIS DISCUSSION FOR HELP A PLEA OF ALL SUMMONERS this needs to stop please do something about these people.. And also its a warning because if someone actually does do it. What a tragedy it would be.. :/ HELP

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AraMoOseJun 17, 20162 votes

There are pretty strict policies as it is.

Please stop thinking people are idiots who would kill themselves because some moron told them to do so in a video game. As a person with a mental health diagnosis longer than my arm, I find your (although certainly well intentioned) words and actions EXTREMELY condescending and somewhat insulting. We are not stupid, we are ill.

Report the offending party, and if you really want to help the victim, say something positive to them. I'm a fan of saying "For what it's worth, I'm enjoying playing with you" or, if I feel a bit more jokey "I love you!"

ExbravoJun 17, 20164 votes

I don't see how my comments are insulting.. and you would be surprised on how drastic people can be that's just one thing that can someone off that's already on edge But, ok I'm just trying to bring some attention to this because I feel people don't take this serious at all. I can understand your Diagnosis. Its the reason I was medically discharged from the military. I'll try and be kind though you got a good point on that.

AraMoOseJun 17, 20162 votes

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I don't see how my comments are insulting.. and you would be surprised on how drastic people can be that's just one thing that can someone off that's already on edge But, ok I'm just trying to bring some attention to this because I feel people don't take this serious at all. I can understand your Diagnosis. Its the reason I was medically discharged from the military. I'll try and be kind though you got a good point on that.

Insulting may be a little strong, I can agree with that. Condescending is not something I am backing away from. The person who speaks in the way you described will lose their account very quickly. And I can assure you that people are not in danger from being told by morons on the internet to kill themselves. It can certainly cause anxiety and irritation, which you can help mediate by your positive and friendly attitude. Thanks for your concern.

(And thanks for your service by the way)

ExbravoJun 17, 20162 votes

I feel it Thanks for the support!

Mister PunchesJun 17, 20161 votes

Please stop thinking people are idiots who would kill themselves because some moron told them to do so in a video game.

Given enough verbal abuse and enough of a push, people WILL do things like that, and it's not because of them being idiots. Psychologically, it doesn't really matter if a person gets a whole bunch of nice compliments all day. One bad insult or comment can ruin a person's whole life, as that negative message sticks out compared to the positive messages.

I've already had to deal with one of my friends attempting suicide back when we were in high school because, at least in Call of Duty, the kids in there don't know when to stop crossing the line. It's also noticeable in here too that players do not know when to go from competitive chat to downright insulting and often, toxic chat, seeing as my last game, I had a Soraka in my team telling me I was "cancer and that I should kill myself to make League a better place with one less retard in the game".

It's at this point where I'm desensitized by the toxic community. I reported the verbal abuse, but hey, chances are, it's not going to get the person banned because it's only one report, and my reports are pretty worthless at this point.

GrithokJun 18, 20161 votes

I stand with Exbravo here a bit. I don't have any metal record, but my service record is as long as my arm, and I was an 11b just the same is the OP, if his name is anything to go on. A lot of good men killed themselves over some stuff that seems really petty in retrospect. It's scary knowing your battle buddy had so much on his plate that he felt the only way out is the final one. You might find it insulting, but people with issues lesser than yours, by your account, have taken that way out too many times to count.

AraMoOseJun 18, 20161 votes

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I stand with Exbravo here a bit. I don't have any metal record, but my service record is as long as my arm, and I was an 11b just the same is the OP, if his name is anything to go on. A lot of good men killed themselves over some stuff that seems really petty in retrospect. It's scary knowing your battle buddy had so much on his plate that he felt the only way out is the final one. You might find it insulting, but people with issues lesser than yours, by your account, have taken that way out too many times to count.

Hi, I'm not sure I understand your statement here. I'm not sure how your being in the military is in any way relevant to the discussion at hand, but thank you for your service nonetheless. Plenty of people have killed themselves for reasons that weren't reasonable. This is something we are in agreement on, especially given that there is virtually no reasonable reason to kill oneself.

 What we are not in agreement on is the connection between the suicide and the request by an idiot you have met only once in a video game. You have not established such a connection. 

         The more I think about it the more I wonder why this is relevant at all, since we also presumably both agree that telling someone to kill oneself is a form of harassment which we don't want to have in our gaming community.

