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Explain how this results in a ban

HorseWang··2 votes·1,821 views

Context: i went to pick Aatrox pre-game and the client lagged on me so the other guy got aatrox, now my insult wasnt directe at him, rather just an expletive for that scenario.

Throughout the game he kept stealing my kills so when i asked him about it he stated "smart guess %%%%%%" so every time he died to bots I would point out that he died, hardly against player behaviour as im making factual arguments. He then went on a racist rant about me being white etc etc.

I can see how ironic it is that i said they'd be banned and here i am, as far as i know they werent banned. Riot, please explain. They've directly insulted me, used their abilities to my detriment, had racist remarks and were constantly abusing me, how can you justify my ban firstly and then not their ban.

Game 1 Pre-Game HorseWang: %%%%
HorseWang: took aatrox In-Game HorseWang: ok HorseWang: bet ull ks all yeah HorseWang: one of those HorseWang: pro player HorseWang: who dies to bots HorseWang: twice! HorseWang: agreed HorseWang: dead again! HorseWang: im making fun of you HorseWang: yes? HorseWang: and? HorseWang: which type? HorseWang: im germanic HorseWang: you;re the one who started this fyi HorseWang: must be asian HorseWang: smart best, %%% HorseWang: lol i asked if he was going to steal all the kills HorseWang: he then proceeded to agree and then call me a %%% HorseWang: 100% sure he went overboard HorseWang: hes the one complainiong! HorseWang: jesus HorseWang: no i just said %%%% HorseWang: nah id rather get these guys a 14 day :P:P:P:P HorseWang: 14 day mute/ban HorseWang: cause they've used key words the system will pick up HorseWang: so i want him to continue HorseWang: you dont even need to be reported, the system will pick it up HorseWang: all my white priviledge :D HorseWang: and you are? HorseWang: youll get riot to check the logs HorseWang: lol ok. HorseWang: does your dad own riot or something? HorseWang: too bad riot is owned by tencent HorseWang: and the ceo of riot is like 42 HorseWang: terrible try though

32 Comments

AeroWaffle6 votes

so every time he died to bots I would point out that he died, hardly against player behaviour as im making factual arguments.

It's plainly obvious that you're doing that to try and piss them off. Which is against the rules.

J6vV2un2c86 votes

Every player is judged completely as an individual, meaning nothing he said effects if you get banned, and nothing you said effects if he got banned. Trust me, people who troll or are unsportsmanlike in champ select tilt the hell out of me too. And I would be lying if I said I never voiced that anger in game. But it is far more satisfying to mute them and report, as they get punished and you walk away completely unscathed. Vengeance is ok, but victory is sweeter.

As for why you got banned, I am not sure what your censored words are but I assume they are quite bad or else they wouldn't be censored. They likely triggered the automatic system. Furthermore, you harassed the guy. Yes, I know he started it, was harassing you too, and may well even have deserved it. But none of those facts change that you did harass him, and that is all the system cares about.

HorseWang1 votes

telling someone that theyve died three times is not harrassment and if it is, then thats extremely weak. If I was in a ranked match and told ashe every time she missed an arrow would that be harrassment or merely statement of fact and even a gateway to improvement. THe word I used in legal in AUstralia and used often in public, while i understand the game operates globally, this is the OCE server, dominated by Australian residents. The term was also not directed at an individual but a declatory remark. hence cannot break the summoners code.

J6vV2un2c85 votes

I mean, that simply is not true that you were not harassing him. You said in the chat log yourself "HorseWang: im making fun of you" You know you were making fun of him, he knew you were making fun of him, and Riot knows you were making fun of him, hence the punishment.

Also, legal doesn't make something ok in League of Legends. Here in the US you can legally say some pretty horrendous things, as you have free speech. That doesn't mean you won't get banned. Hypothetically for example the N word, I can legally say that all I want (I don't obviously), but if I were to start saying it in League I would be banned on the spot. The law, and the rules of a private company, are not the same thing.

HorseWang1 votes

as mentioned below, discrimination. Where is the line of harassment crossed, if i stated it once would it be crossed, twice, three times? where the standardisation

Aneirin4 votes

They've directly insulted me, used their abilities to my detriment, had racist remarks and were constantly abusing me

And you did the same back. Two wrongs don't make a right. They were most likely punished as well.

HorseWang1 votes

How did i do the same back? I didnt insult him, didnt provide racist remarks, all i merely did out of all of this was the pre game comment which wasnt aimed at anyone and is a term thats used and is legal where im from and call out his deaths when they occured. If that contsitutes harrassment, thats really quite sad and the team need to address what that really is. I was doing it to annoy him purely because he kept kill stealing and because he called me a '%%%'

Once again, I cannot for the life of me see where I did anything wrong in this situation.

