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CypherFX··3 votes·1,161 views

Hi, so first off i'll tell you what this post is about in general. 1.)Low level players that invite lvl 30+(bronze,gold,diamond,plat) to a game of lvl... say 5,10 or 15 and below, I see this in norm and I see this in aram, what happens? the level 30 seems to kill my entire team and take very little damage while outputting massive damage (yes this can be misinterpreted and looked at as "well if you're not good enough to beat a lvl 30, you're just whining" but it's really not about that, because honestly 50% of the games vs these "cheaters" as I consider it are won which shouldn't happen but still does, so, i've made 3 accounts so far, my main account was banned for verbal abuse, yes I got upset at these players that (while i was on my lvl 30 account after coming back to league after a while) I was lvl 30 playing norms or aram and a plat or diamond would come and completely dominate my team,

I would be the only one that knew the reason they had far better mechanics was because they were much higher rank, and im not talking about just one player im talking about groups of 5 playing with 1 lvl 30 non ranked all gold and above while my team is lvl 25,30,30,23, you get the idea, however i'm not a very passive player, i'm respectful and always help my team when needed and am a team player, but when I see players cheating and abusing a small loophole in the game I have to say something, so what happens? Their team turns it around on me trolling and being toxic while i'm trying to explain the reason they are winning is because they're abusing a small loophole in the game, what happens?

My team turns around on me and says im whining and complaining, I get 9 reports, why? Because I can't say nothing while something unfair is happening, sorry but its not me, so now i'm banned, unjustly on 3 accounts + my lvl 30 that i've had for years, that i've spent money on and because I stood up for myself and other players and called out cheaters, did I deserve to be banned? You know what, maybe, but don't they deserve that as well, because they are not, they're still out there in groups trolling new players and playing fun norms making them unfair and unbalanced just to have "fun" and trolling, they get away with it because they're in a group, while solo players like me are banned for standing up for themselves.

My second problem I have is, lately and especially late at night, there are I would say 50% bots on aram, since domination is no longer there, the bots moved to ARAM, I have reported them multiple times, so have teammates i've played with, also, there are players that (when they get characters they don't like they pretend to be a bot and feed and troll (pick up health pick ups just as other players are trying to get them while they're at full hp, while spamming laugh then feeding some more) while nothing is being done about this, I seen the same player feed in games 5 games last night, he was reported, but still continued doing it.

Higher level players being invited by lower level players, unbalancing the game and I said something about it, i'll be making yet another account today, and i'm pretty sure the same thing will happen :/ so this is my message to Riot support and staff hoping you will do something about this and maybe look through my accounts and check if I was banned because I was upset with cheaters or was I just being toxic? It's very easy for a group of toxic players to get 1 solo player banned, maybe i'm the only one that has the balls to say anything about it, but maybe I can change something, any responses would be nice, I know there will be lots of trolls but lets hear what you have to say and if you can understand what i'm talking about. (I know every player who does this response is:I just want to play with my friends, they're new, when my response everytime is:Why cant you make a new account to play with them why do you have to be on your lvl 30 plat with keystones, 10x the masteries we have and tier 3 runes and every champ in the game, why make it unfair? Where they reply: Lol stop whining, all you do is whine were all reporting you.) Just something to think about^

Question to those who take the time to read this, what should be done about premades, not just in general, but say you're in a situation where you're on a team with lvl 5's and they have 3, lvl 30's, gold or plat that completely dominate your team, your team has no idea that they're much higher level, they rage and get mad, do you keep quiet and not say anything and let them treat new players this way or..? What are your thoughts?

-Lunin

32 Comments

ModWulf Helhammer3 votes

99% of those higher level people playing with lower levels are the new people's friends (usually IRL) who are helping them learn the game

CypherFX2 votes

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99% of those higher level people playing with lower levels are the new people's friends (usually IRL) who are helping them learn the game

Pretty sure you didn't read my whole post, you just skimmed through it like I assumed you would and mentioned, maybe read this part. "(I know every player who does this response is:I just want to play with my friends, they're new, when my response everytime is:Why cant you make a new account to play with them why do you have to be on your lvl 30 plat with keystones, 10x the masteries we have and tier 3 runes and every champ in the game, why make it unfair? Where they reply: Lol stop whining, all you do is whine were all reporting you.)"

iHerring4 votes

The first paragraph is huge. Consider breaking it up into some smaller sections to make it less intimidating for people that don't like reading computer screens so much. http://i.imgur.com/Z9kcfgI.png[/img]

CypherFX1 votes

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The first paragraph is huge. Consider breaking it up into some smaller sections to make it less intimidating for people that don't like reading computer screens so much. http://i.imgur.com/Z9kcfgI.png[/img]

True, if I get a real response to my post I will do that.

