This need attention

AimzOG··2 votes·1,061 views
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4azix0/this_needs_attention/

The hextech crafting is a awesome thing, however it has a bunch of people, most of the community I'd say, flustered, because if you have had any form of warning (chat ban) and a ban in general in the past up to 4 months, you are ineligible to benefit from this knew system. On this post on the LoL forms, the OP is stating that this is what people wanted. A way to reward and at the same time punish people for behavior on the Rift. However this has taken a turn for the worst because people are feeling like they are getting punished further than their "warnings" in month prior to the launch. One thing that I think Riot and a lot of us think is that any one who is "punished" is the spawn of Satan and Hitler himself when in reality we all have the days where we are under-stress and are getting flamed by the enemy team and your own team for giving up first blood or what ever bullshit reason and we just snap. We call one person a bitch and all of a sudden the ones doing the harassing in game by letting you die to an enemy or not leashing are the victims. In reality when one person is a punished for being toxic, everyone in the game (give or take a few) should all be getting punished. There is always two sides to the story.

The comment section of this post is where thing get interesting. Countless post on how disconnected people feel from, people that feel treated unfairly. Not all people are mad because they don't get free stuff, most, if not all of them are more angry on the "reform" system. No one knows what qualifies as reformed or what to do to get there. Riot has released no information on this except the bullshit excuse that they're "working on a clearer explanation", especially since they blindsided everyone with the crafting's link to positive behavior in the first place. The fact that makes more people confused and frustrated is that IP is not reduced when on a ban or chat restriction.

if you go to prison you can work in prison and gt about 25 cents an hour. If you get a chat ban on LoL you get the same money paid out, however you don't get hextech boxes until you are "reformed".

See, this would all be senseless winning if I didn't provide an idea on how to fix it. How I would like it to be fixed is if riot released a better punishment system with a reform system on it as well, I also think that it would be more of an impact if Riot let everyone start clean and set a clear boundary of what they expect and what actions will be pursued if violated. I also think that that IP should be conected to the punishment as well as hextech crafting. No more disconnect Riot.

What do you suggest they do?

21 Comments

TeemoJenkins5 votes

{quoted}

To start I want to encourage all of you Redditors to not down-vote this just because you don't agree with what I'm about to say.

The hextech crafting is a awesome thing, however it has a bunch of people, most of the community I'd say, flustered, because if you have had any form of warning (chat ban) and a ban in general in the past up to 4 months, you are ineligible to benefit from this knew system.

I downvoted and here's why: The majority of the community isn't bothered, because the majority aren't affected at all by this. My suggestion is that you can't have the pudding if you don't eat your meat. Play nice, don't flame, don't rise to bait - some day the restriction will go away. Simple.

AimzOG2 votes

I'm personally not restricted on my main account. But I have this smurf that I've had inactive but got a chat ban a while ago.

The majority of the community isn't bothered, because the majority aren't affected at all by this.

I disagree. The LoL community in a whole is seen as toxic. There is a fine line most every player balances on between competitiveness and toxicness. 50% of all Ranked players are <S1 and I can asure you won't be able to go into a game without someone flaming.

Also the main focus of the post is that there is no clear "reform" process. This is what Riot needs to fix.

DrCyanide2 votes

50% of all Ranked players are <S1 and I can asure you won't be able to go into a game without someone flaming.

Yes you can, it happens all the time to me, and I've never been higher than Silver 1.

I'll agree that the reform process needs to be spelled out better. You'll occasionally see players on these boards who took the chat restrictions to heart and are trying to change, but don't master it right off, and two months later get the two week ban and think "now what do I do?" Those players are the minority though, most of them insist that they did nothing wrong and post rather condemning chat logs.

TeemoJenkins1 votes

{quoted} Also the main focus of the post is that there is no clear "reform" process. This is what Riot needs to fix.

Common misconception that a software company needs to fix human behavior. Reality is it shouldn't be a problem, but the Internet Generation believes that the anonymity it provides gives them carte blanc to treat people like garbage. Fact of the matter is, it's not acceptable human behavior, never has been.

EarthboundImmort1 votes

{quoted}

Common misconception that a software company needs to fix human behavior. Reality is it shouldn't be a problem, but the Internet Generation believes that the anonymity it provides gives them carte blanc to treat people like garbage. Fact of the matter is, it's not acceptable human behavior, never has been.

summoner 4 Are you saying you'd rather have people continue to act inappropriately? I get that behavior reform shouldn't be the main issue a "software company" deals with, but to say it's not relevant to the industry and the internet/society as a whole is garbage. If Riot doesn't include a reform system, you end up with people making many more smurfs. That would leave League as bad a community as an average FPS game. Human behavior is a tricky issue, but I believe Riot is taking the rights steps to include reform. The only issue was recently an automated chat ban system was put into place. The number of people receiving 10-game chat-bans increased greatly because of it. That's why the forums are exploding right now. A bunch of people were punished in a manner not seen before. It was automated and we have been given no real-time or objective analysis of how to be better. That is the main issue. Riot understands reform is the answer even if you think otherwise. The only issue they failed to take into account was communicating the reform process in a more timely fashion than has been done.

