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Rasalas··3 votes·1,274 views

Alright, this has been bugging me for quite some time now.

Have you noticed how this game systematically punishes those who are frustrated with other people ruining your games (be it by going AFK, feeding, trolling, etc.), instead of punishing the people who are actually doing the actual ruining?

We have an environment here, where it is ok to be bad and not trying your best, but criticizing this behaviour is a mortal sin.

You never see those damn Teemo supports who go 3/14/2 in 20 minutes get punished. It's never the guy in the mid lane, who doesnt even know what a pink ward is and then cries about being constantly ganked. It's never the top lane Darius, who is in the losing matchup, has 47 CS in 10 minutes and still goes for Youmuu's Ghostblade, because he saw it work in a Youtube video.

It's always the guy who dares to say something to those people. This guys is always accused of flaming, crying and whatever shit the idiots I described above make up. We have an envirnoment in this game, where it's ok to suck.

Look, I get it. I'm competetive and I can get a bit carried away sometimes. But in every game I play, I always try my best. I want to win. And it is frustrating, to give my 100%, only to see this go to waste thanks to people who think it would be a great idea to flash for a poke on an ADC at 1:20 (just coming of game like that).

In this game, you are good to troll pick (hello support Nunu and Teemo and every single Yasuo and Yi i've ever met), to feed, to cry for ganks, to complain in all chat about how the [insert any champion] is OP, but it's bad to criticize this behaviour. I understand, there is some flaming that is really a problem. It's usualy coming from people, who are terrible at identifying mistakes and assessing game situations, in other words, from people who don't get the game.

But why should I be punished for getting angry about a guy who insta locks Katarina, when the opposing team has Amumu and Leona? Why should I be punished for suggesting to the mid laner to get some pink wards and maybe some MR so the LeBlanc doesn't get out of control?

I feel like the biggest obstacle in this game isn't the opposing team. It is your own. I wish I had a game where I can rely upon my team mates. Where I know, that I don't have to get obscenely fed in order to have a chance of winning, because the Vladimir in top lane is buying Spirit Visage as his third item, after he was pushed all the way to his inhibitor, despite 7 (!) of my roams. Which of course cost me my T1 turret, that was appreciated by my team with "noob mid".

Do something with this. There has to be a way to get rid of idiots in this game. Because half of the reports for flaming you get are just about people trying to win depsite their team and despite trying their best.

32 Comments

TrulyBland7 votes

But why should I be punished for getting angry about a guy who insta locks Katarina, when the opposing team has Amumu and Leona? Why should I be punished for suggesting to the mid laner to get some pink wards and maybe some MR so the LeBlanc doesn't get out of control?

Nobody gets punished for getting angry. People get punished for lacking self control. And if you get banned for "suggesting" things, it's because you cannot do that without being insulting and/or condescending. If you manage to give your advice in a calm and constructive manner, you will not get punished.

And that's the key. If you shout at people, they'll just get defensive and ignore you anyway. Shouting at people that make mistakes may work if you have some kind of authority; and even then it's debatable whether it's necessary or helpful. But in this game, you have no authority whatsoever, and the only way you can get people to learn from their mistakes is if you are calm and constructive. Will that always work? No. But it will work way more often than just flaming people. And if you really want to win this badly, then you'll need to learn how to properly play in a team of random people.

archerno17 votes

Because game doesnt revolve around you. Because person you are describing is actually only one breaking rules. Flashing to poke is not against rules. Instalocking katarina is not against rules. Losing lane and going 0:10 is not against rules. Building Youmuu on Darius is not against rules. Picking teemo (or any other champion) support is also not against rules. But getting angry and raging at people is.

Biggest obstacle in this game is not your team. But your mentality.

xXxAltaïrrxXx2 votes

This ^^^

Rasalas1 votes

I doubt there is a rule against being angry. And the things I described might not be against your imaginary rules, but they are rude and inconsiderate towards your teammates. Because you don't care if other people have fun (winning is fun right?), you just do, what you wanna do. Like a little kid without its parents.

The things I described are examples of people doing rude stuff to other people. Which in your opinion is OK. But saying rude things to people is "against the rules"? I don't follow. It's like saying it's better to kill somebody than to threaten to kill somebody?

