Anyone see a 14 DAY worthy ban out of this chat?

Daynak·Mar 30, 2018·7 votes·906 views

Game 1 Daynak: bans my champ Daynak: then asks eveyone to report me Daynak: when i had it highlighted Daynak: his own doing Daynak: please report him Daynak: thanks Daynak: yea im the troll for having my champ banned by someone who litterally said im banning your champ Daynak: gotcha. Daynak: you get muted too Daynak: jinx is mad she verbally abused zyra then zyra left the game Daynak: her and singed are good at trolling 10/10 Daynak: anyways gg Daynak: we can ff soon Daynak: k Daynak: ill keep farming Daynak: nevermind ori is forcing us to stay in it Daynak: ill never understand this community and its toxicity Daynak: no i got my champ banned Daynak: im gonna mute you as well Daynak: says the guy who banned my champ oin purpose while i had it highlighted Daynak: yea im the problem here Daynak: you 3 need to grow up fr. Daynak: anywho gg Daynak: its been real and its been fun but it hasnt been real fun Daynak: wp

29 Comments

HalcyonDwellerMar 30, 20188 votes

This wouldn't cause you to skip to a 14-day ban from having had no prior punishments, but the system is cumulative. If you have had chat restrictions before then it's not a long stretch for the system to find this general negativity to be a problem enough to apply some punishment, and because you already used your chat restrictions, it goes on to the next level of punishment.

Be careful after this, you'll be on super thin ice and even mild negativity like what you displayed in this chat could lead to another punishment (which after a 14-day ban is a permanent ban).

GrabherbythekityApr 2, 20181 votes

Mild negativity? Calling out bullies and griefers should be praised not punished. I got a 14 day for calling a griefer a troll. Apparently it's naming. but wouldn't that be naming if you called a griefer a griefer? They need to really clarify what is punishable, it is way too vague, and you can get group reported, even if they were the trolls, and you played to win... Griefers are more protected than the courageous people calling them out, especially when they come in groups.

HalcyonDwellerApr 2, 20181 votes

Are you aware of how human behavior works?

Someone who griefs is doing it because they want a reaction. If you reward them with that reaction then you make the situation worse by showing them that their attempts worked. They will think, "Huh, if I do this then they do what I want, I should do it more!"

And alternatively, if someone is not actually trolling but they seem like they are to you, then calling them out or threatening with reports will just piss them off and make them tilt really hard, because nobody likes being falsely accused.

It's a lose-lose situation, so you should never flame someone for trolling. It won't matter if you're right or wrong that they are trolling, because you will make the situation worse either way.

GrabherbythekityApr 2, 20181 votes

Example I'm going through now:

Joins draft que* player joins with duo and types " I play jungle or I feed"

by your logic, what is the reaction they are looking for? Because if our jungle, which im support fill, doesn't want to trade him, then we all get to waste an hour of our time because of him.

Other player leaves que.
Next que I get the same duo and the " I play jungle or I feed" *doesn't get jungle, our jungle wont trade.

Am I making the problem worse by telling them, "you cant join draft and say jungle or feed." Am I making the problem worse by informing the other team of the situation so they can monitor it and possibly help report the Actual griefing that is occurring?

How is this toxic? How is this harassment? How is this negative attitude on my part? The game punishes people who stand up to griefers, and it's really sad that they make safe zones for them by punishing people calling out a bully, which is essential what a troll is doing via internet.

They're not going after the actual griefers which is my biggest concern, they are punishing way too many people who are trying to help the situation, but get banned for being passionate and competitive and promoting good play. They need to punish griefers, not mild chatters.

HalcyonDwellerApr 2, 20181 votes

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Example I'm going through now:

Joins draft que* player joins with duo and types " I play jungle or I feed"

by your logic, what is the reaction they are looking for? Because if our jungle, which im support fill, doesn't want to trade him, then we all get to waste an hour of our time because of him.

Other player leaves que.

Next que I get the same duo and the " I play jungle or I feed" *doesn't get jungle, our jungle wont trade.

Am I making the problem worse by telling them, "you cant join draft and say jungle or feed." Am I making the problem worse by informing the other team of the situation so they can monitor it and possibly help report the Actual griefing that is occurring?