RedTaoJun 21, 20161 votes

He's expressing his own personal account of the matter by saying where he saw it at. I'm a veteran as well and I can tell you as well that he's spot on with his account. I couldn't begin to tell you how many people came to me because they were thinking of ending themselves for one reason or another. Some reasons were because of personal lives, others were from military lifestyle. (More often than not it was military related).

A category of people who do kill themselves are people who get told something so often that eventually they start believing it for themselves. If you have a kid who's been told they're stupid for years on end and never acknoledge most/all of their attempts to change your mind, they'll go through life actually thinking they're the stupidest person in the world. When they latch on to that idea that's constantly being reinforced into them, it starts to make more sense to them that the only way for people to not have to put up with their stupidity is to get rid of themselves permanently.

It's the same idea in game. If people are consistantly being told they're sh*t and should go kill themselves, there will be people who will at some point actually start believing those words and end up reinforcing it themselves. It's not like players are noticing that they're actually trying not to mess everything up for everyone. However it's just easier for people to just assume everyone is out to "ruin" everything for them, creating this community of people who like to say that everyone else is a troll for whatever reason.

AraMoOseJun 21, 20161 votes

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He's expressing his own personal account of the matter by saying where he saw it at. I'm a veteran as well and I can tell you as well that he's spot on with his account. I couldn't begin to tell you how many people came to me because they were thinking of ending themselves for one reason or another. Some reasons were because of personal lives, others were from military lifestyle. (More often than not it was military related).

A category of people who do kill themselves are people who get told something so often that eventually they start believing it for themselves. If you have a kid who's been told they're stupid for years on end and never acknoledge most/all of their attempts to change your mind, they'll go through life actually thinking they're the stupidest person in the world. When they latch on to that idea that's constantly being reinforced into them, it starts to make more sense to them that the only way for people to not have to put up with their stupidity is to get rid of themselves permanently.

It's the same idea in game. If people are consistantly being told they're sh*t and should go kill themselves, there will be people who will at some point actually start believing those words and end up reinforcing it themselves. It's not like players are noticing that they're actually trying not to mess everything up for everyone. However it's just easier for people to just assume everyone is out to "ruin" everything for them, creating this community of people who like to say that everyone else is a troll for whatever reason.

    Respectfully, I have several reasons to doubt your claims of being a veteran, not the least of which being that you are trying to draw a comparison between military service and League of Legends as if these two things have anything in common. Or the fact that you seem to think that our veterans have psychological scars because "People told them they were stupid".

I have immense respect for the men and women who put their lives at risk to protect their fellow citizens. Their sacrifice is heroic and commendable, but it does not grant them any credentials is psychology. Nor does it mean we have to agree with anyone who tells us they are a veteran on the internet.

 Let's move on, this discussion is not productive, we are in agreement that telling people to kill themselves is not acceptable behavior. We disagree about Riot's responsibility on the matter, and about the need for a specific punishment for the behavior, but it seems we are not going to reach a common ground on the issue. In light of this, I propose a dance off to settle the debate once and for all.

gets jiggy wit it

Oh and of course, in the off chance you really are a veteran, I want to thank you for your service.

RedTaoJun 21, 20161 votes

First off, I wasn't arguing with you. You didn't see why he used his personal accounts while in service as an example, I was trying to clarify for you. I wasn't trying to argue with you. If I came off as being offensive, I apoligize for that.

If you need to see my DD214 stating I'm honorably discharged, I'm more than happy to submit a photo to show I'm indeed a veteran. Just let me know how it can be submitted in a method that you won't interpret as "This could be anyone" that everyone likes to do in boards and I will do so to the best of my abilities.

I have several reasons to doubt your claims of being a veteran, not the least of which being that you are trying to draw a comparison between military service and League of Legends as if these two things have anything in common. Or the fact that you seem to think that our veterans have psychological scars because "People told them they were stupid".

If you have a kid who's been told they're stupid for years on end and never acknowledge most/all of their attempts to change your mind, they'll go through life actually thinking they're the stupidest person in the world.

^ Nowhere in my example did I say that the metaphorical kid was a service member.

Their sacrifice is heroic and commendable, but it does not grant them any credentials is psychology.

