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The Persistent Problem With Riot's "Tribunal System"

RealPartyPhil··7 votes·1,135 views

Last season I was placed in Bronze 1, fell all the way to Bronze 5, and carried myself through what I thought would be the worst division in League of Legends to Silver 2. To my great disbelief, once I hit Silver there was literally almost no change in the amount of teams I was placed on with trolls, AFK's, and people who just plain had no idea what they were doing. My friends in gold and platinum say the same things about players in their elo.

I stopped playing a couple weeks before season 5 ended, got my border, and remained in silver for the entirety of the preseason. This season I was placed Bronze 2 (which I have no complaints about seeing how many players placed below their end season rank) and have been fairly excited to play the game in season 6. The thing that is most perturbing to me is although the punishment and reporting system was adjusted there are still a large number of players who solely play the game to ruin it for other people. It also seems that players with positive influence on the community are receiving bans from the same people they are trying to correct.

I just had the displeasure of playing a game with Summoner "3n(1n4528," (not his real name) who for matchmaking chose main mid, secondary jungle. He was given jungle. As anyone can probably guess, the first thing typed in chat was "mid or feed" from no other than E28. Our mid lane graciously took jungle (a role he does not normally enjoy playing) in order to keep the team content. Commendable. Unfortunately, for the first 2 minutes of the game E28 was "Taking a Sh8" and once in lane proceeded to feed non stop in every lane and jungle half for the entirety of the game.

I am operating under the assumption (as it was clearly voiced in game) that most people in the game reported E28. Unfortunately, this is a persistent issue. E28 did not just have a bad game, he didn't just lose lane because the other player was better, and he didn't lose because of poor item optimization. He lost intentionally. Sure, the other team was happy to get a free win, but this kind of activity ruins the game for both sides. Essentially this turns the game into a bot game, where one team loses their gaming experience because the other team is about as capable as a team of bots. The losing team... I'm sure no one needs explanation on why this is not fun.

I understand that since this is an online game with all types of players not every game is going to go well. Not every player on your team will be the same caliber. Not every player will have as much game knowledge. Hell, some people might be terrible at league but just enjoy the lore. My issue is not with these players. People who actually give a consistent effort and have fun are the type of people I want to play with. My problem is that people who curse or try to direct their team or get agitated are punished equally - if not worse - than players who are simply there to ruin everyone else's gaming experience.

Apparently there is a team that is in charge of investigating whether or not players truly deserve bans or ban warnings based on their behavior. Fortunately for us, there is a mute button for people with flagrant uses of language or attitude problems. Realistically the rito police shouldn't need to coddle people through not seeing potty language. Unfortunately, players have no way to be sure that they will load into a game with 4 other well intending players in soloq.

The solution to this problem may not be simple, but I guarantee that the ban system is not adequate to control this problem. Dota has low prio games, GTA5 has low prio online zones, many games will permanently ban accounts or have some sort of deterrent for these players at a much faster pace than 20 5 minute wait bans. Why isn't there a more potent ban system for League of Legends, a game which has a community regarded as one of the most toxic online.

TL;DR: The BanHammer needs a damn upgrade.

26 Comments

RealPartyPhil2 votes

Honestly it is pretty disappointing that people are more concerned with not damaging a troll's reputation than with consistently playing in enjoyable games. Clearly this was a mistake. Thank you for showing how content everyone is with getting into terrible games.

Zombiemaster1 votes

It's not that we are trying to protect a troll at all. We are informing you of the rules that Riot has put in place to protect your thread from getting deleted.

RealPartyPhil1 votes

I appreciate it, not everyone's post was as constructive as yours.

SmokedAlmonds4 votes

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Honestly it is pretty disappointing that people are more concerned with not damaging a troll's reputation than with consistently playing in enjoyable games. Clearly this was a mistake. Thank you for showing how content everyone is with getting into terrible games.

People aren't concerned with trolls reputation. They are concerned about false accusations against innocent players based on 1 persons perception of what happened.

I see poor play and disagreement on strategy get called trolled FAR more than actualy related to trolling.

RealPartyPhil1 votes

I completely understand this perspective, everyone has bad games. I just don't feel that bots and intentional maliciousness are that difficult to identify.