Troll Armada1 votes

i love you.

The Enter key is your friend.

Gimpy891 votes

you have no idea how matchmaking works. If you play on your plat account you raise the MMR and you get better opponents to make the game fair. If you play on a smurf you will win 99.9% of the time since your MMR is low and riot balance the enemy team thinking you are a new player.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

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Pretty sure you didn't read my whole post, you just skimmed through it like I assumed you would and mentioned, maybe read this part. "(I know every player who does this response is:I just want to play with my friends, they're new, when my response everytime is:Why cant you make a new account to play with them why do you have to be on your lvl 30 plat with keystones, 10x the masteries we have and tier 3 runes and every champ in the game, why make it unfair? Where they reply: Lol stop whining, all you do is whine were all reporting you.)"

^^^^^^ THIS Having multiple accounts is a thing, if you really want to teach someone this game and its intricacies for the love of all that is good and fair dont do it from your effin Diamond/Master-wit-all-dem-champs-and-runes. I created a new account to try and learn because silver this season is full of smurfs and guys who got hard resets that have more experience. I've been playing less than a year so when the player pools changed I figured starting over would teach me things. Man was I wrong. Every game has been lvl20's and 30's matched with Plat and Gold players and occasional diamonds. None of them bother to offer help or support; they just flame you when you ask for help. Then the games are just one or two players steamrolling while your team struggles to not kill each other in chat. I haven't had a positive conversation with anyone on league in weeks

Troll Armada1 votes

You know enough to where you think you might know what's happening, but, in fact something else, but similar is going on.

The rest of comments are probably crap. Not even going to read them.

As for getting chat bans and account bans.... This is true, and it sucks, but you gotta stop playing while tilted.

It's only natural to get mad when you see something shady going down, and having to act like nothing is happening.

Riot isn't going to do anything substantial about the cheaters (even if they had the capabilities, which they don't) but they will do something about ragers, just learn to not engage these people at all in conversation.

Riot has group-thinked themselves into thinking that in game toxicity is the problem, when it's just a symptom of a larger problem.

Also, when you're negative in chat, it tends to have unintended consequences, and most league players really do believe the troll pinging dragon when you could have had 2 turrets is real. You're not going to convince anyone during the game, and they will just end up thinking you are the problem.

Xesna2 votes

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99% of those higher level people playing with lower levels are the new people's friends (usually IRL) who are helping them learn the game

99% of the time, if the person who's high in level dominates the field, the new player isn't learning squat.

Troll Armada1 votes

99% .... are helping them learn the game

such a noble endeavor!

we are a very lucky community to have such a high percentage of 'helpers'

disregardable2 votes

Queueing up for a game and being matched is not "abusing a loophole". You're raging at people for something that's not a real problem. It's the game functioning as intended. Winning half of the games is literally proof that matchmaking is treating you fairly. Once you're level 30, you'll be able to play ranked and play with people that are the same skill level as you. Until then, normals games are matched around team mmr, not individual mmr. And even then, with the changes they've made to ranked this year, it's still probably more about team mmr.

CypherFX2 votes

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Queueing up for a game and being matched is not "abusing a loophole". You're raging at people for something that's not a real problem. It's the game functioning as intended. Winning half of the games is literally proof that matchmaking is treating you fairly. Once you're level 30, you'll be able to play ranked and play with people that are the same skill level as you. Until then, normals games are matched around team mmr, not individual mmr. And even then, with the changes they've made to ranked this year, it's still probably more about team mmr.

I wasn't saying 50% was won due to it being balanced by the game, 50% was won because we tried harder and even though the game was completely unbalanced due to 2-3 players being much higher levels, we caught them off guard and outplayed them and worked as a team while they solo trolled, matches aren't based off mmr when they're premade, how is it that I get matched with lvl 15 players when im lvl 15 and some players have 3, lvl 30 gold or higher on their team and completely dominate, dominate as in, they have 40 kills while we have 1? lol, the fact that you've overlooked 90% of what I said shows that you didn't completely read my post and are most likely talking not from experience but from a biased look on the actual problem.

disregardable2 votes

you didn't completely read my post and are most likely talking not from experience but from a biased look on the actual problem.