You say this as if soldier do not have the ability to go to school and take psychology 101 (School is free with us, so we can). You also seem to give that impression that the military does not have programs in place that they send us to to teach us what we're dealing with and how to approach it (Which we do.)

I've gone to psychology 101, so it's not like I have no merit (it doesn't make me a professional either). I've actually had to assist and redirect people to higher echelons of care so it's not like you need a PHD in Psychology in order to help someone in psychological distress. Being the medic in a Cavalry unit, we're usually the first people that soldiers in our unit go to for almost any personal health issues (The first would be their friends, then us) You have people with friends all over the world who just tell someone that what other people are saying are wrong, sometimes that's all that's needed.

AraMoOseJun 21, 20161 votes

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First off, I wasn't arguing with you. You didn't see why he used his personal accounts while in service as an example, I was trying to clarify for you. I wasn't trying to argue with you. If I came off as being offensive, I apoligize for that.

If you need to see my DD214 stating I'm honorably discharged, I'm more than happy to submit a photo to show I'm indeed a veteran. Just let me know how it can be submitted in a method that you won't interpret as "This could be anyone" that everyone likes to do in boards and I will do so to the best of my abilities.

^ Nowhere in my example did I say that the metaphorical kid was a service member.

You say this as if soldier do not have the ability to go to school and take psychology 101 (School is free with us, so we can). You also seem to give that impression that the military does not have programs in place that they send us to to teach us what we're dealing with and how to approach it (Which we do.)

I've gone to psychology 101, so it's not like I have no merit (it doesn't make me a professional either). I've actually had to assist and redirect people to higher echelons of care so it's not like you need a PHD in Psychology in order to help someone in psychological distress. Being the medic in a Cavalry unit, we're usually the first people that soldiers in our unit go to for almost any personal health issues (The first would be their friends, then us) You have people with friends all over the world who just tell someone that what other people are saying are wrong, sometimes that's all that's needed.

No you do not need to show me any military credentials as I've already stated it bears no relevance to the discussion at hand.
I am not responsible for the impressions you get out of what I say. I say this in response to the comment "you give the impression that the military does not have programs...". I said nothing about such programs, the impression is one YOU got, not one I gave. This might just be a linguistic misunderstanding, but I thought it was important to specify.
I've never argued that a soldier could not also have a background in psychology. In this circumstance, the background in psychology is the relevant credential to refer to, not the military service.
Why do you bring up the military at all if it bears no relevance to your hypothetical scenario? I don't mean to accuse you of anything, since I've otherwise gotten a vibe of honest discussion from you, but I'm sure you're aware of people who drop the "I'm a Veteran" card (sometimes falsely) in order to gain sympathy points. If you are a Veteran, I'm sure you are equally irritated by this practise. As per point 1, maybe you are a veteran, maybe you're not. But the discussion here is "Does a stranger in a video game typing 'kill yourself' actually lead people to kill themselves". Telling me you've met suicidal soldiers does not really factor into this question.
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             I have gotten some value out of this discussion, so I would like to encourage you to continue it should you desire to do so. I'm still waiting for your contribution to the dance off though...
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RedTaoJun 22, 20161 votes

I brought up military because it's just as relevant to them as it is to civilians. When you said you didn't see why military were brought up when the other guy said he sees it there, I wanted to clarify that he was stating that he's seen stuff like this while he was in service. I have too so it's where I drew my personal experience with people going through times of suicidal tendencies.

You don't think we in service don't have to go through days of constantly being told we F up? We have those people in service that just loves being there to point out all your flaws and failures and rub your face in them just like people not in service. So when I gave the example with the child being told their stupid, this is just as relevant to anyone in the world.

It's process that leads to suicide that you need to look at. It all starts with an outside stimuli (People pointing out your failures) depending on the amount of exposure to this stimuli can determine how quickly people start to actually begin to believe in it themselves. The moment people start believing in the things other people tell them, that's when it's no longer just there when they're there. It's now something that's being told to themselves around the clock. From there it's a matter of how much they hold on to this idea that is now stuck in their head that it eventually leads to people wanting to use permanant solutions for temporary/irrelevant problems.

Don't be stuck on the idea that there's no correlation between people being told to kill themselves and military. There are people everywhere in all job fields that have to deal with someone filling other peoples thoughts with all sorts of things that make people think that ending themselves is the only solution available. If we had this experiences while we were in service, then that's just where we got our experience with these things. We're not saying that it's special because we saw in in the military.