How is this toxic? How is this harassment? How is this negative attitude on my part? The game punishes people who stand up to griefers, and it's really sad that they make safe zones for them by punishing people calling out a bully, which is essential what a troll is doing via internet.

They're not going after the actual griefers which is my biggest concern, they are punishing way too many people who are trying to help the situation, but get banned for being passionate and competitive and promoting good play. They need to punish griefers, not mild chatters.

Doing it just once might not have been an issue, but I just looked at your actual post with the chat logs. From the chat log you just kept going on and on about it incessantly. At that point you're just calling more attention to it which isn't even necessary.

You can just report the player yourself after the game. It only takes your one report to flag the game for review, other peoples reports don't stack with yours, because the system only takes into account whether there are or aren't reports when deciding whether or not to review the match for behavior, after it decides to review the match it ignores the reports and focuses on what happens in game.

GrabherbythekityApr 2, 20181 votes

Yea I know it looks that way with just one story on there doesn't it. You don't get to see him lying about location and time. So i was a bit persistant, but was that punishable? Where did I cross the line? The worst thing I did was say he was trolling... is that punishable? The 4 of them sat in base dancing for the last 5 minutes until they pushed to win, but I get a ban calling a griefer a troll... I just don't see the consistency with punishments, nor do I see it clarified in the rules. I mean honestly what is "Naming?"

HalcyonDwellerApr 2, 20181 votes

I feel for you, it sucks to get trolled so bad that you feel the need to react. But it's still not an acceptable response, according to Riot.
Naming is basically calling attention to someone for something. Whether they do what you said or not, it can bring negative attention on them. Which is a problem because attention on a troll only adds fuel to the fire, and negative on an innocent person makes them miserable. So it won't matter if they are innocent or guilty because either way calling them on it can only make things worse.
Unfortunately Riot does consider it punishable, because whether you intend it to or not it can create a negative experience in the game for the bystanders on your team. Filling chat with talk calling their attention to something that is irritating will only serve to make them more irritated. There's no need to do so, so it's not worth doing anyways.

GrabherbythekityApr 2, 20181 votes

I agree with all of that, but how will anyone ever know what is a good or bad play decision, if we are forced to say Please do this? or I would appreciate it if you didn't do that? I can't just tell someone anymore that, "HEY STOP THATS A BAD IDEA" because i'd be toxic cancer and harassing.... it's out of control

I mean how much respect are we being demanded to give griefers who don't earn or deserve it? They're punishing people for not saying please and thank you to those who are ruining hours of others lives. IMO it is not even close to comparable to relate actions vs mild words. Yea I 100% think slurs and threats need punishment, but when did they start banning people who don't use slurs, don't threaten people, don't harass people? They're banning passionate competitors in a competitive video game?

HalcyonDwellerApr 2, 20181 votes

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I agree with all of that, but how will anyone ever know what is a good or bad play decision, if we are forced to say Please do this? or I would appreciate it if you didn't do that? I can't just tell someone anymore that, "HEY STOP THATS A BAD IDEA" because i'd be toxic cancer and harassing.... it's out of control

I mean how much respect are we being demanded to give griefers who don't earn or deserve it? They're punishing people for not saying please and thank you to those who are ruining hours of others lives. IMO it is not even close to comparable to relate actions vs mild words. Yea I 100% think slurs and threats need punishment, but when did they start banning people who don't use slurs, don't threaten people, don't harass people? They're banning passionate competitors in a competitive video game?

I'm with you on that. It's a bit complicated, but you're not necessarily being expected to show respect to griefers. And to be fair you did a bit more than just say please and thank you in your chat logs.

Something that helps a lot is to make use of verb tense to control the mode of conversation. Let me explain:

Past, present and future tense have different uses and connotations in conversation. Depending on which one is used, people will react differently to what you say. Additionally people may use the tenses without realizing or intending, and lead you to react poorly just the same.

