No Game Review for Perma Bans?

Big Daddy Sion··3 votes·474 views

I understand I can't bring my account back or anything like that, but I had my account perma banned today. I don't think it was perma ban worthy, maybe a chat restriction at most. But what confused me is as soon as I got out of the game I got perma banned. I think the bot picked up on what I said to a Nasus which was "You just called me a drunk retard" I also said "Shut up please Kayle and play" and if that is worth a perma ban then why isn't half the player base banned? I haven't had any bans, warnings or anything for this account and what I said which the bot picked up was me quoting what a Nasus said about me and my bot premade. Why isn't he banned? Why isn't the Kayle banned for called me the N word? Why isn't the enemy Rumble banned for calling everyone on my team useless b*******?

I just want to know how your system works and why you don't personally review perma ban games...

19 Comments

Jo0o4 votes

Most don't need a review, so most don't get reviewed.

If you think your ban wasn't warranted, post your chat logs here and we'll tell you exactly what went wrong with them.

JustMonika132 votes
  1. Chat logs please.
  2. When did you receive your last 14 day ban?
Big Daddy Sion1 votes

I have never had a 14 day ban

Big Daddy Sion1 votes

Game 1 Big Daddy Sion: kayle stfu lol Big Daddy Sion: 1/2/3 Big Daddy Sion: 4/3 Big Daddy Sion: :thinkingemoji: Big Daddy Sion: torret Big Daddy Sion: xD Big Daddy Sion: turret* Big Daddy Sion: you are the type of kid to snap his keyboard Big Daddy Sion: nice stacks Big Daddy Sion: nice dragons Big Daddy Sion: stfu graves Big Daddy Sion: take some drags Big Daddy Sion: you havent been bot once Big Daddy Sion: how can we? Big Daddy Sion: ape Big Daddy Sion: mek Big Daddy Sion: xD Big Daddy Sion: mek Big Daddy Sion: xD Big Daddy Sion: says nasus not doing anything and stacking shit Big Daddy Sion: You are playing nasus Big Daddy Sion: you just left clicked Big Daddy Sion: lol Big Daddy Sion: calm down Big Daddy Sion: bronzey Big Daddy Sion: lol okay Big Daddy Sion: "playing good" Big Daddy Sion: x Big Daddy Sion: d Big Daddy Sion: my main got perma banned for being toxic Big Daddy Sion: you just called me a drunk retard Big Daddy Sion: I havent said anything toxic Big Daddy Sion: x Big Daddy Sion: d Big Daddy Sion: your premade sucks nasus Big Daddy Sion: says the nasus main Big Daddy Sion: your premade is pretty dumb Big Daddy Sion: why didnt you ult nasus? Big Daddy Sion: stop ulting when you cant do anything Big Daddy Sion: its dumb Big Daddy Sion: kayle its lost Big Daddy Sion: shut up please Big Daddy Sion: you are really droney and annoying Big Daddy Sion: why fight 1v2? Big Daddy Sion: lol Big Daddy Sion: If you are reporting me report graves and nasus Big Daddy Sion: Kayle lol Big Daddy Sion: you are terrible Big Daddy Sion: stop playing...wait a sec Big Daddy Sion: you are playing a 450 champ Big Daddy Sion: and you dont know her core kit? Big Daddy Sion: x Big Daddy Sion: d Big Daddy Sion: you have no hope Big Daddy Sion: you have no hope Big Daddy Sion: :c Big Daddy Sion: 4/10 Big Daddy Sion: on kayle Big Daddy Sion: I am the support Big Daddy Sion: 16 assists Big Daddy Sion: What? Big Daddy Sion: I have 8 deaths Big Daddy Sion: you have 11 Big Daddy Sion: Do you think 8 is bigger than 11? Big Daddy Sion: XD Big Daddy Sion: Jesus Big Daddy Sion: 0 hope Big Daddy Sion: 20 kill participation Big Daddy Sion: you have 15 Big Daddy Sion: lol Big Daddy Sion: kayle Big Daddy Sion: you arent doing anything Big Daddy Sion: at least I know what numbers are bigger than others Big Daddy Sion: report kayle for flame Big Daddy Sion: rumble lol Big Daddy Sion: You got carried

Big Daddy Sion1 votes

This doesnt seem like the type of game you would get perma banned for

Jo0o8 votes

You spent the whole game flaming and berating your teammates, so I absolutely do believe it's worthy of a punishment. The degree of punishment kinda depends on your history.

What's especially concerning is that you mention your main got perma-banned for being toxic. That means you've been down this road before, yet continue to treat your team like this. That doesn't reflect well on your conduct. Even if you're one of those people that firmly believes you have the right to harass your teammates (you don't), you should have recognized from your other punishments that this kind of behavior isn't tolerated. Doing the same thing multiple times with the expectation of different results is the definition of insanity.

You claim you didn't get a 14-day ban. I can't seem to see your match history to confirm if you're telling the truth. What I CAN tell you is that yes, these are toxic logs, and yes, you had plenty of chances to learn better.