Stasis691Jun 17, 20162 votes

My last game I was told KMS and that someone hoped I was killed in a mass shooting.

I was banned. The Zed kept playing and a few games later got a leave. I did not retaliate, to them or to the Draven on my team who committed 3 reportable offenses.

http://i.imgur.com/dpzypQS.png http://i.imgur.com/658ziUp.png

I don't leave. I don't intentionally feed. I don't curse or berate teammates and very most often will mute offenders.

ExbravoJun 17, 20161 votes

Why did you get banned?? Ya it happens to often :/ that is why I made this post

Stasis691Jun 17, 20162 votes

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Why did you get banned?? Ya it happens to often :/ that is why I made this post

I did not get any emails. I made a super concerted effort to not get myself in a position to get in trouble on this account. I have said some things like "dumb xxxx (an op champ) when for example like an Irelia would just destroy your team but even in that context it would just be a simple objective statement. If I got a "justified" ban then this game is worse than kindergarten.

Again, keep in mind tho that the Zed's account is still in good standing after telling me he hopes I'm killed in mass shooting.

AraMoOseJun 17, 20161 votes

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My last game I was told KMS and that someone hoped I was killed in a mass shooting.

I was banned. The Zed kept playing and a few games later got a leave. I did not retaliate, to them or to the Draven on my team who committed 3 reportable offenses.

http://i.imgur.com/dpzypQS.png http://i.imgur.com/658ziUp.png

I don't leave. I don't intentionally feed. I don't curse or berate teammates and very most often will mute offenders.

What was the reason for the ban? If you try to login, what does it say? Did you get any chatlogs? If you did you can post them here and I can look them over for you.

Stasis691Jun 17, 20161 votes

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What was the reason for the ban? If you try to login, what does it say? Did you get any chatlogs? If you did you can post them here and I can look them over for you.

I did not get an email.

http://i.imgur.com/bXzEETT.jpg

My email is and has been verified. No chat logs and no idea what I did, tho I've very highly inclined to believe I did nothing worth of punishment and I am being stymied in my attempt to climb and will just have to "wait" for this mistake to be rectified. So frustrating.

AraMoOseJun 17, 20161 votes

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I did not get an email.

http://i.imgur.com/bXzEETT.jpg

My email is and has been verified. No chat logs and no idea what I did, tho I've very highly inclined to believe I did nothing worth of punishment and I am being stymied in my attempt to climb and will just have to "wait" for this mistake to be rectified. So frustrating.

I did not ask about your email, I asked what it said when you tried to log in. I can't see the image and when I try to make it larger, the text is out of focus. What does it say?

Stasis691Jun 17, 20161 votes

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I did not ask about your email, I asked what it said when you tried to log in. I can't see the image and when I try to make it larger, the text is out of focus. What does it say?

"This account has been suspended until June 30, 2016. Please check the email associated with the account for additional details."

AraMoOseJun 17, 20161 votes

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"This account has been suspended until June 30, 2016. Please check the email associated with the account for additional details."

Thank you, given that not chat logs were provided in the log on message, it seems unlikely to me that this is a chat related ban. It could have to do with leaverbuster, but I think it is far more likely to do with in game behavior.

I don't know you or anything about your specific case, but if I was to speculate, I would suppose it might be the behavior you were engaging in that led to the Zed telling you to kill yourself. Perhaps some sneaky behavior that you thought the system wouldn't pick up on? Again I don't know this, and you have nothing to prove to me, but if this supposition is correct, you would more than likely know what the behavior was in the first place.

Otherwise, your support ticket will likely be answered within the next few week days, provided that you don't continually update it.

Stasis691Jun 17, 20161 votes

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Thank you, given that not chat logs were provided in the log on message, it seems unlikely to me that this is a chat related ban. It could have to do with leaverbuster, but I think it is far more likely to do with in game behavior.

I don't know you or anything about your specific case, but if I was to speculate, I would suppose it might be the behavior you were engaging in that led to the Zed telling you to kill yourself. Perhaps some sneaky behavior that you thought the system wouldn't pick up on? Again I don't know this, and you have nothing to prove to me, but if this supposition is correct, you would more than likely know what the behavior was in the first place.