What you wrote is such incredible hypocritical bullcrap from someone atop his ivory tower. Plus you are completely missing the point. The rules are simply bad. This is what my point is. You are example of the very mentality I'm describing. It's ok to suck at the game but getting angry about it is bad. So everyone just go, suck and feed and keep smiling about it, because it is fun right.

LoL (ranked) is considered an eSport so I'll give you a sport example. There are amateur football (soccer) leagues in my country (Czech republic) in every village. The guys are not real athletes, they have daily jobs, one is postman, other is butcher, the other one a lawyer etc. But they are part of a team and they play in this amateur league. How do you think would they react if somebody came to them, asking to play with them and absolutely sucked? Should they be also smiling and pretending nothing is happening? No, they would kindly tell him not to come again, because it's not for him.

Se we are trying to make LoL into this sport, but when it comes to ranked games even at lower elos (plat, gold), which are parallel to those amateur football leagues I was talking about, LoL is the only sport where criticism is punished. Sure, if you make a mistake in football, nobody will yell at you. They will probably smile and say these things happens. I'll do that do in a ranked game. But when the person is doing these mistakes over and over, your team mates will sooner or later tell you to fuck off. But if you do that in LoL, you are a flamer.

See the problem?

Icestar11862 votes

The problem isn't saying something. The problem is what you say and how you say it. Rule 1: Don't be a dick. I recently had a game where three players were really not doing well (feeding, etc), and our ADC starts raging at them. I agreed that they were doing badly, but I still reported the ADC. Constructive criticism ("try buying more armor," "Wait for the team before initiating," etc.) works better than the attitude you seem to have.

Rasalas1 votes

I absolutely agree. I never criticize somebody for one mistake. Hell, even if they are losing their lane I try to be helpful. But being polite over and over, only to get responded by "stfu noob" "you are bad lol" while I'm clearly dominating my lane (might sound a little cocky, but its not very often I lose in mid lane), I just snap and go nuclear. I know it's bad, but think it's a bit unreal to be positive all the time when others shit on you.

ModPrandine1 votes

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I absolutely agree. I never criticize somebody for one mistake. Hell, even if they are losing their lane I try to be helpful. But being polite over and over, only to get responded by "stfu noob" "you are bad lol" while I'm clearly dominating my lane (might sound a little cocky, but its not very often I lose in mid lane), I just snap and go nuclear. I know it's bad, but think it's a bit unreal to be positive all the time when others shit on you.

No ones saying that you have to be a saint. All we're saying is that before hitting Enter ask yourself "is what I am about to say in anyway constructive or helpful?" and if it's not then don't press enter. Yes there will always be people who just want to rage and be jerks no matter how respectful you try to be with them. In those cases its better to just mute them and report them and continue on with your own game. Bottom line: As long as you're trying to interact with others in a neutral or positive manner then it's unlikely that you'll ever be punished for poor behavior since the Instant Feedback Systems only punish those who have a history of consistent negative behavior.

Dragfin1 votes

{quoted}

The problem isn't saying something. The problem is what you say and how you say it. Rule 1: Don't be a dick. I recently had a game where three players were really not doing well (feeding, etc), and our ADC starts raging at them. I agreed that they were doing badly, but I still reported the ADC. Constructive criticism ("try buying more armor," "Wait for the team before initiating," etc.) works better than the attitude you seem to have.

This is the world coddling produced. You can say something direct in the most diplomatic way possible and people lose their friggin minds. Don't pretend that you don't know this.

Zielmann6 votes

It doesn't matter if other people overreact. What matters is what the system punishes. In league saying something direct in the most diplomatic of ways won't get you punished. Don't pretend that you don't know this.

TrulyBland1 votes

And depending on what exactly people do/say when they "lose their friggin minds" (the scenario Damagefox describes, for example) that reaction to criticism may in itself be punishable.

Dragfin1 votes

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It doesn't matter if other people overreact. What matters is what the system punishes. In league saying something direct in the most diplomatic of ways won't get you punished. Don't pretend that you don't know this.

Nothing to do with the topic at hand. Not even close.