That's a contradictory statement. By speaking from personal experience, you're speaking from bias and ignoring how the system works in general.

CypherFX1 votes

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That's a contradictory statement. By speaking from personal experience, you're speaking from bias and ignoring how the system works in general.

I'm talking about 1 issue, premade groups of 2-5 unbalancing the game, am I talking about matchmaking,mmr system? No, i'm talking about specifically 1 thing, where as you're talking about specifically the opposite of it instead of trying to understand it or even reading entirely what i'm talking about.

disregardable1 votes

The point of the matchmaking system is to match players, regardless of whether they're in a group or not, together so that they have a 50% chance of winning the game. It's accomplishing that. It's not unfair or unbalanced. It's how the game works, and if you don't like it, you can go play something without this queue system.

CypherFX1 votes

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The point of the matchmaking system is to match players, regardless of whether they're in a group or not, together so that they have a 50% chance of winning the game. It's accomplishing that. It's not unfair or unbalanced. It's how the game works, and if you don't like it, you can go play something without this queue system.

Guess I cant stop you from repetitively pointing out the obvious about non premade games, which this topic isn't about, maybe you should move your post to another place, it's accomplishing nothing and helping 0, it's completely negative and biased and is not talking about any points made in my post, just directly pointing out that the game has a mmr system which everyone is well aware of that has nothing to do with playing with premades, it's easy to go to a forum post and have tunnel vision about 1 thing and disregard the rest, but i'm looking for actual answers, not 1/4 answers. I wont further waste my time on someone who has an incorrect view of how premades and MMR system works, later.

disregardable2 votes

It's the only possible response to this post. You have an objectively incorrect view of how the MMR system works.

Gimpy891 votes

LOL if you have a 50% win-rate the system is working as intended. You didn't try harder. You had 4 lanes with slightly better people to make up for that 1 lane with a plat/diamond. the team MMR is the same for both teams its just the enemy had all of it on one player.

CypherFX1 votes

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LOL if you have a 50% win-rate the system is working as intended. You didn't try harder. You had 4 lanes with slightly better people to make up for that 1 lane with a plat/diamond. the team MMR is the same for both teams its just the enemy had all of it on one player.

Again, another post that doesn't help just focuses on one specific useless point that someone else already pointed out, basically a copy/paste to... get attention or..? Also I said more than 1 lvl 30. Please post real responses like Keii143 he had good points, I guess this post is mainly for riot staff because the only responses I will get is from biased premades that play with lower levels, to see that this is becoming a problem not just for me but for all new players that are joining this game.

Troll Armada1 votes

The problem is that something else is going on, and because this guy doesn't frequent the many cheater communities, he doesn't realize what's actually happening.

So he's forming a hypothesis based on the facts he can see.

However, we all know what's really happening, and it's sickening that these programs have been out since at least three years ago and riot has no way to identify and ban these things IMMEDIATELY, not six months later....

Gimpy891 votes

Playing with a friend that is new/bad is not cheating in ANY way. I have introduced several people i know IRL to this game and wouldn't be able to do that if i couldn't play with low levels and teach them the game. This is a ** GAME** in-case you didn't know. Why cant people play with their friends in non-competitive modes?

The only people that are cheating are players that use smurfs to stomp low levels. If you use your main riot will know you will cary hard and will raise the enemy's average MMR to compensate. When playing with a pre-30 ill get an S+ 95% of the time but only win 50%-55% of games since the other 4 lanes will almost always loose lane on my team. (riot uses statistics to make it so each team has a 50% win-chance)

You ARE being toxic and SHOULD be reported. Maybe you will learn not to harass people for literally just playing the game and not get banned again.

BTW name shaming is not allowed on the forums.

CypherFX1 votes

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Playing with a friend that is new/bad is not cheating in ANY way. I have introduced several people i know IRL to this game and wouldn't be able to do that if i couldn't play with low levels and teach them the game. This is a ** GAME** in-case you didn't know. Why cant people play with their friends in non-competitive modes?