Otherwise, your support ticket will likely be answered within the next few week days, provided that you don't continually update it.

I have replay of the game. I did not interact with the enemy team in a negative manner.

Stasis691Jun 17, 20161 votes

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Thank you, given that not chat logs were provided in the log on message, it seems unlikely to me that this is a chat related ban. It could have to do with leaverbuster, but I think it is far more likely to do with in game behavior.

I don't know you or anything about your specific case, but if I was to speculate, I would suppose it might be the behavior you were engaging in that led to the Zed telling you to kill yourself. Perhaps some sneaky behavior that you thought the system wouldn't pick up on? Again I don't know this, and you have nothing to prove to me, but if this supposition is correct, you would more than likely know what the behavior was in the first place.

Otherwise, your support ticket will likely be answered within the next few week days, provided that you don't continually update it.

I am currently uploading the replay to youtube.

AraMoOseJun 17, 20161 votes

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I am currently uploading the replay to youtube.

There is nothing to confirm that this is the game that got you suspended. I could show you tons of pictures of me not stealing anything, that doesn't mean I never stole anything. Again I feel it's important to point out I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm simply trying to explain why the video you are uploading doesn't prove anything.

Stasis691Jun 17, 20161 votes

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There is nothing to confirm that this is the game that got you suspended. I could show you tons of pictures of me not stealing anything, that doesn't mean I never stole anything. Again I feel it's important to point out I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm simply trying to explain why the video you are uploading doesn't prove anything.

Well, you did speculate and imply that I possibly provoked the action, whereas the replay would show not only did I not interact with the Zed but I also asked our toxic, harassing, also should be banned Draven to please calm down and do his best to play the game even tho he was busy the entire game harassing the Leona.

This isn't even necessarily about me on this thread. But I can say that I have literally never sworn except saying damn once and I even immediately amended it to dang* I made a very concerted effort to not get in trouble yet here I am banned while the player saying KYS and the other playing saying "get killed in mass shooting" get to keep playing and then not only that but accrue a leave 3 games later.

AraMoOseJun 17, 20161 votes

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Well, you did speculate and imply that I possibly provoked the action, whereas the replay would show not only did I not interact with the Zed but I also asked our toxic, harassing, also should be banned Draven to please calm down and do his best to play the game even tho he was busy the entire game harassing the Leona.

This isn't even necessarily about me on this thread. But I can say that I have literally never sworn except saying damn once and I even immediately amended it to dang* I made a very concerted effort to not get in trouble yet here I am banned while the player saying KYS and the other playing saying "get killed in mass shooting" get to keep playing and then not only that but accrue a leave 3 games later.

Yes, I understand this could possibly prove you did nothing in THAT game. But my speculation was only one of the possible reasons you could have received a punishment.

With respect to your second paragraph, I feel it's important to remind you you are allowed to use swear words, this game is rated for 13 years and up. Feel free to continue using euphemisms, but it is in no way required, provided that you are not using these words to attack or demean anyone.

 I also feel compelled to ask. Did you report the zed?

Finally I want to remind you that the Zed's case is in no way relevant to yours. They are two separate issues that should not be conflated.

Stasis691Jun 17, 20161 votes

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Yes, I understand this could possibly prove you did nothing in THAT game. But my speculation was only one of the possible reasons you could have received a punishment.

With respect to your second paragraph, I feel it's important to remind you you are allowed to use swear words, this game is rated for 13 years and up. Feel free to continue using euphemisms, but it is in no way required, provided that you are not using these words to attack or demean anyone.
 I also feel compelled to ask. Did you report the zed?
Finally I want to remind you that the Zed's case is in no way relevant to yours. They are two separate issues that should not be conflated.

I feel it's important to correct you, you are NOT allowed to curse.

Via: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201898070#h1q1

"The Instant Feedback System was developed by Riot Games so that players in the League of Legends community can dictate what conduct they consider inappropriate for a positive gameplay environment. Regardless of the circumstances (such as provocation), behaviors such as in-game taunting, harassment, cursing, offensive remarks, intentionally feeding, intentionally not making a contribution to your team, etc., will be reported and likely punished by the Instant Feedback System."