Zielmann2 votes

What's it matter how other people react? Ignore them. Mute them if you have to. If they're only whining about you trying to help them, they're probably a lost cause anyhow.

The only reason to be remotely concerned about this topic is if you're afraid some false reports are going to get you banned.

Damagefox1 votes

Yup, as I said, I have given polite, helpful advice "I play that champ and I find it helps if..." and I gave polite advice. What I got back was verbal diarrhea, a temper tantrum and "STFU AND DONT TELL ME HOW TO PLAY! , REPORTED!"

So for trying to help a player having a problem, I get yelled at, screamed at, cussed out, and reported. All because these players are so full of themselves they dont like hearing anything that doesnt drown them in glowing praise and compliments. Even the most polite criticism, no matter how constructive, is taken as toxic verbal abuse and leads to a complete temper tantrum, hissy fit, and the throwing of toys.

That is why I refer to the league community as Preschoolers/toddlers. Because THAT IS HOW THEY ACT. Doesnt matter how nice you are, they still throw a temper tantrum if everything doesnt go THIER WAY.

Zielmann2 votes

If what you're saying is true, that you only gave helpful advice in a constructive manner, then why do you care that you might or might not have been reported? The system will analyze any game you're reported in. If you didn't do anything wrong, that report is basically thrown out so it won't count against you for anything.

You're right, people shouldn't lose their minds when somebody is legit trying to be nice and helpful. Though I will say that if you're trying to be helpful and somebody is clearly not being receptive to it, it's best to just stay quiet, even if your intentions and approach are good. Don't poke the hornet's nest, you know?

Icestar11861 votes

If they lose it over a perfectly reasonable comment, then they're the problem. I am aware that there are people like that, but most people are reasonable.

Dragfin1 votes

{quoted}

If they lose it over a perfectly reasonable comment, then they're the problem. I am aware that there are people like that, but most people are reasonable.

Talk to me when you crawl out from under that rock you are living at.

Mistress Shyvana2 votes

You right. This game has been getting more and more catering to everyone and everything

Kei1432 votes

Maybe try to learn and give constructive criticism without being toxic?

Kledy McKledFace1 votes

dude ive had a jhin with 62 cs at 25 mins -_- and I had 90 as morgana support

skooterking52 votes

I cant even....like wtf. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Handy Sandy 1 votes

The people you're complaining about aren't as good as you. Either you're a smurf and shouldn't belong in that league or you just have very bad luck. If you really want to solve the problem, post another discussion looking for teammates to play with.

Damagefox1 votes

Yes thats right, rather than adress the PROBLEM, you attack the OP. Oh you must be a smurf, so all your complaints, all the problems you bring up are invalid/moot

You all seem to do the same thing. Rather than discussing the problem you attack the presenter. You dont discuss the points, you bring up the PLAYERS stats in order to discount/devalue the problem they are trying to bring up. Whether its thier stats, thier kda, thier builds. Or whatever else it is, Anything you can do to say "anything you say is invalid/doesnt exist because....Reasons.

I have experienced alot of the same things as the OP's observations. and I have been in bronze sinse season 3 BECAUSE I have to deal with these "morons" that crop out of the woodwork. Yes, some people arent as skilled as OP. But it doesnt matter if you try and help them, AND THEY TURN AROUND AND REPORT YOU FOR IT.

I have tried to give friendly advice "Hey I have had good luck with X item on that champ" and for my effort? I get a "STFU AND DONT TELL ME HOW TO PLAY!, Reported!"

Why? because the league community is full of idiotic toddlers, thats the way they ACT. and The sad thing is, Ruin-it (Riot) Seems to be coddling and nurturing this attitude. Which is makeing it ALOT harder for people to climb out if they are unable to actually tell thier teammates where they are going wrong, no matter HOW politely you try, without risk getting permabanned for suggesting items, giving advice on how to improve, etc. Why? because these spoiled toddlers believe they are the all-perfect, all-knowing god-tier players sent from above. And they refuse to accept anything other than glowing praise.

But then people like you come along when someone brings these issues to light and says "Well your winrate/stats are too high,You must be a smurf so you cant say anything. Just shut up and post a discussion looking for teammates" because thats what you sound like.