Big Daddy Sion1 votes

Haven't had a main, just said that to see what they would say.

Jo0o3 votes

Weird thing to lie about.

Big Daddy Sion1 votes

Why? I am barely silver, I hyped myself up to make myself seem like a better player, why is it weird?

HalcyonDweller3 votes

If you received a 14-day ban previously then any punishable behavior would result in a permanent ban. That is just the next step in the punishment progression. I personally don't agree with it, but Riot seems to think it works well, and they are the ones in charge of the system.

All that aside, why do you act so negative? Do you think that it somehow increases your chances of winning? Or are you distracted by ego and can't resist the urge to punish people for being worse intellectually or skillfully than you?

Big Daddy Sion1 votes

I literally have no friends irl, I am admitting this for the first time and I hide my face behind a screen and take my anger out on other players. simple

HalcyonDweller4 votes

That is very unfortunate, I'm sorry that you feel compelled to act that way. And I'm sorry that your situation makes you feel that way.

I don't know if this will help, but I'd like to offer some advice. When playing this game, you are more likely to have a fun time if your teammates are being friendly and positive, and you are more likely to have a terrible time when they are arguing and participating in flame-wars. So in my own opinion, it is probably in your best interest to not be negative towards other players, because doing so is more likely to make them tilt and flame than it is to make them listen or be positive.

If you want to take it a step further then you can try to be more of a team player or a leader. You can literally carry your team to victory by keeping their morale up and helping them to not tilt. I've written a whole bunch about this in the past, so I'll just paste in a quote from one of my other writings. The part about not getting banned won't help you on this account, but it may be of use to you if you decide to make another account and start over.

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Ok for advice I've got a few things. A lot of it is written out in the post linked below, but I'll elaborate a bunch and add a few points in my comment here as well.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/bv2m7fx4-feeders-and-toxic-teammates-got-you-down-this-may-help

Warning: Wall of text incoming. It's a lot to read, but trust me it's all useful techniques that I've used to great effect in my own games. It's worth your time if you are willing to read through it all.


1. On avoiding getting banned:

You don't want to get banned obviously, so first and foremost you should avoid being negative, passive aggressive, or insulting in any way from this point on. A good rule of thumb is this: If you wouldn't say it loudly to somebody in a public place in front of someone who's respect you hold dear, it's probably not something you should say to a stranger over the internet. Avoid being sarcastic, or saying anything to blame teammates.

Generally speaking, anything that you say that might anger your teammate is something that could make them report you. Whether or not their report for that statement is justified, if it triggers the IFS to review your behavior and the IFS finds something else that you said in that game that it thinks is punishable, it's going to punish you for the second thing even if the person reported you for something else.

Keep in mind that after a 14-day ban you're going to be on super thin ice. Even minor negativity may be enough to trigger another punishment, and unfortunately (and in this case, unfairly in my opinion) for you, the next punishment in the progression is a permanent ban. If you are not absolutely certain that you can talk to irritating teammates without saying something punishable, then it is better to not talk to those types of teammates at all. Mute them and don't even acknowledge what they say. You can safely report them yourself after the game and leave it in Riot's hands to deal with them.

After several months of consistently honorable (or otherwise positive) behavior, your account standing should improve and that 'thin-ice' and danger of being permabanned will loom over you much less.


2. On using past, present, and future tense to better steer discussions in a positive direction:

It especially helps to steer conversations into the future tense. reasons being this:

  • The past tense is often used for assigning blame
  • the present tense is often used for discussing values
  • and the future tense is often used for making choices or decisions in the future.

This is a subtle twist of language that a lot of people don't realize affects their discussions with others, and they react to it on a subconscious level.

For example, picture this happening in one of your games. Person A just died to a gank because they pushed up too far and didn't ward. Here we will look at the outcomes of using different verb tenses to discuss their death.

Case 1 - Past tense:

Person B: Dude you shouldn't have been so far up <- notice the past tense, this will often make Person A feel like they are being attacked, and they are more likely to react by defending themselves instead of focusing on playing smarter the next time. person A: I wasn't trying to die, they just caught me! It wasn't my fault!!!

Here Person A argued instead of recognizing or learning what they need to do better next time (ward and watch out for ganks).

Case 2 - Present tense:

Person B: Aww man that sucks, I'm sorry you're dead right now. it's not fair how they can pull bullshit like that. person A: Thanks! Yeah, it's so unfair!

Here both players commiserate over the unfortunate event. Nothing is learned from it, but Person A is at least feeling supported by person B. As long as you use the present tense like this (to express support for a teammate after something bad happens), it will serve a good purpose because it will put Person A's mind at ease and they won't be worried about getting flamed by Person B every time they make a mistake.

Case 3 - Future tense:

Person B: Oof that's unfortunate. Lets try to ward next time before you push like that again, maybe it will help keep you safe. person A: Thanks! I'll try that.

Here person B makes the discussion focus more on what to do about the problem in the future, and they do it in a helpful way. This helps Player A to see why their push ended badly for them and gives them a clear goal - a safer strategy to try the next time that they want to push.