Knowledge is power bud.[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Weathered5 votes

You are seeing too much of one side. Think of the actual amount of people that get restrictions and are affected by this. Not much. It's just the boards inflates it. Riot created free stuff, and decided to only allow it for clean slate accounts. I'd say it ends there.

AimzOG2 votes

But what about the fact that there is no system to "reform" the player. Riot rides on this but haven't laid it out clearly for everyone and it's unfair.

Edit: Don't you think that is a little ridicules that something that is described as a warning is is punishable up to 4 months prior to launch?

Deep Terror Nami4 votes

The system is to play games and be positive (or neutral, you don't have to be all happy-go-lucky or anything). The problem is that it's unclear where you're at in reforming according to the system. They will be making some changes so it's more clear where you're at. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4ak56c/if_you_were_previously_bannedchat_banned_you_are/d11c1nm

SmokedAlmonds4 votes

I agree that riot needs to lay out what it takes to be considered reformed and they really shouldn't have known that needed to be done on day 1. I also would say the decision to have it tell you that you are ineligible every time is questionable at best.

That said, we are talking about free stuff. That is what the hextech system does. It gives you free stuff. It is a reward for both playing well and behaving well.

I guess I haven't looked too deeply into the specifics since I don't care much about the hextech system to begin with, but restricted players can still buy and use the system they just don't earn free chests/keys right?

The IP argument just seems like grasping at straws to me. I guess it is technically a reward, but it is a staple of the game and is required to progress in the game.

AimzOG1 votes

Yeah, they can still buy the keys and such. It feels like riot doesn't want to reform people, they want you to not cause problems and pay for things or GTFO if you're toxic or pay for everything. Like people don't trow money at them anyways.

SmokedAlmonds4 votes

They ruin games for people. Riot wants them to reform or get out, yes. But it is absurd to think riot wants people to cause problems.

AimzOG1 votes

MY BAD! Meant to put a "not". Re-read it now, should make scene now.

Verxint3 votes

You don't get punishments for having a once in a blue moon meltdown. You have to display chronic negativity before the system does anything.

EarthboundImmort1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Little Mac is OP,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WEsqjff7,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-03-18T19:38:41.160+0000)

You don't get punishments for having a once in a blue moon meltdown. You have to display chronic negativity before the system does anything.

summoner 4 The system most people were punished for is new and automated. It needs review and a strict breakdown of its punishment and reform system. People are only disappointed with their bans because of how different and rapid the process was from the prior.

The more you know.[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

FrankerX1 votes

"To start I want to encourage all of you Redditors to not down-vote this just because you don't agree with what I'm about to say."

uhm downvotes are to show that you dont agree. by your logic, we shouldnt upvote IF WE DO agree.

AimzOG1 votes

The reason for this is because most sub-reddits are completely corrupted. People down vote things on r/new all the time just to push their own, or other peoples post to the top. I apologies for the confusion, probably should of left that part our for the form post.

here is a video to help explain this further if you care

Astôlfo1 votes

No.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

Just putting this out here since it IS being worked on for how long it does take to be reformed. Though from what I understand the time for full reform may vary from player to player.

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RiotNeuroCat Hijacking the top comment here.

We're working on putting out a better explanation for this. For players that are punished by the Instant Feedback system and work off the punishment, they will still be restricted from earning Hextech chests or keys for a period while the system ensures that they have reformed their behavior. There is no fixed interval here - if you continue to play with sportsmanlike behavior, you'll eventually get back into good standing. We're looking into making a player's status more clear/visible to help avoid this kind of confusion.

AimzOG1 votes

This is the bullshit remark Riot made. It doesn't help at all. Yeah of course if you /mute all and disable your enter key for a year you will "eventually" get back on the good list, however, this can be considered trying to lose the game and is also punishable. If this is the only way for the most toxic of toxic players then there is no way out.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

Really that's a bullshit remark? Did you not read it? It does help. They are going to clarify just how long it might take for some players to reform and be eligible for the Hextech crafting.

Also there are these magical things called PINGS which are fully accepted as a form of communication. I've had games where the only communication I've done is nothing put pings since typing would have taken too long. Enemy mid laner isn't there? MIA ping used. Saw mid laner roam to bot? MIA & Warning pings used. Mid laner is in the bot lane river bush? DANGER! ping is used. Need assistance holding a tower? Assistance needed ping used. On your way to help get dragon/baron? Use the on your way ping. Someone going in to hard? Give them the Fall back ping (and hope they listen). Targeting a certain champion since you are roaming? You target ping them and use the on your way pings.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

It might be considered trying to lose by a player, but not chatting is not considered trying to lose by riot. Any reports for that are going to be thrown out.

Yes, those players are probably on their way out. Because they are unable or unwilling to follow the rules.

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