Being familiar with this, I am already aware that Zed's case is in no way relevant to mine. What is relevant is Zed's actions to this thread. He is unpunished, I finish a game wish him and his troll team and I end up banned with no explanation. I have never, no matter how much you may assume or speculate my guilt, done anything even close to that.

Also, I don't believe I had the chance to report the Zed. I may have but I may not have gotten the chance. I went to do something after the frustrating game, not having left the postgame. I noticed the screen grey in the background and got a popup saying this summoner has been banned.

Scary DoorJun 17, 20161 votes

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My last game I was told KMS and that someone hoped I was killed in a mass shooting.

I was banned. The Zed kept playing and a few games later got a leave. I did not retaliate, to them or to the Draven on my team who committed 3 reportable offenses.

http://i.imgur.com/dpzypQS.png http://i.imgur.com/658ziUp.png

I don't leave. I don't intentionally feed. I don't curse or berate teammates and very most often will mute offenders.

Sorry to call bullshit, but I'm going to have to. I've seen far too many people proclaim innocence when it comes to toxicity. I completely believe that the person told you to "kill yourself" or some other variation thereof, however I don't accept that you didn't say some inappropriate things to that individual or others on your team. If you have been banned then it means you have exhibited behavior that sent you up the punishment ladder previously---which includes chat restrictions and a 14 day suspension.

If you log into the client, it will show you why you were banned as there is a reform card there.

Honesty is the best policy.

Stasis691Jun 17, 20161 votes

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Sorry to call bullshit, but I'm going to have to. I've seen far too many people proclaim innocence when it comes to toxicity. I completely believe that the person told you to "kill yourself" or some other variation thereof, however I don't accept that you didn't say some inappropriate things to that individual or others on your team. If you have been banned then it means you have exhibited behavior that sent you up the punishment ladder previously---which includes chat restrictions and a 14 day suspension.

If you log into the client, it will show you why you were banned as there is a reform card there.

Honesty is the best policy.

And what if you are proven wrong, which is easily achievable?

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/74jPEMrt-this-account-has-been-suspended-never-gotten-chat-restrict-or-ban

Please inform yourself before speaking out in ignorance. Humility is also a good policy.

Scary DoorJun 17, 20161 votes

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And what if you are proven wrong, which is easily achievable?

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/74jPEMrt-this-account-has-been-suspended-never-gotten-chat-restrict-or-ban

Please inform yourself before speaking out in ignorance. Humility is also a good policy.

I already said I believed that they said something inflammatory, but how do I know that you didn't respond negatively? (perhaps in the post game chat).

Based upon how you responded to me with "please inform yourself before speaking out of ignorance" rather than simply just stating your case in a way that wasn't completely douchie, I'm inclined to believe your punishment was likely deserved.

But I'm hoping a Rioter comes in here and either confirms my suspicions or vindicates you... the smart money is on you being toxic based on the history of the forums, but who knows, maybe I'm wrong.

Also, I saw their comment about the mass shooting and that is unacceptable as well, but maybe you should try to respond in a way that isn't so ... patronizing.

Stasis691Jun 17, 20162 votes

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I already said I believed that they said something inflammatory, but how do I know that you didn't respond negatively? (perhaps in the post game chat).

Based upon how you responded to me with "please inform yourself before speaking out of ignorance" rather than simply just stating your case in a way that wasn't completely douchie, I'm inclined to believe your punishment was likely deserved.

But I'm hoping a Rioter comes in here and either confirms my suspicions or vindicates you... the smart money is on you being toxic based on the history of the forums, but who knows, maybe I'm wrong.

Also, I saw their comment about the mass shooting and that is unacceptable as well, but maybe you should try to respond in a way that isn't so ... patronizing.

I simply reciprocated your attitude, with wit. I don't appreciate the baseless "calling bullshit" (which is more coarse language than any I have ever used in game) and then continuing; implying that I either provoked or reacted to it. I made a very concerted effort to refrain from any action that could be deemed punishable or that could incur bannable violations.

If you bothered looking at my other thread, I currently have 200gb worth of replays that contain every one of my actions. You are welcome to pick any game from that file (including the specific one in question, the one that you do not accept that I did not react) and review it and tell me if you deem any of my actions worth of a two week ban. Then you would know definitively.