AraMoOse2 votes

Do not call it "My Logic". On the one hand there is no such thing as "MY" logic, there is only Logic. Something is logical or it is not. On the other hand, the line of logical reasoning was not mine, it was yours. I simply illustrated the flaw in it.

It's interesting to note how quickly you turn to insults and passive aggressivity when someone disagrees with you. If you really want to go down that road I should warn you that your claiming I have a philosophy degree simply because you are incapable of seeing the logical outcomes of your reasoning does not put you in a very good light.

      Think this through carefully. You have not been right so far and have done little but look foolish, do you REALLY want to continue?
RealPartyPhil1 votes

Considering how you came to this post as the aggressor I would say this little shame reversal you are attempting isn't really going to affect me. And for some reason you're still here to contest?

I said your logic because no one else in the thread posted it for you.

I said I don't see this rule as legitimate. how in any translation does that mean I am ignorant or feel immune to punishment? You have a lot of fancy vocabulary but the reading comprehension is a bit lacking. You aren't going to bully me off my thread

AraMoOse1 votes

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Considering how you came to this post as the aggressor I would say this little shame reversal you are attempting isn't really going to affect me. And for some reason you're still here to contest?

I said your logic because no one else in the thread posted it for you.

I said I don't see this rule as legitimate. how in any translation does that mean I am ignorant or feel immune to punishment? You have a lot of fancy vocabulary but the reading comprehension is a bit lacking. You aren't going to bully me off my thread

I'm sorry, you're very confused as to my intentions here.

  • I did not come here "As an aggressor". I expressed the flaw in your line of reasoning by applying it to a situation that would be more clear. You see this as aggression for some reason.

  • I have not attempted to shame you, nor have you shamed me. Shame is simply not a factor in this discussion. -I have NEVER represented your argument as being "I didn't know this rule, therefore I shouldn't be punished". The argument I have addressed was "I do not agree with this rule, therefore I shouldn't be punished for not abiding by it". This IS something you have said. -Thank you for your compliments regarding my vocabulary. With respect to my "reading comprehension", I'd like to point out that, ironically enough, precise and deliberate choice of vocabulary is very important to reader comprehension. I doubt my vocabulary is really more diverse than yours (English is my second language) and therefore would invite you, if being misunderstood is really a concern of yours, to use the vocabulary you have at your disposal.

  • Finally, I don't understand how you equate a discussion with you as bullying. I have not engaged in attacks on your person, nor have I attempted to prevent you from expressing yourself. You, on the other hand...

RealPartyPhil1 votes

You tickle me pink. I just don't know why you care so much. This argument got circular a long time ago. Sorry if it isn't translating well for you I'm really just pushing your buttons at this point. Logic v Rhetoric someone call Socrates and Gorgias

Lady Donatella1 votes

I don't think you are allowed to name the summoners who trolled you.

RealPartyPhil2 votes

I really don't see that as a legitimate rule. If a player is consistently toxic the community deserves to know. This is yet another issue with Riot's punishment system

AraMoOse1 votes

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I really don't see that as a legitimate rule. If a player is consistently toxic the community deserves to know. This is yet another issue with Riot's punishment system

Fascinating. You know what I don't think I see theft as a legitimate rule, I think I should go rob a bank.

RealPartyPhil2 votes

Fascinating. You know what, I don't see sex offenders as a threat to my neighborhood, I don't think they should have to alert other residents. Aren't rhetorical arguments fun? Name sufficiently changed to be unrecognizable

AraMoOse1 votes

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Fascinating. You know what, I don't see sex offenders as a threat to my neighborhood, I don't think they should have to alert other residents. Aren't rhetorical arguments fun? Name sufficiently changed to be unrecognizable

I'm not sure yourealize you are simply re enunciating my criticism of your line of reasoning. You are not the one who decides what the rules are. Not viewing a rule as "legitimate" does not constitute a license to ignore that rule with impunity.