Aneirin5 votes

I didnt insult him, didnt provide racist remarks HorseWang: you;re the one who started this fyi HorseWang: must be asian HorseWang: smart best, %%%

What exactly is this then?

a term thats used and is legal where im from

You don't agree to follow local laws, you agree to follow the ToU and Summoners Code. From the ToU: v. Transmitting or communicating any content which, in the sole and exclusive discretion of Riot Games, is deemed offensive, including language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethically, or otherwise objectionable;

In any case just because it's a word used on the street doesn't mean it's okay to use in strange company. I'm from OCE too and no way would anyone use that around people they don't know.

call out his deaths when they occured

Needless and has no purpose except harassment.

I was doing it to annoy him

Clear violation of the Summoners Code.

HorseWang: %%%%
HorseWang: took aatrox

Maybe that wasn't directed at him, but how's he meant to know? If I locked in a champ and someone said that of course I'd assume it was directed at me.

HorseWang1 votes

saying must be asian is not a racist remark, look up the word racism. I merely stated that becaise of what he said to me and about whites/australians.

to deny the use of legal language is an infringement on free speech and on normative cultural speech, something im sure riot wouldn't do against other cultures.

sure you can accept that thats harassment, i'd argue what he was doing was so much worse, but to grant a 14 day ban is extremely excessive.

What does it matter if he does or doesnt know, just as much as he may not know, he cant definitively say it was intended for him. Merely was an annoyance with the league client, otherwise id say f you for picking aatrox etc

HorseWang1 votes

fyi im asian but can recognise racism regardless

HorseWang1 votes

Downvoting when I say I'm Asian, hmm, bit of racism there

Aneirin4 votes

to deny the use of legal language is an infringement on free speech and on normative cultural speech, something im sure riot wouldn't do against other cultures

No such thing as infringement of free speech in a private setting. Riot has complete control over what can and can't be said on their servers. There's no law against using the N word either, do you really think that means Riot can't ban people who do? You agreed to the terms when you created your account - maybe you should actually try reading things before agreeing to them and then complaining.

i'd argue what he was doing was so much worse

Doesn't matter what he was doing, your punishment is separate from his.

HorseWang1 votes

it would simply mean that riot is taking a position to infringe on certain cultural speech and not others, which would be discriminatory

Modi2 votes

to deny the use of legal language is an infringement on free speech

This is a private organization, who is allowed to make rules that you must follow. The first amendment applies to government (specifically Congress) being forbidden to infringe. It does not apply to how Riot runs their private space.

on normative cultural speech

Normative or not, it is still against the rules

Azure Hamster3 votes

I can't say I had much hope when I saw your summoner name.

Caitlyn

HorseWang1 votes

my last name is wang and my family own a farm, i think its fine tyvm

Arngrim313 votes

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my last name is wang and my family own a farm, i think its fine tyvm

You are a terrible liar.

HorseWang1 votes

factual actually, come down to wyndham and ill happily show you

DearPear2 votes

so every time he died to bots I would point out that he died, hardly against player behaviour as im making factual arguments.

I haven't read the logs yet but I can tell you that you're a dick and as such you're punished. I'm just making a factual statement.

As for the logs, the whole thing is punishable.

HorseWang1 votes

Then you should be banned here for non constructive and personal attacks. I feel highly vindicated by that language.

Xurreal1 votes

The word Ostentatious comes to mind.

HorseWang1 votes

explain?

Xurreal1 votes

It just seemed like you wanted the spotlight.

HorseWang1 votes

Yeah no clue how, i had two people attacking me and following around all game trying to killsteal just so they could get under my skin and they did. Then when i turned around and laughed when they went too ham to steal the kills, they became racist and then somehow tried to blame me. Absolutely not sure how it seemed like i wanted the spotlight.

Xurreal1 votes

The discussion seemed to dominate chat. The discussion commanded everyone's attention unless they muted. It became about making a point and trying to decide who has the moral high-ground and who's going to get banned.

It's just... silly.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

is most likely c.....u....nt.

is most likely f.....a..g.

Both of which are derogatory terms and fall under Riot's Zero Tolerance. It looks like you repeated fg once, but the other time it appears not.

Edit: Is it just me or are the first two lines with the # a different color?

HorseWang1 votes

The guy called me a f.a.g

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

Yes, and your decided it would be a great idea to repeat the words despite even saying it was a "trigger" word.

Also doesn't excuse the fact you called them a c*nt.

AeroWaffle2 votes

Edit: Is it just me or are the first two lines with the # a different color?

Riot Boards uses a markup language for the font styling. Placing one or several '#' signs at the start of the line changes the line style.

#One '#' sign

Two

Three or more

If you want to have a symbol at the start not use the special effect you need to use a '' to cancel the effect.

# <- Example of me using '\#'

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

Huh... Neat.

Just realized they weren't there either.

Aneirin1 votes

Burn the witch!

P4ppino1 votes

Even without the hate speech, this chatlog is completely useless in consideration of the actual game. You say literally nothing useful to help your team to victory. Also I noticed that you know how the system works apparently, so you should've known that writing stuff like that means a 14 day/permanent ban.

Definitely deserved.

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