Also, keep in mind that verb tense is more than just talking about when to do something. Telling somebody to "stop feeding/flaming" or to "feed/flame less next time" isn't really using the future tense, because it is still making the player's mistake from the past into the main focus of the discussion.


3. On maintaining team morale and preventing tilt and arguments.

A lot of the time, people begin to argue or tilt because of plays going badly. They can't accept responsibility (or fault / blame) for their mistakes, or they are upset because somebody else's mistake made the game harder to win.

A series of bad plays is sometimes all it takes to drive a team into the worst sorts of in-fighting and arguments. This is why it is super important to maintain team morale and to keep people focused on strategy and future plays.

When a play goes badly, you can head-off (or prevent) multiple problems. First you can prevent the player from tilting and getting anxious or afraid of their mistakes getting them blamed or harassed by the team. And second, you can help the whole team to not tilt by turning the focus away from the mistake and towards what can be done to prevent or make-up-for the mistake in the future.

To do this you need to use a combination of the present and future tense, in order to make the player (or team) feel supported while also giving them a clear goal of something to do better the next time around. For example, the future tense case from section 2. Notice how Player B commiserates with player A to make them feel like Player B is on their side ("oof that 's unfortunate," and then gives them an idea for what to do next time ("Maybe if we ward next time it will keep you safe.")

Maintaining team morale isn't just about preventing tilt though! You don't even have to try to make players feel better after a bad play if they are already feeling great in the first place! This is why it is important to compliment teammates whenever a play goes well.

If the jungler ganks top and they kill the enemy or force the enemy to waste resources... Say something like "good teamwork top & jungle" or "great gank" because these sorts of things will make them feel good about what they did well, and make them feel motivated to try to do such teamwork successfully again in the future.

If bottom lane gets a tower or mid lane roams and makes a successful play, compliment them for it! People love praise and it will make them feel like you have their back.

This has another benefit of making them trust you more, that way if things go wrong later and you need to give feedback or suggest they do something different, they will already think you are nice and will be less likely to take it personally or get upset when you tell them to do something differently.


Conclusion:

Phew! That was a lot, I hope it wasn't too much of a wall of text. That's most of what I have to say for now.

I've used each of these techniques to great effect in my own games, and I highly recommend you try them in your own. If you have any questions about them or you want to discuss other techniques, just let me know I'll be happy to talk more about this.

o brigid o2 votes

This was pretty negative from the very start.

The entire time all you did was implode on your own team instead of offering anything positive or constructive to try and elevate them to victory.

You even admit in your own log that you've been banned for toxicity before so you are well aware of your behavior and that it isn't acceptable.

At this point, regardless if you're on a new account or not, your behavior is not acceptable.

I strongly suggest you /mute all and move the chat window off your screen so you're not tempted to chat anymore. It isn't doing any good for you, or for the people you are harassing.

Big Daddy Sion1 votes

But what I am saying is I didnt do it for no reason, the whole time my teammates were arguing and stuff and I just told them to shut up, simple.

o brigid o2 votes

false.

you've provided the chat logs. we can clearly see you insulting your team almost the entire game. you seemed especially hard on nasus and instead of offering any advice to help your team play better, you just day "you suck" and "your stacks are shit" and "omg you don't know how to play an easy champ?!?!?" so no, you weren't just telling your team to stop arguing.

if your teammates are arguing you can easily mute them. it is neither your place nor your right to tell them to shut up in such a disrespectful and confrontational way.

Big Daddy Sion1 votes

Bit late now, meh whatever.

o brigid o2 votes

it's never to late to realize and admit your failings.

if you choose to continue playing League on other accounts, you can do so armed with the knowledge of your mistakes and how to remedy them going forward.

Pandemic Punch1 votes

This isn't even normal ban worthy. Riot needs to implement longer chat restrictions or replace keyword BANS with keyword CENSORSHIP. Leave REAL bans for intentional feeders.

You saying, "retard" is probably what hoisted the red flag for punishment. Which is very ridiculous since you didn't use it as an insult. Riot would be insane to think that this system is actually helping. It is also really sad that people in this thread will just look at your logs and if they detect ANY negativity at all, they immediately jump to "YOU DESERVE IT" instead of actually empathizing and saying that maybe you deserve something less than a permanent.

We seriously need to stop it with this safe space crap. This is a CAUSE of the problem and NOT THE SOLUTION. Most normal people just hard censor trigger words instead of permanently banning with trigger words. If Riot doesn't want you typing in chat then maybe they should have considered a 90-day, 365-day, or permanent chat restriction since that would get the job done. Then reserve the permanent ban in the event that you start intentionally feeding.

Good luck as you will be treated less than human now since you got a punishment. If you were super toxic and not punished, then people would be fine with it. The moment you get a punishment for the smallest thing, no one will care about what you say anymore. Even if you are friendly and just got caught up in taking up for a teammate who is being mentally broken down by an ACTUAL TOXIC PLAYER.

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