Problem wont be solved if people like you shut down every person who tries to bring these problems into the light.

Handy Sandy 1 votes

Problem wont be solved if people like you shut down every person who tries to bring these problems into the light.

Go to boards. Click on Team Recruitment. Find someone looking for a team for the league you're in. Problem solved?

Damagefox1 votes

Problem is still there, you havent solved anything. You merely chose to look in another direction. Its like watching A building on fire. You turn 180 Degrees and "Oh look! I dont see any building on fire" Meanwhile the building on fire still continues to burn behind you. Again, you just chose Not to look at it because you dont like what you see. Better just to look in another direction and pretend it doesnt exist.

Handy Sandy 1 votes

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Problem is still there, you havent solved anything. You merely chose to look in another direction. Its like watching A building on fire. You turn 180 Degrees and "Oh look! I dont see any building on fire" Meanwhile the building on fire still continues to burn behind you. Again, you just chose Not to look at it because you dont like what you see. Better just to look in another direction and pretend it doesnt exist.

u got a point :V

Itankyou1 votes

Get ur game ruined, rekt

Dragfin1 votes

{quoted}

Alright, this has been bugging me for quite some time now.

Have you noticed how this game systematically punishes those who are frustrated with other people ruining your games (be it by going AFK, feeding, trolling, etc.), instead of punishing the people who are actually doing the actual ruining?

We have an environment here, where it is ok to be bad and not trying your best, but criticizing this behaviour is a mortal sin.

You never see those damn Teemo supports who go 3/14/2 in 20 minutes get punished. It's never the guy in the mid lane, who doesnt even know what a pink ward is and then cries about being constantly ganked. It's never the top lane Darius, who is in the losing matchup, has 47 CS in 10 minutes and still goes for Youmuu's Ghostblade, because he saw it work in a Youtube video.

It's always the guy who dares to say something to those people. This guys is always accused of flaming, crying and whatever shit the idiots I described above make up. We have an envirnoment in this game, where it's ok to suck.

Look, I get it. I'm competetive and I can get a bit carried away sometimes. But in every game I play, I always try my best. I want to win. And it is frustrating, to give my 100%, only to see this go to waste thanks to people who think it would be a great idea to flash for a poke on an ADC at 1:20 (just coming of game like that).

In this game, you are good to troll pick (hello support Nunu and Teemo and every single Yasuo and Yi i've ever met), to feed, to cry for ganks, to complain in all chat about how the [insert any champion] is OP, but it's bad to criticize this behaviour. I understand, there is some flaming that is really a problem. It's usualy coming from people, who are terrible at identifying mistakes and assessing game situations, in other words, from people who don't get the game.

But why should I be punished for getting angry about a guy who insta locks Katarina, when the opposing team has Amumu and Leona? Why should I be punished for suggesting to the mid laner to get some pink wards and maybe some MR so the LeBlanc doesn't get out of control?

I feel like the biggest obstacle in this game isn't the opposing team. It is your own. I wish I had a game where I can rely upon my team mates. Where I know, that I don't have to get obscenely fed in order to have a chance of winning, because the Vladimir in top lane is buying Spirit Visage as his third item, after he was pushed all the way to his inhibitor, despite 7 (!) of my roams. Which of course cost me my T1 turret, that was appreciated by my team with "noob mid".

Do something with this. There has to be a way to get rid of idiots in this game. Because half of the reports for flaming you get are just about people trying to win depsite their team and despite trying their best.

All you say has been bugging a lot of people but unfortunately in todays society it falls on deaf ears because the people who should be listening are the same people you are talking about in one area of their life or another.

Ellis McPickle1 votes

Maybe try not telling other people how to play since no one asked for your advice in the first place.

Damagefox2 votes

Yeah I know, because How dare you see someone make the same mistake over and over and make suggestions on how they could get a different result. Because everyone knows everything. They dont need any advice from anyone, they are just that good. How dare someone actually try and help other people improve The NERVE! Who cares if you do it politely. Helping people is BAAAAAD.

XerShade1 votes

I play ADC jungle, always get first or second best score, but hey I must be a moron by your logic.

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