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Is this a joke Riot

420 BIG LOUD 420··1 votes·566 views

So basically I get into a Ranked flex game with a cancer jungle who runs it down every lane (but mostly my lane) feeding and going 0/19/0 and being just overall toxic. I've seen friends of mine get perm banned for going 1/7 and this guy somehow goes 0/19/0 with 5/6 people who said they would report him (atleast 3 did) and he gets zero repercussion (as seen in the second picture he is still feeding/playing games). Perhaps the funnier part of all this is how I get a 25 game chat restriction on one report for calling him out about his inting claiming (this part is funny) I was being "unsportsmanlike"... This is why I haven't given riot any money in the past six months as they continue to disregard their customers and have the audacity to mute me but not ban a guy who obviously intentionally fed in a ranked game and after the game referred to me as a "stupid" ehm "n-word" after the game. I encourage everyone to not spend money on riot this holiday season until they fix the vast problems with their ban/mute systems and they stop banning/muting people for little to nothing but letting toxic players like this continue to feed and spread overall toxicity to the game, until riot does that you can kiss me and all of my friends goodbye as customers to this ridiculously run game. https://gyazo.com/90f44dcc5c8a377f63d82766e06ce3ea https://gyazo.com/fb81c2a44a6cb43e4a8743db44d78f84

31 Comments

Jo0o7 votes

Say it with me, people:

It's infinitely simpler to identify abusers of the chat system and punish them than to detect and punish trolls. That doesn't mean trolls don't get punished, it just means that it'll sometimes take a bit extra to get them.

Regardless, if you flamed a troll, you rewarded him for his actions. Reactions like flaming are WHY they do that sort of thing. Haven't you ever heard that you aren't supposed to feed trolls?

420 BIG LOUD 4201 votes

so it's more simple to mute someone for "unsportsmanlike conduct" under very disputed circumstances than it is to look at a ranked game where a player when 0/19/0, simply stating that "hey he probably didn't feed". Lol any amount of any effort into looking at 6 reports about this guy in a single game would lead to the conclusion he fed.

Jo0o5 votes

Calm down and think about it for a sec.

An automated system can easily look at your chat contributions and determine that you harassed somebody. There's no such thing as "justifiable harassment", so easy chat restriction. You had already been penalized for it at least once if you're on a 25-game restriction instead of 10. Simple.

Somebody gets reported for intentional feeding? Now, the system needs to evaluate intent. That's tricky. Was the accused individual lagging? Were they pitted against folks of radically higher skill level? Did they simply have a bad game? There are all sorts of factors that go into determining malicious intent, and Riot is always going to err on the side of caution to avoid penalizing players for simply being bad. YOUR example may be clear-cut, but there's probably a backlog of accused inters to be evaluated individually. Riot doesn't ban off of KDA alone.

At the end of the day, each person is responsible for their own actions. This Jarvan will get whats coming to him eventually. It's sad that you felt the need to lower yourself to his level, or else all that would have happened to you is that you'd have lost a match.

420 BIG LOUD 4201 votes

So again, you can determine intent in a game where I dare say everyone (including the other team btw) knew he was inting said they were going to report him and everyone was "harassing him" for making the game toxic but his report outweighs six people and he gets out with no punishment as of this day, but my intentions of harassment were clear? I covered this all in the actual post if you would have actually read it, Riot going after minor chat violations in which I didn't even curse versus a guy who intentionally fed and like I said, used racial slurs after the game. Calm down It's clear your going to take Riots side, but think logically for a second, do you really think that 0/19/0 with 35 cs in a 30-minute game is not deserving of any punishment/isn't intentionally feeding? If he had enough connection to keep spam typing ingame talking about how he would feed and funny part is how he even bragged how Riot would do nothing about his feeding, I guess he was right..

Jo0o5 votes

I'm not taking sides, I'm explaining to you what happened.

Get mad at me if you want, but next infraction is a 14-day ban. You'd be wise to figure out how to behave within the system before that happens.