The only people that are cheating are players that use smurfs to stomp low levels. If you use your main riot will know you will cary hard and will raise the enemy's average MMR to compensate. When playing with a pre-30 ill get an S+ 95% of the time but only win 50%-55% of games since the other 4 lanes will almost always loose lane on my team.

You ARE being toxic and SHOULD be reported. Maybe you will learn not to harass people for just playing the game and not get banned again.

BTW name shaming is not allowed on the forums.

I completely understand where you're coming from, however, what about players using high levels to troll and act toxic towards new players and show their friends how great they are by carrying them to level 30 instead of just wanting to teach them how to play league and how to act and their premades go along with it act toxic as well and troll and flame, not once in any of this did it say I was harassing people, your approach to this is completely toxic, however you do make one very good point that I didn't know about, that lvl 30's ranks do play a part in the mmr system, maybe saying that instead of coming off like an ass would be better?

Gimpy891 votes

General toxicity is not really an issue with mixed elo premades, it is an issue with individual people and occurs in all game modes/elo.

calling people cheaters and saying they are exploiting a system they are not exploiting is harassment.

Ive been in this situation before. I once had to go a against a D2 (previous masters) Leblanc as a gold3 and it was so easy to win as all i needed to do was play defensive/not die and warn my team when he roamed top/bot. I ended up 3/2/10 (down 35 cs from being very defensive and I didnt get solo lane kills), but she wasn't fed and all the other lanes with an elo advantage did well and we stomped. This is what you should do instead of calling people cheaters.

Level 30 ranks actually aren't used in your normal MMR. Normal games use a separate and hidden mmr system that is like ranked, but it starts at level 1 and is hidden (so if faker made a smurf he would go against diamonds by level 15). However normal MMR is usually similar to your ranked MMR, mine is a division or 2 lower since i play champs i'm bad at in normal and save my good ones for ranked.

CypherFX1 votes

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General toxicity is not really an issue with mixed elo premades, it is an issue with individual people and occurs in all game modes/elo.

calling people cheaters and saying they are exploiting a system they are not exploiting is harassment.

Ive been in this situation before. I once had to go a against a D2 (previous masters) Leblanc as a gold3 and it was so easy to win as all i needed to do was play defensive/not die and warn my team when he roamed top/bot. I ended up 3/2/10 (down 35 cs from being very defensive and I didnt get solo lane kills), but she wasn't fed and all the other lanes with an elo advantage did well and we stomped. This is what you should do instead of calling people cheaters.

Level 30 ranks actually aren't used in your normal MMR. Normal games use a separate and hidden mmr system that is like ranked, but it starts at level 1 and is hidden (so if faker made a smurf he would go against diamonds by level 15). However normal MMR is usually similar to your ranked MMR, mine is a division or 2 lower since i play champs i'm bad at in normal and save my good ones for ranked.

Hmm, actually I asked why they cant make new accounts to play with new account players instead of using their mains, i'm repeating myself because maybe you didnt read this exact same comment made by someone else and this exact same answer made by me you just skimed through it like the rest, however, I did not call them cheaters, I said they were exploiting a small loophole in the game, and asked why they couldnt just play with the same runes/masteries as everyone else, is it too hard to make a new account to play with a friend thats new to the game? And you made one good point in your comment, it is individual people, but im not talking about 1 or 2 games, im talking about most of my games are made up of players on the opposite team being much higher level than my team, not just to help their friends, but to make it unfair and give them the upperhand, especially with keystone masteries+ runes, which add tanknyness,damage and shit ton of other stats that are technical.

This is an exploit, in any game this is an exploit, (In Ragnarok Online, bring a lvl 99 sinx to a match between 3v3 lvl 10's and tell me its fair ^ ) it is not, but instead of mentioning anything about the unfair parts of this, you only pick my words apart and focus on one specific thing, I do wish there were players out there that could give me a real answer instead of "its not cheating, you shouldnt be toxic and call them cheaters bceause its harassment, I do this all the time cause I wanna play with my friends it not cheating im not a cheater! you should be banned!" It's basically the same answer i've been getting all day lol, without anyone actually reading what i'm actually talking about they blurt out whatever they can think of on one small irrelevant detail that is made up of you assuming the worst situation possible where im the bad guy, maybe I should make a level 30 and only team up with low levels and dominate every new player, is that fair?