ABlueQuakerJun 17, 20162 votes

tbh words and phrases like that need to be blacklisted so that if some dickhead says it in game, upon the game's conclusion they get a nice shiny message telling them to fuck off out of the LoL community permanently.

There are very few scenarios where I'd agree with zero tolerance policies, but this certainly is an appropriate scenario for it.

Mister PunchesJun 17, 20162 votes

Hey, I feel you, OP. The game is pretty bad right now when it comes to toxicity, as there is a LOT of it. I've also experienced it quite recently myself (my last game), and I'll level with you: If I had a say in it, I'd definitely be extremely Draconic when it comes to putting out punishment against people who tell others to kill themselves, or extreme verbal abuse.

I don't tolerate that kind of mentality in games, and I definitely don't tolerate that kind of attitude and speech in real life.

Thank you for your service, by the way.

Rand0mH3r0XJun 17, 20161 votes

KYS is instantly punishable, and there are flag words. Kys, gg ez, etc. are all flagging words. Once you report, the system will instantly check, verify, and issue punishment.

Stasis691Jun 17, 20162 votes

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KYS is instantly punishable, and there are flag words. Kys, gg ez, etc. are all flagging words. Once you report, the system will instantly check, verify, and issue punishment.

Well:

http://i.imgur.com/dpzypQS.png

If you look at my na.op (http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Stasis691) and do your own research, you'll notice the Zed not only did not get punished from that game, but a few games later he received a "Leave."

Eevee In A JarJun 17, 20161 votes

I'm pretty sure you can't get banned for saying GG EZ. And if you CAN get banned for it, it isn't in the same flagging category as "KYS." The insta-ban flag on words is probably on "KYS, racial slurs like n word, or homophobic/etc."

If you lost, you lost. I mean yeah it would be great if everyone had good sportsmanship but that's not how the world works. By technicality, the winning team in sports can talk as much trash as they want. That's their right as a player who has overcome the opposing team. Of course I respect players who understand the importance of sportsmanship and what it actually represents and look down on players who have bad attitude but the reality is still fact. But there is a difference between trash talking and crossing the line. When you're with your buddies, it's generally accepted to trash talk or shit talk each other for fun. But you know what is crossing the line and you DON'T do it. The same applies here.

Also the words GG EZ has never killed anyone. Meanwhile things like "kill yourself" could cause someone with emotional instability to commit suicide. Things like racial slurs or anti homo-sexual insults could push these people towards the edge. After all, the world has had uncountable history of lynching people over race or being gay. Therefore antagonizing behavior towards either are looked down upon because to harbor such feelings would eventually bring upon another generation of people who could lynch others.

Stasis691Jun 17, 20161 votes

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I'm pretty sure you can't get banned for saying GG EZ. And if you CAN get banned for it, it isn't in the same flagging category as "KYS." The insta-ban flag on words is probably on "KYS, racial slurs like n word, or homophobic/etc."

If you lost, you lost. I mean yeah it would be great if everyone had good sportsmanship but that's not how the world works. By technicality, the winning team in sports can talk as much trash as they want. That's their right as a player who has overcome the opposing team. Of course I respect players who understand the importance of sportsmanship and what it actually represents and look down on players who have bad attitude but the reality is still fact. But there is a difference between trash talking and crossing the line. When you're with your buddies, it's generally accepted to trash talk or shit talk each other for fun. But you know what is crossing the line and you DON'T do it. The same applies here.

Also the words GG EZ has never killed anyone. Meanwhile things like "kill yourself" could cause someone with emotional instability to commit suicide. Things like racial slurs or anti homo-sexual insults could push these people towards the edge. After all, the world has had uncountable history of lynching people over race or being gay. Therefore antagonizing behavior towards either are looked down upon because to harbor such feelings would eventually bring upon another generation of people who could lynch others.

I've never even said "GG EZ" and I'm banned with no explanation and the "KYS"er is punishment free.

Rand0mH3r0XJun 17, 20161 votes

I didn't say anything about bans.

GG EZ, flagging words, etc have already been discussed in detail elsewhere years ago.

Mister PunchesJun 17, 20161 votes

Huh, if I knew that "gg ez" was a flag phrase that would be an instant punish, then I would be reporting every single game I play in.

I have never seen someone banned for saying "gg ez", even though they are giant d-bags for typing that. It ruins the sportsman conduct in the game with that kind of phrase, but I have never seen someone banned for it.