RealPartyPhil1 votes

I was actually commenting on how you took a forum rule example and stretched it to an unrelated extreme to prove a point. Sarcasm is pretty difficult to do online since it is a nonverbal. If you wrack your brain you might figure it out

AraMoOse1 votes

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I was actually commenting on how you took a forum rule example and stretched it to an unrelated extreme to prove a point. Sarcasm is pretty difficult to do online since it is a nonverbal. If you wrack your brain you might figure it out

Oh please. "If you wrack your brain..."

The dialectical direction I took is one we call a "Reductio ad absurdum". It involves using someone's argument, opinion, syllogism (In your case this syllogism was : "If I do not find a rule to be legitimate, I should not be punished for ignoring it") and applying it in another situation where the absurdity is made evident. Presumably, you agree that I do not have the right to rob a bank simply because I don't accept the rule as legitimate. If you are interested in looking at your views logically, you therefore understand that you cannot simply say "I view X rule as illegitimate and therefore cannot be punished for violating it"

RealPartyPhil1 votes

The only issue with your logic in this situation is that I never claimed to be unpunishable. Everyone knows that ignorance of the law is no excuse, but I did not say I was ignorant and therefore not able to be punished. I simply disagree with the rule. I would ask if you had something better to do with your philosophy degree, but that seems laughable now based on your commitment to this post.

Jorencice1 votes

It causes witch hunts. Which are 100x worse than simply trolling a single game.

Hell I could make a thread saying YOU did something you didnt. And turn 100s of people against you. With you have no chance to defend yourself.

RealPartyPhil1 votes

You could, but how would this affect in game play? If the player decided to change his behavior and perform well in game then what would be the motivation to troll him? I would also be very disappointed if putting someones name on a board motivated 100s of people to help me. Mob mentality is dangerous read some Mark Twain he loves that stuff.

Zombiemaster1 votes

It's actually a universal rule for the boards. Calling out other players for negative behavior and putting their actual summoner name in your is against the rules of the boards, and will only get your thread removed/deleted.

A big reason for this is that we have no idea if you're telling the truth just based on this post alone. You could very easily be lying and try to make a bad reputation for this player simply because they did something that you didn't like but isn't punishable, which could then lead to a "witch hunt." Now, I'm not saying that you are lying, I'm just informing you as to why Riot has this rule in place.

RealPartyPhil1 votes

After going back to read the rules I have adjusted the name. It is in no way a literal translation of his summoner name, but I still don;t think that hiding someone's online name is going to make punishment easier. I hope that you can tell this is not just a rage thread, I tried to be as thorough and clear as possible.

CerebralKnight1 votes

You should be allowed to though to be honest.

RealPartyPhil1 votes

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You should be allowed to though to be honest.

This is my viewpoint on this as well. Gameplay is how this is normally addressed, gameplay can also determine how honest the complaint is.

Jorencice1 votes

Also your first problem was actually listening to the elo terrorist.

I had someone go mid or feed yesterday.

I ignored him he went soraka teleport smite and then proceded to dodge with 1 second left because 99% of people that say mid or feed are just cowards that want someone else to dodge for them.

RealPartyPhil1 votes

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Also your first problem was actually listening to the elo terrorist.

I had someone go mid or feed yesterday.

I ignored him he went soraka teleport smite and then proceded to dodge with 1 second left because 99% of people that say mid or feed are just cowards that want someone else to dodge for them.

I'd say this would solve the problem at most half the time

Revelstoke1 votes

Basically from what I've been able to find is, its a harder problem for the player behavior team to solve, so there going to work on improving it never "later" You know, after they get the new champ select working perfectly. 2019. ish. and after lyte does a few more talks about how good his naughty word detector is...

For some reason they decided the Language filter was more important, Even thou their own data shows that feeders/afks are much much worse for the success of the team (I know right, how is this a surprise) Perhaps its got more to do with Mummies not buying their kids RP Cards for games with naughty words in it, I don't know but as with most things the company doesn't care as long as the money is still rolling in.

Imho, its much worse than any kind of chat reportable offense, I mean, there's a mute button built in.. Someone wants to feed or afk, well nothing you can do in game and by the way, your stuck here for 20 minutes...

In the meanwhile keep reporting.. (Even though you know, there's still pro trolls playing tahm kench killing their team-mates and still not banned after 70+ games with average kda's of 0-15)

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