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Technically cheating players in league discussion for Riot staff, please read.

CypherFX·4/24/2016, 12:10:04 AM·3 votes·1,161 views

Hi, so first off i'll tell you what this post is about in general. 1.)Low level players that invite lvl 30+(bronze,gold,diamond,plat) to a game of lvl... say 5,10 or 15 and below, I see this in norm and I see this in aram, what happens? the level 30 seems to kill my entire team and take very little damage while outputting massive damage (yes this can be misinterpreted and looked at as "well if you're not good enough to beat a lvl 30, you're just whining" but it's really not about that, because honestly 50% of the games vs these "cheaters" as I consider it are won which shouldn't happen but still does, so, i've made 3 accounts so far, my main account was banned for verbal abuse, yes I got upset at these players that (while i was on my lvl 30 account after coming back to league after a while) I was lvl 30 playing norms or aram and a plat or diamond would come and completely dominate my team,

I would be the only one that knew the reason they had far better mechanics was because they were much higher rank, and im not talking about just one player im talking about groups of 5 playing with 1 lvl 30 non ranked all gold and above while my team is lvl 25,30,30,23, you get the idea, however i'm not a very passive player, i'm respectful and always help my team when needed and am a team player, but when I see players cheating and abusing a small loophole in the game I have to say something, so what happens? Their team turns it around on me trolling and being toxic while i'm trying to explain the reason they are winning is because they're abusing a small loophole in the game, what happens?

My team turns around on me and says im whining and complaining, I get 9 reports, why? Because I can't say nothing while something unfair is happening, sorry but its not me, so now i'm banned, unjustly on 3 accounts + my lvl 30 that i've had for years, that i've spent money on and because I stood up for myself and other players and called out cheaters, did I deserve to be banned? You know what, maybe, but don't they deserve that as well, because they are not, they're still out there in groups trolling new players and playing fun norms making them unfair and unbalanced just to have "fun" and trolling, they get away with it because they're in a group, while solo players like me are banned for standing up for themselves.

My second problem I have is, lately and especially late at night, there are I would say 50% bots on aram, since domination is no longer there, the bots moved to ARAM, I have reported them multiple times, so have teammates i've played with, also, there are players that (when they get characters they don't like they pretend to be a bot and feed and troll (pick up health pick ups just as other players are trying to get them while they're at full hp, while spamming laugh then feeding some more) while nothing is being done about this, I seen the same player feed in games 5 games last night, he was reported, but still continued doing it.

Higher level players being invited by lower level players, unbalancing the game and I said something about it, i'll be making yet another account today, and i'm pretty sure the same thing will happen :/ so this is my message to Riot support and staff hoping you will do something about this and maybe look through my accounts and check if I was banned because I was upset with cheaters or was I just being toxic? It's very easy for a group of toxic players to get 1 solo player banned, maybe i'm the only one that has the balls to say anything about it, but maybe I can change something, any responses would be nice, I know there will be lots of trolls but lets hear what you have to say and if you can understand what i'm talking about. (I know every player who does this response is:I just want to play with my friends, they're new, when my response everytime is:Why cant you make a new account to play with them why do you have to be on your lvl 30 plat with keystones, 10x the masteries we have and tier 3 runes and every champ in the game, why make it unfair? Where they reply: Lol stop whining, all you do is whine were all reporting you.) Just something to think about^

Question to those who take the time to read this, what should be done about premades, not just in general, but say you're in a situation where you're on a team with lvl 5's and they have 3, lvl 30's, gold or plat that completely dominate your team, your team has no idea that they're much higher level, they rage and get mad, do you keep quiet and not say anything and let them treat new players this way or..? What are your thoughts?

-Lunin

32 Comments

ModWulf Helhammer4/24/2016, 12:12:11 AM3 votes

99% of those higher level people playing with lower levels are the new people's friends (usually IRL) who are helping them learn the game

disregardable4/24/2016, 12:14:17 AM2 votes

Queueing up for a game and being matched is not "abusing a loophole". You're raging at people for something that's not a real problem. It's the game functioning as intended. Winning half of the games is literally proof that matchmaking is treating you fairly. Once you're level 30, you'll be able to play ranked and play with people that are the same skill level as you. Until then, normals games are matched around team mmr, not individual mmr. And even then, with the changes they've made to ranked this year, it's still probably more about team mmr.

Gimpy894/24/2016, 1:16:05 AM1 votes

Playing with a friend that is new/bad is not cheating in ANY way. I have introduced several people i know IRL to this game and wouldn't be able to do that if i couldn't play with low levels and teach them the game. This is a ** GAME** in-case you didn't know. Why cant people play with their friends in non-competitive modes?

The only people that are cheating are players that use smurfs to stomp low levels. If you use your main riot will know you will cary hard and will raise the enemy's average MMR to compensate. When playing with a pre-30 ill get an S+ 95% of the time but only win 50%-55% of games since the other 4 lanes will almost always loose lane on my team. (riot uses statistics to make it so each team has a 50% win-chance)

You ARE being toxic and SHOULD be reported. Maybe you will learn not to harass people for literally just playing the game and not get banned again.

BTW name shaming is not allowed on the forums.

Kei1434/24/2016, 1:18:26 AM1 votes

  1. Riot has admitted that their new player experience sucks, but are currently putting the resources into trying to make the game better for everyone else instead of just the new players. They currently don't have too much problems in attracting new players.