Past tense is often about attributing blame or praise, it's about figuring out what happened and attributing it to somebody's actions. Thus if you talk about something that went wrong, and you talk about it in the past tense, people are more likely to overreact because they think you're blaming them. Examples, "can you stop feeding, why didn't you do X, what was that all about, etc." By calling attention to an event in the past, you will usually inevitably cause people to think you are attributing either credit or blame to them. You want teammates to listen, which means you want them to respect you, so it's best to only use past tense to attribute credit after things go well.

Present tense is often used to talk about values, it's best used for aligning values, but it can also be used to separate people. Examples: "That's stupid, That's awesome, Why are you doing that?! I'm doing this right now because it's important to me. etc." This too won't really help you to make people listen, unless you use it to back people up and support them if they start getting blamed for things.

Future tense is where the magic happens. Talking about something in the future leaves fewer opportunities for blaming and flaming. And it makes it a lot harder for people to misinterpret your words as some kind of attack. Examples, "Lets ward here (pings) next time to prevent another gank from being successful," or "play safe when you get back to lane so that they can't force a fight with you," etc. By focusing people on the future, you help them to tilt less, and you can get them focused on what they need to do in order to succeed, rather than letting them get distracted arguing about who is at fault for something that can't be changed anyways.

DolynaMar 31, 20185 votes

I have to say, this doesn't seem quite bad enough to me to warrant a punishment.

MagicFlyingLlamaMar 30, 20183 votes

Not really, but an account tends to be on thin ice after multiple restrictions.

Just dont fight the stupid, you cant beat them at their own game. They cant even tell when they have lost, which is a huge advantage.

Lambs2LionsMar 31, 20183 votes

literally you got reported and the game picked up on banned, report, troll and ff and issue a penalty. Same thing happened to me. Shit game and care bear GMs

Umbral RegentMar 31, 20185 votes

literally you got reported and the game picked up on banned, report, troll and ff and issue a penalty.

This implies that the IFS works entirely off of keywords and phrases.

It doesn't.

Hellmaximus1Mar 31, 20181 votes

It does.

It works off a few thing, keywords and phrases also happen to be one of them.

Before they made is so saying any type of Zero-Tolerance words 3 times got you punished, but when people started baiting people into saying a Zero-Tolerance word 3 times or they troll the game riot tried to fix this by reducing the Zero-Tolerance word to 1 instead of 3 and also marking phrases that these people were using.

The IFS isn't anything revolutionary despite what Riot Tantrum overwhelming ego likes to profuse.

Hellmaximus1Mar 31, 20181 votes

My guess is the IFS also triggers on Excess Communications, so far I've narrowed it to more than 15 chat per game and also someone has to report that game for it to mark the game as "negative", saying keywords like 'banned, report, troll, ff' also further this game being mark "toxic" which if you have/had more than 1-2 punishment in the past 3-6 months/>200 games it gives you a punishment.

This is how the system works roughly, also any number of report marks a game for IFS rather it be 1 or 9, also if an enemy team report you it marks the game and IFS will look through logs regardless if you used allchat or not.

Plenty of people have been punished in 5 man premades because someone on the opposing team reported them and something they said jokingly to there friend was picked up by IFS.

Riot should probably make any report made by an opposing team only reflect on allchat, but that would require more coding on a already bad system. When asked to do this, a rioter replied that it didn't matter rather or not the enemy team saw it.

I guess if a tree does fall in the woods a bunch of hippies are going to blame a lumber mill for falling the tree.

YerroFeverMar 30, 20182 votes

What Halcyon said. If you have a history of chat restrictions, they may be escalating your punishment just to get your attention so that you really pay attention and stop.

LordofStoneMar 30, 20182 votes

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Game 1 Daynak: bans my champ Daynak: then asks eveyone to report me Daynak: when i had it highlighted Daynak: his own doing Daynak: please report him Daynak: thanks Daynak: yea im the troll for having my champ banned by someone who litterally said im banning your champ Daynak: gotcha. Daynak: you get muted too Daynak: jinx is mad she verbally abused zyra then zyra left the game Daynak: her and singed are good at trolling 10/10 Daynak: anyways gg Daynak: we can ff soon Daynak: k Daynak: ill keep farming Daynak: nevermind ori is forcing us to stay in it Daynak: ill never understand this community and its toxicity Daynak: no i got my champ banned Daynak: im gonna mute you as well Daynak: says the guy who banned my champ oin purpose while i had it highlighted Daynak: yea im the problem here Daynak: you 3 need to grow up fr. Daynak: anywho gg Daynak: its been real and its been fun but it hasnt been real fun Daynak: wp

No their system is really broke this season, this again proves it.

