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Honor and Clash

BeetlejuiceBoi··12 votes·8,202 views

Honor & Clash

Hey everyone, As a player, I can say that I have been toxic in the past, and could even go to say over a year ago, I was disgustingly toxic and deserved what I got, which was 2 permanent bans. But after receiving those, I have changed for the better, I don't really type in chat all that often and usually it isn't flame, its constructive criticism. An example of that would be if my top lane yasuo is against a darius, so I inform him that he may have a rough lane because he is considerably squishy to darius' base damage and that maybe he should farm with q and play back. In a game roughly a month and a half ago I lost my temper, and like a dumbass I called someone a retard, yeah I get it, sure punish me for that won't happen again, but I only unlocked honor 2 weeks ago and after 2 weeks of non-stop league to attempt to grind honor for clash, I haven't even reached level 1 checkpoint 1. Just wanted to hear some feedback on what the community and staff at riot think about maybe lowering the honor requirement for clash to level 1, because I don't think people with lots of punishments should be playing or people with 14-day bans, but I also don't believe that someone who loses their cool in a stressful game of ranked shouldn't be allowed to play some clash with his bois, especially when the smurfing account rule is in place for clash, which I have no problem with, but unless the account is within 2 divisions of your main account, then you can't play on it without it risking being banned for 6 months or something like that. If I could get some insight into what other players/board members might think about this idea, I would really appreciate it, I know I am not the only person that thinks a 10-Game chat ban is a little too harsh, at least on the clash side of things.

Thanks, Laser Long

>> I don't know if I am not supposed to share this or show it, but regardless, here is a screenshot of Riot Games Player Support Skeletor agreeing that maybe the system is a little harsh. http://prntscr.com/jnuy97Z

I put the above link to RGPS Skeletor saying that the system is harsh, not to get the system changed, but to open up the viewpoint that it takes a long time to climb in honor, and that during that time I think that players should be allowed to play in clash, at Honor level 1. Dishonorable takes considerably long to climb out of too, but that, unfortunately wouldn't be possible to open up, since those players are all 14-day bans or repeated offenses.

29 Comments

TheEvilQueen1357 votes

i mean I understand the honor thing but I have some friends that had a bad day here or there and got bans and restrictions and haven't made it back to honor 2, i wish they'd make it honor unlocked or something. just the basic of "they're improving"

Zombie Gerbil5 votes

Actually denying them to play a mode due to their toxicity because they agreed before they downloaded the game that they won't be toxic is a good thing. Because we don't want those kinds of players in our community, let alone in our games. If they want to earn and seek more rewards out of this game, then stop being a damn asshole. Not that complex and it only takes a certain amount of human decency acknowledge that this is just a competitive video game and be understanding with your team. If you can't and don't have the self-control then don't SAY ANYTHING.

So no, the system is fine and players should be more aware that their words have consequences. I could give shits about what that Rioter says. This is about our community taking a step forward to playing the game for what meant for. Competitive fun.

BeetlejuiceBoi5 votes

I stated in my post that I have acknowledged my past of being toxic and that I don't act like that at all anymore, but it is too hard to RECOVER and to come back as a positive player and member of this community that you are mentioning, I don't know if you read the post all the way through, but if you could please heed that I don't think players that are toxic should be earning things, but rather that people who aren't cruel monsters ruining the game for everyone like you imply CAN come back and play the video game that they enjoy playing.

EDIT: Also, if you had looked into the image I posted, you can clearly see that Skeletor mentioned that I have improved in my behavior and am well on track to becoming honorable, I just think it takes too long to do so. Thanks.

Zombie Gerbil4 votes

As I was speaking in general, I meant people when I said "you", but I should have been more specific since it can easily be taken out of context. I did read the post and saw you brought up that toxic players should still play other modes regardless of their attitude. That's the subject I remained on. I said, I didn't give two shits about the Rioter agreeing with you, not about your improving attitude. If you're looking for praise, it's not coming from me. I wasn't talking about your attitude, but generally speaking about players who been penalized for their attitudes having the ability to still do as they please.