  2. Plats / Diamonds are definitely mechanically better. Most they time, they aren't cheating.

  3. Toxic group reports against you don't mean anything if you didn't do anything wrong. The system has the ability to detect false reports and throws them out. But seeing you have been permabanned 3 times with verbal abuse, chances are you are toxic.

  4. If you are being match made against plats / diamonds + their friends, that means you are at least gold. You should be proud you aren't going to be bronze4lyfe.

Not sure if you are complaining about being matched against plats + new friend or just the match making system in general. But match making does take in account that Plat+Friend's average MMR is around your MMR.

Icy Hot Shoto4/24/2016, 4:03:56 AM1 votes

If Riot made it so you had to be within 1 rank of each other to play with/against them then I guess those who like to watch Trinimmortal's videos and like Javi can say goodbye to Javi or even Trin himself, considering Javi is Bronze 4 currently, and then one of his friends is Diamond 4 and another is Silver 4. There goes 3 people he plays with basically daily.

Not only that, not everyone is ranked or in the same rank. I have friends in Bronze, Silver, Gold, Plat and Diamond while I'm unranked. I wouldn't be able to play with my boyfriend, my best friend or any of my friends.

Then you have those who are, say, Gold 1 with a Gold 3 friend. While the same league, it's a different tier for that league and considered a different rank. They wouldn't be able to play with each other anymore.

As such, making it so you more or less need to be the same tier in the same league as a friend is a bad idea. As for the level difference? I have yet to see a problem when playing with/against players who aren't level 30. Then again, maybe I just got smurfs. Eh, still think it's a bad idea.

Xesna4/24/2016, 5:23:13 AM1 votes

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Hi, so first off i'll tell you what this post is about in general. 1.)Low level players that invite lvl 30+(bronze,gold,diamond,plat) to a game of lvl... say 5,10 or 15 and below, I see this in norm and I see this in aram, what happens? the level 30 seems to kill my entire team and take very little damage while outputting massive damage (yes this can be misinterpreted and looked at as "well if you're not good enough to beat a lvl 30, you're just whining" but it's really not about that, because honestly 50% of the games vs these "cheaters" as I consider it are won which shouldn't happen but still does, so, i've made 3 accounts so far, my main account was banned for verbal abuse, yes I got upset at these players that (while i was on my lvl 30 account after coming back to league after a while) I was lvl 30 playing norms or aram and a plat or diamond would come and completely dominate my team,

I would be the only one that knew the reason they had far better mechanics was because they were much higher rank, and im not talking about just one player im talking about groups of 5 playing with 1 lvl 30 non ranked all gold and above while my team is lvl 25,30,30,23, you get the idea, however i'm not a very passive player, i'm respectful and always help my team when needed and am a team player, but when I see players cheating and abusing a small loophole in the game I have to say something, so what happens? Their team turns it around on me trolling and being toxic while i'm trying to explain the reason they are winning is because they're abusing a small loophole in the game, what happens?

My team turns around on me and says im whining and complaining, I get 9 reports, why? Because I can't say nothing while something unfair is happening, sorry but its not me, so now i'm banned, unjustly on 3 accounts + my lvl 30 that i've had for years, that i've spent money on and because I stood up for myself and other players and called out cheaters, did I deserve to be banned? You know what, maybe, but don't they deserve that as well, because they are not, they're still out there in groups trolling new players and playing fun norms making them unfair and unbalanced just to have "fun" and trolling, they get away with it because they're in a group, while solo players like me are banned for standing up for themselves.

My second problem I have is, lately and especially late at night, there are I would say 50% bots on aram, since domination is no longer there, the bots moved to ARAM, I have reported them multiple times, so have teammates i've played with, also, there are players that (when they get characters they don't like they pretend to be a bot and feed and troll (pick up health pick ups just as other players are trying to get them while they're at full hp, while spamming laugh then feeding some more) while nothing is being done about this, I seen the same player feed in games 5 games last night, he was reported, but still continued doing it.

Higher level players being invited by lower level players, unbalancing the game and I said something about it, i'll be making yet another account today, and i'm pretty sure the same thing will happen :/ so this is my message to Riot support and staff hoping you will do something about this and maybe look through my accounts and check if I was banned because I was upset with cheaters or was I just being toxic? It's very easy for a group of toxic players to get 1 solo player banned, maybe i'm the only one that has the balls to say anything about it, but maybe I can change something, any responses would be nice, I know there will be lots of trolls but lets hear what you have to say and if you can understand what i'm talking about. (I know every player who does this response is:I just want to play with my friends, they're new, when my response everytime is:Why cant you make a new account to play with them why do you have to be on your lvl 30 plat with keystones, 10x the masteries we have and tier 3 runes and every champ in the game, why make it unfair? Where they reply: Lol stop whining, all you do is whine were all reporting you.) Just something to think about^

Question to those who take the time to read this, what should be done about premades, not just in general, but say you're in a situation where you're on a team with lvl 5's and they have 3, lvl 30's, gold or plat that completely dominate your team, your team has no idea that they're much higher level, they rage and get mad, do you keep quiet and not say anything and let them treat new players this way or..? What are your thoughts?

-Lunin

If anything, the system needs to be improved where the people who play with friends are matched up with people who are also playing with friends.