420 BIG LOUD 4201 votes

Look dude get mad all you want it doesn't change the fact that you have a flawed argument. I'll copy and paste this and hopefully, you'll reflect on this. You claim intent isn't clear, but think logically for a second, do you really think that 0/19/0 with 35 cs in a 30-minute game is not deserving of any punishment/isn't intentionally feeding? Cause god forbid you call out a 0/19/0 35 cs D- jungle for feeding, that's what is important.. Lmao

Jo0o4 votes

What part of "It's hard to gauge intent, and they go off of more than just KDA" are you not understanding? Why is it so hard to accept that there may be a backlog to evaluate? It doesn't matter that your guy was clearly trolling, Riot still needs to do their due diligence to determine that.

I already acknowledged that your guy was certainly intentionally feeding. That doesn't excuse your behavior at all. Stop clamoring for validation.

420 BIG LOUD 4201 votes

KDA isn't just the issue, he almost had as much CS as jungle as there were minutes in the game, six people reported him lmao. I'll copy and paste again, and hopefully this time it will seep in. Look dude get mad all you want it doesn't change the fact that you have a flawed argument. I don't care as much about being muted as much as I care about the player getting the just ban he deserves. You claim intent isn't clear, but think logically for a second, do you really think that 0/19/0 with 35 cs in a 30-minute game is not deserving of any punishment/isn't intentionally feeding? (add-on) I've played a lot of league games over the past 4 years, and I will tell you that 0/19/0 assists is so intentional it's laughable, any evaluation of the game will realize that he ran it down my lane (14/1 Darius) to feed the game away. Cause god forbid you call out a 0/19/0 35 cs D- jungle for feeding, that's what is important.. Lmao

Jo0o3 votes

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? Why are you so damn hung up on this guy?

We've all dealt with feeders before. You have not had a unique experience. You are not special.

Stop harping over this guy ruining your game. For all your righteous fury, if that troll read this thread, he'd be giggling with glee at the reaction he got out of you.

DO NOT FEED TROLLS. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. BY FEEDING TROLLS, YOU ARE ACTIVELY REWARDING THEM FOR THEIR BEHAVIOR AND ARE ENCOURAGING THEM TO CONTINUE TO ACT IN THAT FASHION.

420 BIG LOUD 4201 votes

If feeding the trolls is getting them perm banned then I would have done my job, nobody is upset probably except you for wasting your time trying to defend the wrong side of the argument, and being exposed for it. I'll copy and paste this in case you missed it. Nobody is wasting anymore time copying and pasting than you are submitting this comment, I'm doing research/studying for my finals as we speak. That's much like me asking why you onto these topics riding Riot like a rodeo and ignoring clear-cut facts, if anyone is helping the trolls it's cancer that exists in these riot members who'd rather instead of dealing with issues flat out ignore them. No wonder most league players I've talked to hate Riot.

Chermorg4 votes

Hey there, I just wanted to let you know I've removed the screenshot of the match history from your post as it identifies other players by name. Discussing a behavior is perfectly acceptable, as is using screenshots of data (such as KDA, teammates, gold, game length, etc) but you must remove players names from it so as to avoid threads turning into a "witch hunt". Please feel free to readd the screenshot if you edit the names out.

If you have any questions about this please do not hesitate to contact us in the Boards Moderation Discord server.

Taeseuk2 votes

Everybody is on different punishment ladders the report for this game may not have been enough to push him into a punishment that being said he may have chat restrictions and you not know it.

As for you being punished, you are responsible for your own actions whatever they be {without the chat logs I have to assume they were toxic} you're not a vigilante you have not right to take matters into your own hands.

420 BIG LOUD 4201 votes

so going 0/19/0 isn't worthy of any punishment in a ranked game and referring to me as an n-word after the game again isn't worthy of punishment, but I am worthy of a mute in a game where I didn't even curse (probably why I got banned under the joke of "unsportsmanlike conduct").. I am not trying to be a vigilante as much as I am just trying to point out the obvious ridiculousness of this player behavior system

Chermorg3 votes

The system does not care who starts behavior, only that it occurred. If you act unsportsmanlike in chat (which it sure looks like you probably did from the 3 lines of the chat you posted in the screenshot), then you will be punished for it. Your punishment is completely separate from the other person's - if they were using racial slurs, they will be punished for it if reported.

