Context doesn't matter in negative messages.

fednhungry··3 votes·535 views
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Even for a zero tolerance system, I believe this is a bit harsh.

In all chat I was trading jokes with the other team about incest, necrophilia, and other dark humour shit. I understand that some people could've gotten uncomfortable, but the mute button is always available. What's happened, happened and I'm over it, but this seems a bit harsh to me.

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Chermorg9 votes

The mute button is not an excuse to say things that have a high likelihood of offending someone or making someone uncomfortable.

Just like the fact bulletproof vests are a thing doesn't mean you can go shooting people in the chest.

fednhungry2 votes

I said I understand, and comparing a shooting to offending someone in a video game is pretty extreme. If you look at the bigger picture, this system could be abused considering it's an instant feedback system. Anything that is negative no matter what is going to get you restricted.

Chermorg1 votes

You said "I understand people get uncomfortable, but" (emphasis mine).

That implies you think the mute button is an excuse to be negative.

However, believe what you want. You're wrong about "anything that is negative". It's only either extreme toxicity or repeated toxicity that is punished.

Vikådin2 votes

{quoted}

The mute button is not an excuse to say things that have a high likelihood of offending someone or making someone uncomfortable.

Just like the fact bulletproof vests are a thing doesn't mean you can go shooting people in the chest.

If the "mute" button = bullet proof vest, and "offensive/uncomfortable ideas/words" are bullets...

I would love to see riot implement an in game tool equivalent to "shooting people in the head"

I am in no way advocating violence or real life violence against anyone. Simply following the metaphoric analogy left in the comment to which I am replying.

Though it occurs to me that being a trolly troll and trolling people into saying frustrated things in chat, and then reporting them and letting riot perma ban them for "things that offend or make people uncomfortable" is probably pretty close to that bullet-meets-head analogy... Bypass the vest all-together and go for the winning shot, right? Why shoot at the vest at all if you know how to make a headshot without ever being in range for the target to shoot back? (IE, don't speak in chat, just troll silently and not feed heavily enough to be determined to be inting, and get people perma banned for flaming the troll or even asking them to stop.)

No wonder all the legitimate, frustrated players of this game became the trolls that people complain about in 20%-85% of their games. What an effective way to breed trolls and teach them how to cause the most damage to other players without ever being punished by riot for their actions.

I strongly disagree with your suggestion and your metaphor. I think it would be very unhealthy for the community in the long run. I think telling players to use their vests and punishing headshotting trolls instead of those who return fire when fired upon, would be a more effective and healthy means for the community to approach this issue of "offense" and "trolling".

And your metaphor, frankly, was really offensive to me. School shootings and night club shootings have become a real problem in my area and your blatant disregard for the trauma many people have endured should be punished. You have no regard or respect for how your careless words hurt and offend poor traumatized victims. Your callous disregard for human life when you compare people being shot to you personally having your feelings hurt by a 3 letter word on the internet... It's disturbing to me that you could be so offensive and yet act like you are the offended victim who has to report and punish people for saying mean things to you on the internet.

Edit: and by the way, the context in which you used the metaphor or your intent doesn't matter AT ALL. Just the fact you used those words and said those things in any context whatsoever is you using negative words and messages.

Silent Gravity3 votes

For your chat to be reviewed by the system, someone has to report you. That means that someone was not a willing participant in the shit. The mute function is not an excuse for saying whatever you want to say.

Zelorxon2 votes

Or maybe he was just an asshole like every league player ever and was aware that the dogshit system flags you even if you say "engineer" and wanted to abuse that, otherwise people wouldn't be banned when flaming people in their premades. And by the way, if those "sensitive" topics are triggering you so much, ignoring the fact that you're not involved and people are having innocent fun, why don't just ask them to stop? If they're not doing it with an inflammatory purpose they should have no problems stopping to do that, not that you wait the end of the game and then snitch it out, since WE ARE BEING SILENCED IN OUR EVERYDAY LIFE AND YOU'RE NOT REALIZING IT BECAUSE EVEN THIS IS PART OF THE BRAINWASHING YOU ARE GREEDILY SWALLOWING. Not counting we are being distracted with this minor bullshit while much bigger stuff goes happening around but we are here discussing about a videogame you guys don't even know how to play about mean words, it's almost like words are the actual game here.

ModPeriscope1 votes

Is it a system silencing you? Because it starts with a single report. And you get punished based on what other players want or don't want in their game.

Vikådin1 votes

{quoted}

Or maybe he was just an asshole like every league player ever and was aware that the dogshit system flags you even if you say "engineer" and wanted to abuse that, otherwise people wouldn't be banned when flaming people in their premades. And by the way, if those "sensitive" topics are triggering you so much, ignoring the fact that you're not involved and people are having innocent fun, why don't just ask them to stop? If they're not doing it with an inflammatory purpose they should have no problems stopping to do that, not that you wait the end of the game and then snitch it out, since WE ARE BEING SILENCED IN OUR EVERYDAY LIFE AND YOU'RE NOT REALIZING IT BECAUSE EVEN THIS IS PART OF THE BRAINWASHING YOU ARE GREEDILY SWALLOWING. Not counting we are being distracted with this minor bullshit while much bigger stuff goes happening around but we are here discussing about a videogame you guys don't even know how to play about mean words, it's almost like words are the actual game here.

Upvoted. Too much focus has been put on so called "offensive words" for far too long.

fednhungry1 votes

I'm fully aware, however in this case it's quite unique because the person that reported me also called me a pussy and the n word.

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