You're welcome.

BeetlejuiceBoi3 votes

I didn't once mention toxic players should play other modes... I said people that want to play clash should be able to, and real toxic players like the ones that you are talking about are already banned. You clearly did not read it.

EDIT: Thank you once again for your constructive criticism and not taking anything personally, good luck on the rift fellow honorable summoner.

Zombie Gerbil4 votes

Penalised doesn't mean banned, but chat restricted, 14-day banned, etc. A history, meaning what they did in their recent games. Know the penalties. And no, they shouldn't. They want to play clash, then follow the terms of use. If they have a history of being penalized, then no, they shouldn't.

Edit: I never do take anything personally, why I've been here since beta with the same account. And you too.

BeetlejuiceBoi3 votes

So you think because I called someone a retard 2 months ago, and now am a positive teammate in all of my games, encouraging my teammates and helping them win, on track to being honorable, saying good job well played and adding a :) at the end of every setance, that I should not be allowed to participate in Clash with my teammates?

EDIT: Once again, I am not saying players that are harshly toxic like bans and 25-game chat restricts with a history of being toxic, should be able to play, because those people are not honor 1, they are dishonorable locked, honor 1 means a 10-game chat restriction, with almost no history of being toxic.

EEZ34344 votes

[{quoted}](name=Laser Long,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=W5AfTy0f,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-29T04:18:02.100+0000)

saying good job well played and adding a :) at the end of every setance

Just because you drop a smiley face doesn't mean your positive. I could tell someone to kill themselves and add a :)

Zombie Gerbil4 votes

Depends on how many games you've played in those two months. If you played 10 games then come back with this new turned over leaf then that's hardly an accomplishment. If you played more than 3-5 games a day for 4-5 days a week and reformed, that's a good thing. Means you're likely reforming. However, we're not speaking specifically about you. But the player base in general. Just because you have 3-4 friends who need to reform in order to play clash with you and believe that the systems need to change for them and for the selected few while not thinking of the other hundreds, thousands, or millions of other toxic players who are developing more penalized game history, I honestly believe nothing should be changed, but more strict.

When you're on this board and played as long as I have, you see unpenalized players playing at other player's expense not yet getting caught from the IFS, you tend to think in general. I am not speaking about you or your friends, but the general toxic community who has yet reached their 3rd or 4th penalties. So when I say I don't think the system should tone down, I am not directing it at your or your friends, but at the toxic community in general. And I am not saying you're amongst that toxic community before you assume I am.** But if players want to play more modes, then they should follow the same guidelines that we ALL agreed to before we downloaded the game. I believe players should receive honor 1 to be able to play modes. It's not hard to get at all, because it took a couple of my friends to get honor 1 in 3 to 4 weeks. If they can't get that honor, then that means they don't either play enough to reform or they're not reforming in general due to the reports they're getting. **

BeetlejuiceBoi2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=W5AfTy0f,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-05-29T04:28:52.370+0000)

I believe players should receive honor 1 to be able to play modes. It's not hard to get at all, because it took a couple of my friends to get honor 1 in 3 to 4 weeks. If they can't get that honor, then that means they don't either play enough to reform or they're not reforming in general due to the reports they're getting.

We may be having a misunderstanding, I am not and have never been below honor level 1 on this account: Laser Long. I am not asking for the honor system to go faster, I am saying that I think it is fair to say players who have made a mistake one time and been chat restricted, therefore Honor level 1, because it only demotes 1 level with a chat restrict, should be able to participate in clash, lowering the required level from 2.