Having a bad game is not punishable. Riot uses data to determine if someone was intentionally feeding or not and that data extends well past KDA numbers. Even so, you may not be notified if they are punished - and it still doesn't justify your behavior.

420 BIG LOUD 4201 votes

again, I don't care as much about being muted as much as I care about the player getting the just ban he deserves. What statistic do you need to see other than https://gyazo.com/768ec34c555e1d15908cf7b399d767b1 this? This isn't having a bad game its clear as day intentionally feeding, 35 cs in a 30 minute game where you go 0/19 with zero assists. And thanks for deleting my poll, when you cant take the heat I guess just try and stop the guy from talking right?

Chermorg4 votes

Just as Riot does not discuss your punishment or personal account details with others, they do not discuss any details on warnings or punishments issued to other players with you. Even if a player violates the rules they still deserve the same privacy as everyone else.

The poll was not removed intentionally, it was a side effect of having to edit the post to remove the link of the image from the header. Links that are put in the "link" field (and not in the text as you did in this comment or your other link in the OP) have a side effect of also removing the thumbnail image as well as a poll if removed. If you'd like to remove this thread and make a new one with the poll you are more than welcome to - and again I'm sorry that I couldn't leave the poll while removing the image.

420 BIG LOUD 4201 votes

Just a coincidence I'm sure deleting the link just deleted the poll as well cause that's how it works lol. Anybody can look up my match history and figure it out by themselves, doesn't take a genius to figure that out. But that's off topic, all I want is to see the clearcut feeding be treated as such and hopefully a perm ban come to this guys account so others don't have to deal with the same thing. Cause god forbid you call out a 0/19/0 35 cs D- jungle for feeding, that's what is important.. Lmao

Duchess Katarina2 votes

But what does calling him out accomplish here? You calling him out is not going to make him stop. Nothing you say to him is going to make him stop. He's trolling, and is trying to bait you in and get you mad, and he got you. Now you're wasting hours of your time trying to get him in trouble, and he's long forgotten about you.

If you reported him, then that's all you can do. Let the system worry about him now, move on with your life. If you really need to, you can submit a support ticket and show some clips of him running under turret intentionally. You can also add in that he called you the n-word, and other things that will prove that he is toxic/trolling. But they're going to give you an automated message saying they'll look into him (which they will), and that they cannot discuss it with you.

420 BIG LOUD 4201 votes

Nobody is wasting anymore time copying and pasting than you are submitting this comment, I'm doing research/studying for my finals as we speak. That's much like me asking why you onto these topics riding Riot like a rodeo and ignoring clear-cut facts, in anyone is helping the trolls it's cancer that exists in these riot members who'd rather instead of dealing with issues flat out ignore them. No wonder most league players I've talked to hate Riot. I'll copy and paste this so hopefully, you will reflect on it. All I want is to see the clearcut feeding be treated as such and hopefully a perm ban come to this guys account so others don't have to deal with the same thing. Cause god forbid you call out a 0/19/0 35 cs D- jungle for feeding, that's what is important.. Lmao

Duchess Katarina2 votes

I am AGREEING with you. Unfortunately, I am not Riot, I do not have the power to ban anyone, nor does anyone on this board. I am offering you a way to get him punished, if you bothered to read my post. Submit a support ticket with all your proof that this guy is intentionally ruining the game for others so they can MANUALLY review it.

420 BIG LOUD 4201 votes

hmm actual help? What does this support ticket mean..? I have all the proof one would need, if you need the video logs or whatever I can supply them, how does one go about submitting this so they can manually review it?

Duchess Katarina1 votes

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

It means someone at Riot will manually look at the game, and the chat logs from this player. So it will give you a space to write out what you need to say, and provide links to the videos/screenshot if need be. Mention the fact that he called you the n-word, since that is a 0 tolerance policy word for Riot. And say it ruined the experience for you. Stuff along those lines, as long as you're polite, should make a strong enough case.