Gimpy892 votes

i already said earlier that making a smurf to play with the low level players is unfair as they have a huge experience advantage. Experience > runes and masteries. Also people on smurfs dont care about being banned since it is a trash account so they will be as toxic as they want to new people.

If you are plat/diamond, heck even silver, you don't need runes/masteries (or even items) to beat someone on their first 10 games. Smurfing ruins the new player experience as people with years of experience are treated by the matchmaking system as noobs and go against new players without anything to compensate the team. Using your main lets the system create a fair match by averaging your premade's mmr. Using a smurf lies to the system and gets you an easier game than is warranted. THIS IS THE EXPLOIT.

Also maybe you feel like people aren't reading what you are writing (as you have said this to a lot of posts) because they don't agree and maybe the same points are being made over and over because you dont seem to get that the average mmr of both teams is equal. Yes the specific lane the higher elo is in will probably loose, but the chance of a win is still 50%.

"maybe I should make a level 30 and only team up with low levels and dominate every new player, is that fair?" yes the mean mmr of both teams will be equal and each team will have a ~50% chance to win

Kei1431 votes

  1. Riot has admitted that their new player experience sucks, but are currently putting the resources into trying to make the game better for everyone else instead of just the new players. They currently don't have too much problems in attracting new players.

  2. Plats / Diamonds are definitely mechanically better. Most they time, they aren't cheating.

  3. Toxic group reports against you don't mean anything if you didn't do anything wrong. The system has the ability to detect false reports and throws them out. But seeing you have been permabanned 3 times with verbal abuse, chances are you are toxic.

  4. If you are being match made against plats / diamonds + their friends, that means you are at least gold. You should be proud you aren't going to be bronze4lyfe.

Not sure if you are complaining about being matched against plats + new friend or just the match making system in general. But match making does take in account that Plat+Friend's average MMR is around your MMR.

CypherFX1 votes

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  1. Riot has admitted that their new player experience sucks, but are currently putting the resources into trying to make the game better for everyone else instead of just the new players. They currently don't have too much problems in attracting new players.

  2. Plats / Diamonds are definitely mechanically better. Most they time, they aren't cheating.

  3. Toxic group reports against you don't mean anything if you didn't do anything wrong. The system has the ability to detect false reports and throws them out. But seeing you have been permabanned 3 times with verbal abuse, chances are you are toxic.

  4. If you are being match made against plats / diamonds + their friends, that means you are at least gold. You should be proud you aren't going to be bronze4lyfe.

Not sure if you are complaining about being matched against plats + new friend or just the match making system in general. But match making does take in account that Plat+Friend's average MMR is around your MMR.

Hmm I would say, the constant aggrivation of being put against much higher level and ranks even though there is no need for it, why cant we play a game where we're all the same level when we play? Rather than new players playing against lvl 30's and the lvl 30's rubbing it in their faces while the new players rage and get banned? It would be nice if people playing with their friends taught them the game instead of carried them and showed off while slaughtering the enemy team with their unfair runes/masteries/mechanics advantage, is my overall suggestion as to what can be fixed easily with a level cap on premade teams, umm other than that, no ones touched on the bots thing, just kinda overlooked it, maybe because its been brought up by other players.

Kei1431 votes

The actual mechanical skill difference between someone at a higher MMR is actually pretty significant.

There was this one time I offered to teach a bronze4 play and I'm just bronze2. We were both support mains, so we did a 2v2 trist beginner bot + soraka support. I smashed him as a soraka support 6-0 in the first 10 mins of the game, and I didn't even go back to buy items and was running gp+5 runes. My trist bot didn't die once, and his died 4 times.

Even if they were on the same level, the skill difference will still stomp. Though having the proper runes + masteries does make the difference even bigger.

Icy Hot Shoto1 votes

If Riot made it so you had to be within 1 rank of each other to play with/against them then I guess those who like to watch Trinimmortal's videos and like Javi can say goodbye to Javi or even Trin himself, considering Javi is Bronze 4 currently, and then one of his friends is Diamond 4 and another is Silver 4. There goes 3 people he plays with basically daily.

Not only that, not everyone is ranked or in the same rank. I have friends in Bronze, Silver, Gold, Plat and Diamond while I'm unranked. I wouldn't be able to play with my boyfriend, my best friend or any of my friends.