Zombie Gerbil4 votes

Once again, I am not speaking about you. YOU are not the topic nor your friends before you include them. Never was. And once again you're thinking about the selected few. As I said, I am speaking about other players and players the community has experienced for the last 10 years. If a player has been demoted by a recent chat restriction, it easy to remove that. All depends on how many games they've played and all how reformed they are. Recently a friend of mine has been hit with a 14-day ban about 3 months ago. He went up to honor 1 and he's able to play clash, it only took him a month. He's a teacher and plays about 5 to 6 games for 3 days a week. So, no players who received a recent penalty shouldn't play clash till he is actually reformed. And once again, while you're thinking of the selected few, I am speaking in general, for most players, it's no mistake when they get chat-restricted. It's more of a developing attitude that continues on a path of frustration or sadistic entertainment or just ignorant to the system for a lot of players who receive a penalty and recent.

I do not believe the system should be toned down, because only 0.006% are permanently banned, that doesn't include the rest who are receiving penalties because they turned a new leaf for about 2 months just to end up getting another penalty due to them getting sick of players not playing by their standards. We don't need players to think "Oh, I only got one penalty, Riot has nothing on me and I can play whatever mode I want and still be rewarded." The whole idea of honored players playing Clash with their friends to encourage players to be less toxic and be rewarded for their good behavior. In general.

BeetlejuiceBoi2 votes

You just said that he is honor 1 and can play clash, you obviously did NOT read this post because this post is advocating for players that are honor level 1 to participate in clash, and not the current minimum level which is HONOR 2.

Edit: You keep mentioning you don't believe the system should be toned down or changed, and nor do I. I want you to understand after all of these replies assuring you this, I do not think honor system should be changed, all I want is the minimum level of honor required for clash to be dropped 1 level for people who have been chat restricted once, because that is the only penalty that drops you to level 1 from 2. I do not want punishments, honor speeds, or anything like that changed, those things need to be worked through and earned, but I think a group-based gamemode should be a little bit more accepting of people who are clearly reformed enough to be increasing in honor level.

Zombie Gerbil3 votes

Then the mistake is mine on the requirement because I've never been below honor 3, so that part passed me. I will step up and apologize on that.

But my statement stands when it comes to recent penalties. Because when I think of recent penalized players, I think of the players who were cussing players out, wishing cancer, and thinking of any possible inflammatory comments they can think of and BELIEVE they didn't deserve their penalty. I believe players should work out of their penalties for the few weeks with a good amount of games without legit reports before they're allowed to play among the honored players who worked hard or believe in good sportsmanship or just believes in the general idea of being a decent human being.

BeetlejuiceBoi2 votes

Oh trust me I agree, I like where the punishment system and honor system stands because for players that have made really negative comments or even verbally abused teammates like I have in the past, they have to actually play a ton to get back into the honor system, but between honor 1 and honor 2, it is a long climb, and I think clash should be available during that climb.

Good to hear we are on the same page, if you have any other feedback please let me know!

Zombie Gerbil3 votes

That's why, and no offense to you or your friends, should the requirement of clash should change. Because I am not thinking of the selected few, I am thinking of the despicable, the immature, and the sadistic player base who are at honor 1. Recent penalties should be worked on by the players.

We are on the same page to a degree, but I believe we understand each other points. I believe we both said our piece.

BeetlejuiceBoi1 votes

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Baka Red2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=W5AfTy0f,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-29T05:50:08.506+0000)

Then the mistake is mine on the requirement because I've never been below honor 3, so that part passed me. I will step up and apologize on that.

Oh but didn't we all start from honor 2? If so, you have been below honor 3. I think you ment below honor 2. :)

And yes, I agree that people who are below honor 2 should not get to play Clash. That can be considered to be part of their punishment from their bad behavior. If a person with below 2 honor wants to play Clash, he needs to get to honor 2 or above and that means we get a new non-negative-player to the game. If someone under honor 2 thinks he should be excluded from that rule, he is being impatient and has room for improvement. Imo.