They won't be able to share what happens to the J4, but at least you'll know you did everything you could. (And he'll probably be punished, they just can't tell you that).

420 BIG LOUD 4201 votes

and as far the clause of taking things into your own hands, Riot cant be contacted via phone and emails are ignored, so yeah, I think I do have the right to take it into my own hands when it's this obvious and this ridiculous.

Taeseuk3 votes

so going 0/19/0 isn't worthy of any punishment in a ranked game

If they we're purposefully trolling/inting absolutely it is, that being said however it is a lot harder to prove he wasn't just having a bad game than it is to prove x lines of chat are toxic there for toxicity is dealt with much quicker. It will take multiple games of this behavior to have have somebody punished for this kind d of thing.

n-word after the game again isn't worthy of punishment,

Again absolutely it is, so you report him and move on, making sure you leave a comment stating it was after the game so it can be looked into.

but I am worthy of a mute in a game where I didn't even curse (probably why I got banned under the joke of "unsportsmanlike conduct")

I don't know fully what you said as you haven't posted your chat logs but I will point out that cursing is not the only thing that is toxic and will get you punished in fact curse away as long as you don't spam it and direct it at anybody.

and as far the clause of taking things into your own hands, Riot cant be contacted via phone and emails are ignored, so yeah, I think I do have the right to take it into my own hands when it's this obvious and this ridiculous.

Nope. Under no circumstances do you have a right to flame/insult/harass/otherwise negatively impact a team mate based on your own opinions/views of the situation. If you believe he's doing something he shouldn't you report it, take screencaps and send it into support if you really have to {I personally do not advice this at all they have enough to deal with} what you don't do is deal with it yourself in a manner that is against the rules as described above.

420 BIG LOUD 4201 votes

Just going to copy and past at this point because it's like I'm talking to a brick wall.

I don't care as much about being muted as much as I care about the player getting the just ban he deserves. What statistic do you need to see other than https://gyazo.com/768ec34c555e1d15908cf7b399d767b1 this? All I want is to see the clearcut feeding be treated as such and hopefully a perm ban come to this guys account so others don't have to deal with the same thing. Cause god forbid you call out a 0/19/0 35 cs D- jungle for feeding, that's what is important.. Lmao

Taeseuk3 votes

As you have been told at least twice it takes more thank just kda and cs to prove inting, I've had games with ridiculous deaths and low cs where I was just having a bad game. It takes time and multiple games before a persons punished for trolling/inting, what you see as a clear cut case because it plagued your game riot does not. If they were to go around banning people low kda and cs a lot of genuine players would get banned so they have to be more careful.

And I already addressed all of this previously so since it's a copy and paste message I will forego repeating myself.

420 BIG LOUD 4201 votes

You've gone games where you go 0/19/0 with as much CS as minutes played..? Wut. There is a difference between feeding and having a bad game and this which is ridiculously obvious feeding, it's clear yall will take the side of Riot but let's think logically for a second. 0/19/0 dying to my laner 10 times before 15 minutes and getting reported by our entire team and our opponents isn't obvious feeding than the problem is you not wanting to accept facts.

Mobile Phone2 votes

So you think you shouldnt be punished because someone else was "probably" inting and also breaking the rules hmm [sg-lux-2]

You're getting punished for what YOU did quit trying to blame and focus on the other guy lol. Also mind posting your full chatlogs instead of just the first 3 lines? :]

I honestly dont see why youre also trying to bring up kda stuff with you havent had a positive k/d this entire week?

420 BIG LOUD 4201 votes

https://gyazo.com/8ec174a812022d7ca2b61d7c068701b0 How Riot reacts to any criticism

EvilDustMan1 votes

Your friends probably won't stop playing.

420 BIG LOUD 4201 votes

meh even if they don't, they seemed avid about not paying for anything. Best thing to do is to try to hit Riot where it hurts, their wallets.

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