MMWWMWMWMMWWMWMMMar 31, 20181 votes

Yea the system has stepped up punishments it seems in the month of march. I reported someone for inting like I always do but they actually got a 14 day ban for it unlike previous years where it seemed they didn't ban for bad scores. this really worries me because you can tell they are banning 2 weeks for almost any chat and now even just having a bad game. so if your lane goes terrible as it sometimes does and your team starts flaming you, you cant even defend yourself with non-toxic chat now and if the enemy are good enough to tower dive your team isn't going to help you and then you will get banned for inting. its another example of when a company listens to the crying kids about people having bad games in ranked matches and saying GG EZ is toxic so now this happens and you can lose your account for just playing the game and not even talking. If I make a new account and play at bronze elo can I just report everyone I smash for inting and get them banned? then report them even more if they even say anything at all in chat? I think I might just play Classic WoW and fortnite this games management has really gone to shit catering for their 10 year old crying player base.

RanmaruMar 31, 20182 votes

You were non stop talking about others people toxicity and you clearly wont focusing on the game while arguing on chat youve also had other restrictions before you should of not been toxic

Telephone BoothMar 30, 20181 votes

Just curious... are you a chip Chipperson fan?

DaynakMar 31, 20181 votes

I get what you are all saying. It is just frustrating that because 3 people are verbally abusing me I get the short end of the stick when I was simply defending myself. I wish they showed the other players chat as well. Any ways thanks for all the responses. I guess muteall needs to be my new thing.

YerroFeverMar 31, 20182 votes

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I get what you are all saying. It is just frustrating that because 3 people are verbally abusing me I get the short end of the stick when I was simply defending myself. I wish they showed the other players chat as well. Any ways thanks for all the responses. I guess muteall needs to be my new thing.

I get that, however, remember, bullies win by knowing they got under your skin. They treat you horribly because they want you to be upset.

When you mute someone, they don't know if you're just done with dealing with some unimportant faceless jerk or if you've actually been hurt by what they said... so just mute them. Even if you do get upset, don't let them know. Don't give them the satisfaction by confirming they got under your skin and upset you by responding to them.

Report them at the end of the game and just be done with them. Let Riot handle it and focus on playing the game and enjoying the game.

Imperial PandaaMar 31, 20181 votes

I actually would like to ask, did you say anything in pre or post game chat? Includes repeating anything they may have said.

AJStarhikerMar 31, 20181 votes

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I actually would like to ask, did you say anything in pre or post game chat? Includes repeating anything they may have said.

I've also seen cases where the ban was for gameplay related issues, such as intentionally feeding (instant 2-week), but for some reason include the chat logs instead of specifying gameplay.

EL HAMSTEROMar 31, 20181 votes

you said 'banned, report, troll, ff'

GrReaper96Mar 31, 20181 votes

Perhaps

RISE Shlack123Mar 31, 20181 votes

It's been common knowledge for a while now that you do NOT call for reports in game. It sets a negative/hostile tone to the game, and the rest of your chatting will only serve to support the negative tone you created.

Nerf IrelìaMar 31, 20181 votes

Guess what bro , riot is so fucking butt hurt and easily offended , you get banned for saying anything conisdered by them ofensive , like we are fiucking 5 years old. Fuck this company man , feel bad for you and your acc .

YerroFeverApr 2, 20181 votes

Open up a player support ticket.

You may have pre-game or post-game chat that is the problem.

If there is no pre-game or post-game, I don't necessarily see anything 2 week ban outright worthy for your in game chat but if you've had a history of chat restrictions, it may be an escalation for repeated minor toxicity. You start the game by being negative and arguing with your teammates. Riot is making a push to tell people to just stop arguing in team chat because it's actually not beneficial in any way shape or form and just address it quickly, mute, report, and move on.

Rather than addressing it quickly here you go on for quite a bit... basically the whole chat log...