BeetlejuiceBoi1 votes

What I am saying is, the system takes a long time to climb, and the only way to achieve unlocked honor level 1 is to A: Receive only 1 chat restriction with no history of punishments. B: Climb from dishonorable locked which can take a CONSIDERABLY long time to do

The punishment for bad behavior should be a chat restriction, not denial of being able to play a part of the game. If you weren't allowed to participate in clash for being bronze, do you think that would be fair? And that the gamemode is kind of kicking normal players out of the game? It's all over boards and reddits, players that messed up a while back, climbing in honor, but not fast enough to participate in the clashes, because the honor system is so tough on players who have been punished. Using I as an example, I have played probably close to or over 100 games in the last two weeks, being the most positive summoner possible, and do you know where I have climbed to in the honor ladder? Honor 1, unlocked, checkpoint 0. I started at Honor 1 Locked checkpoint 0. At this rate, if clash had been released this last weekend, and was biweekly. I do not think I would be able to participate in clash. Look at imaqtpie, famous streamer, ex-pro player for Echo-Fox. He was 10-game chat restricted, and it has been weeks since then. He plays the game an EXTRAORDINARILY amount more than an average player (which is the target audience for clash). Imaqtpie has reached honor unlocked, checkpoint 1 honor level 1. My best guess is that he won't be participating in clash any time soon either. Do you think players represented by me and imaqtpie are so disgustingly toxic that they don't deserve to play this mode with their friends? Or that maybe they should still work to earn their honor rewards and benefits again, but are still allowed to play a large part of the game itself?

Baka Red1 votes

Not being able to play because of being Bronze is quite different from not being able to play because the person is suffering a punishment for his 'crimes'. However, bronzes are able to play, as long as they aren't suffering from a punishment. So, if someone wants to play clash, he must keep behaving properly. Sounds good to me.

I do not know what imaqtpie has to do with this discussion. Is he suffering from a punishment maybe? Doesn't it also mean he won't be able to participate in professional tournaments at this time? Also, I do now know you or your case. I just know that you have been punished and your honor is not up to level 2 yet and therefore you aren't able to play Clash. If you think that punishment wasn't deserved, you should talk about that in a separate thread and not mix the two threads. That kind of mixing just confuses things.

camzycam4 votes

i personally agree with you 100%

AirKingNeo3 votes

People aren't barred from Ranked for being Honor 1 or 0, so I don't understand why Clash is.

BeetlejuiceBoi3 votes

Bumped

Chermorg7 votes

People aren't barred from Ranked for being honor 1/0, but they're still barred from pro play for a while if they're toxic. Clash is an "amateur competitive tournament" thing - why should it be any different?

BeetlejuiceBoi3 votes

Because clash is advertised as a way to compete and play with FRIENDS that you make or have previously and not franchised teams that have money invested into the scene, its a fun way for buddies to feel competitive. Pro's represent Riot, Riot doesn't want pros to be toxic, in reality, some are, such as doublelift's, "everyone else is trash" famous quote, clash players do not represent the corporation. Also, riot does not base their pro play barrings off of honor level, it is based on reviews of the players' chat logs in recent games.

AirKingNeo3 votes

because Clash is an actual gamemode in the game.

Pro play is completely outside.

It's like saying Ranked 5v5 should be Honor 2+ only.

EEZ34342 votes

It is too steep of a curve to gain honor. I just feel that it needs to be easier, especially for first time offenders.

DunkmasterDennis2 votes

Same bro, I used to be super toxic on got my old account banned (Talonted Bronzie) and got a 14-day on this one. It's been 6 months since my 14 day, and I'm only at Honor 0 Checkpoint 3. Nowadays, the only things I type in allchat are jokes

Nevurwin2 votes

Jokes on us guys! No one gets to CLASHHHHHHHH!!! [sg-janna]

WubbaLubbaDubDab2 votes

personally i find it really dumb not allowing a part of the playerbase(and not a small one)not to play a major mode,if we go by this way of thinking lets ban all below honor 2 from ranked games too.im honor 0 and ofc im butthurt ok let us honor 0 in honor hell ok we deserve it but at least those who are honor 1 should be able to play,its not easy to go from 0 to 1 i did it back when the system was easier to climb and it still took some time,they are being way too harsh. either let everyone play it or make the honor system more forgiving.cmon we didnt commit a crime or sth,too damn harsh.

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