Laaaata BitchJun 17, 20161 votes

Riot doesn't care. I heard a kid messaged them saying something along the lines of "Un ban my account or I will kill myself" they send you an automated response and he killed himself. Will edit with the article if I can find it.

https://terminuscity.wordpress.com/2012/09/15/lol-players-forced-into-hiding-suicide-by-tribunal/

https://www.reddit.com/r/offmychest/comments/2m1k8v/my_friend_attempted_suicide_over_league_of_legends/

AraMoOseJun 17, 20161 votes

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Riot doesn't care. I heard a kid messaged them saying something along the lines of "Un ban my account or I will kill myself" they send you an automated response and he killed himself. Will edit with the article if I can find it.

By "heard", you mean "invented"? That's a neat little trick people do these days "Oh I will look for the evidence and maybe give it later, we'll see"

Laaaata BitchJun 18, 20161 votes

Also, https://www.reddit.com/r/offmychest/comments/2m1k8v/my_friend_attempted_suicide_over_league_of_legends/

and these are just 2 recorded of of the many suicides caused by riot's faulty tribunal system and their lack of care in regards to suicide threats

Laaaata BitchJun 18, 20161 votes

Here is an exact quote of what support says to you if you even mention suicide. Even if you tell them that if you get another automated response that you will kill yourself, they send you this automated response:

"Hello Summoner,

First and foremost, neither I nor anyone at Riot Games want you to hurt yourself.

I have provided a couple links for websites which handle these sorts of concerns, but I also recommend seeking a professional you can speak with directly. I don't want you to feel as though I'm dismissing you, but I'm not in any way qualified to help counsel you, and I don't want to make things worse.

http://www.suicide.org/international-suicide-hotlines.html http://www.suicide.org/ http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ http://www.save.org/"

AraMoOseJun 18, 20162 votes

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Here is an exact quote of what support says to you if you even mention suicide. Even if you tell them that if you get another automated response that you will kill yourself, they send you this automated response:

"Hello Summoner,

First and foremost, neither I nor anyone at Riot Games want you to hurt yourself.

I have provided a couple links for websites which handle these sorts of concerns, but I also recommend seeking a professional you can speak with directly. I don't want you to feel as though I'm dismissing you, but I'm not in any way qualified to help counsel you, and I don't want to make things worse.

http://www.suicide.org/international-suicide-hotlines.html http://www.suicide.org/ http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ http://www.save.org/"

Which sounds exactly like the right thing to say. A gaming company is not in any way qualified to help you with this kind of problem.

Laaaata BitchJun 18, 20161 votes

If someone threatens "Give me my account back or I kill myself" I think the right thing to do would be to unban the kids account. A human life > an account

AraMoOseJun 18, 20162 votes

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If someone threatens "Give me my account back or I kill myself" I think the right thing to do would be to unban the kids account. A human life > an account

Then everyone would pretend to be suicidal to get their account back.

Laaaata BitchJun 18, 20161 votes

What about the serious threats though? Should riot just ignore them and allow kids to kill themselves over their game? We all know their ban system and ideology of a perfect non toxic game is completely fucked.

JorenciceJun 18, 20162 votes

Actually yes they should ignore it.

Because that doesn't work in real life.

Try going to your boss and saying that you will kill yourself if you don't get a raise.

He will simply give you to number to a suicide hotline then fire you because your crazy.

Mr FidoriJun 20, 20161 votes

That's actually really interesting (and good) to know that they've got something for that situation. Even if it's an automated response, it is very well-worded.

Jetridder11Jun 22, 20161 votes

This kind of speaks to me. I've been depressed for about 6 years now and I play LoL a lot to try to not focus on it. Well one morning it was particularly rough. I held a gun to my head but couldn't press the trigger. A few hours went by and I hopped on League. 3rd game in I think and I had someone on my team tell me to "Fucking kill yourself you fucking idiot". I didn't even mess up that much. All I could feel was regret for not pulling it.

People like this are why I never rage. I would never want to make someone hurt...and because of some video game? Pretty stupid reason to tell someone to kill themselves imo.

ExbravoMar 21, 20171 votes

9months later and shit hasnt changed people still spammed kys in chat all day and nothing happens lol.