Then you have those who are, say, Gold 1 with a Gold 3 friend. While the same league, it's a different tier for that league and considered a different rank. They wouldn't be able to play with each other anymore.

As such, making it so you more or less need to be the same tier in the same league as a friend is a bad idea. As for the level difference? I have yet to see a problem when playing with/against players who aren't level 30. Then again, maybe I just got smurfs. Eh, still think it's a bad idea.

Xesna1 votes

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Hi, so first off i'll tell you what this post is about in general. 1.)Low level players that invite lvl 30+(bronze,gold,diamond,plat) to a game of lvl... say 5,10 or 15 and below, I see this in norm and I see this in aram, what happens? the level 30 seems to kill my entire team and take very little damage while outputting massive damage (yes this can be misinterpreted and looked at as "well if you're not good enough to beat a lvl 30, you're just whining" but it's really not about that, because honestly 50% of the games vs these "cheaters" as I consider it are won which shouldn't happen but still does, so, i've made 3 accounts so far, my main account was banned for verbal abuse, yes I got upset at these players that (while i was on my lvl 30 account after coming back to league after a while) I was lvl 30 playing norms or aram and a plat or diamond would come and completely dominate my team,

I would be the only one that knew the reason they had far better mechanics was because they were much higher rank, and im not talking about just one player im talking about groups of 5 playing with 1 lvl 30 non ranked all gold and above while my team is lvl 25,30,30,23, you get the idea, however i'm not a very passive player, i'm respectful and always help my team when needed and am a team player, but when I see players cheating and abusing a small loophole in the game I have to say something, so what happens? Their team turns it around on me trolling and being toxic while i'm trying to explain the reason they are winning is because they're abusing a small loophole in the game, what happens?

My team turns around on me and says im whining and complaining, I get 9 reports, why? Because I can't say nothing while something unfair is happening, sorry but its not me, so now i'm banned, unjustly on 3 accounts + my lvl 30 that i've had for years, that i've spent money on and because I stood up for myself and other players and called out cheaters, did I deserve to be banned? You know what, maybe, but don't they deserve that as well, because they are not, they're still out there in groups trolling new players and playing fun norms making them unfair and unbalanced just to have "fun" and trolling, they get away with it because they're in a group, while solo players like me are banned for standing up for themselves.

My second problem I have is, lately and especially late at night, there are I would say 50% bots on aram, since domination is no longer there, the bots moved to ARAM, I have reported them multiple times, so have teammates i've played with, also, there are players that (when they get characters they don't like they pretend to be a bot and feed and troll (pick up health pick ups just as other players are trying to get them while they're at full hp, while spamming laugh then feeding some more) while nothing is being done about this, I seen the same player feed in games 5 games last night, he was reported, but still continued doing it.

Higher level players being invited by lower level players, unbalancing the game and I said something about it, i'll be making yet another account today, and i'm pretty sure the same thing will happen :/ so this is my message to Riot support and staff hoping you will do something about this and maybe look through my accounts and check if I was banned because I was upset with cheaters or was I just being toxic? It's very easy for a group of toxic players to get 1 solo player banned, maybe i'm the only one that has the balls to say anything about it, but maybe I can change something, any responses would be nice, I know there will be lots of trolls but lets hear what you have to say and if you can understand what i'm talking about. (I know every player who does this response is:I just want to play with my friends, they're new, when my response everytime is:Why cant you make a new account to play with them why do you have to be on your lvl 30 plat with keystones, 10x the masteries we have and tier 3 runes and every champ in the game, why make it unfair? Where they reply: Lol stop whining, all you do is whine were all reporting you.) Just something to think about^

Question to those who take the time to read this, what should be done about premades, not just in general, but say you're in a situation where you're on a team with lvl 5's and they have 3, lvl 30's, gold or plat that completely dominate your team, your team has no idea that they're much higher level, they rage and get mad, do you keep quiet and not say anything and let them treat new players this way or..? What are your thoughts?

-Lunin

If anything, the system needs to be improved where the people who play with friends are matched up with people who are also playing with friends.

CypherFX1 votes

If anything, the system needs to be improved where the people who play with friends are matched up with people who are also playing with friends.

I agree with that completely.

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