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Julie W·12/5/2015, 5:35:25 AM·6 votes·2,745 views

I've played League for about a year and 4 months. During this time, I've gotten seven(7) separate account permabanned. All for talking mad mess in games, something I love doing in any competitive sport or game I played.

I'm also 25 and have played games for hundreds upon hundreds of hours. Basically since I could walk. During my thousands of hours on other games, I haven't EVER been banned or punished in any way, despite having the same behavior on various platforms/games.

Wat do? Why does this game's punishment system blow?

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ModUlanopo12/5/2015, 1:36:46 PM12 votes

http://imgur.com/Ai7PwJC

So I slept on what you said. Most of the time, when someone comes to the behavior forum and they say that they have multiple permabans, there isn't much I can do for them. There will always be a certain percentage of people who just shouldn't play League. Riot understands this. Over the years, I have watched them refine their systems for detecting and removing these people.

I am, at least for the time being, going to try and assume that you are not one of those people. I'm going to start with the idea that you're just really, really passionate about League. 10+ accounts speaks to that.

In case you're wondering why I'm speaking to you this way, you should know that one of my hobbies is helping people keep their account. I have been doing it for so long that Riot made me part of a volunteer group that does this sort of thing. You can look up the Arbiters in the sticky at the top of the board.

http://imgur.com/gxMDUCj

I wrote this - Two Tribes: Why you don't understand your ban - almost four years ago now. I think it's especially relevant.

The spectrum of League players can be divided into two rough groups. In the first group, skill and performance trump attitude. The farther one goes in this direction, the less and less they care about anything but winning. This is the competitive camp. The problem with this group is that it cannibalizes itself, as someone always has to be the loser.

The other group is more social and tends to prioritize the experience over the outcome. This doesn't mean that they're happy to lose. It means that being treated badly makes them ~~less happy~~ more unhappy than losing. Note that this definition is proportional. You can have very competitive social players, it's what they care about more that defines them.

From the Reform Card you linked, I'm guessing that you're a competitive-type player who uses passive-aggressive sarcasm when they're frustrated. I'm also guessing that you are doubly frustrated at not understanding why the people you hate - the leavers, feeders and so on - don't seem to get punished, while you get banned over and over.

You have to understand that Riot bans the bejeesus out of leavers and feeders. Players consistently say that these are the things that they hate most about the game and Riot feels exactly the same way. I have long since lost count of the number of people who come to the forums to argue that their ban shouldn't count because they were having a temporary computer or internet problem or that it was okay because the match was obviously lost. These complaints have always been more common than behavior bans.

Now, just because one thing is awful doesn't mean that we can't care about something that is slightly less awful. You have to understand that the League community cares about verbal toxicity too. The Tribunal stats made this perfectly clear, especially when it comes to things like racism and homophobia. The average player has zero tolerance for that sort of nonsense.

http://imgur.com/Dspaz8s

What you have to understand - and if you take nothing else from what I'm saying, please take this - is that this isn't a question of strength. League is something we do for fun. It's just like the person who smokes in the non-smoking section of a restaurant or who talks through a movie. I can absolutely tolerate that sort of thing - I can tolerate pretty much anything. The point is that I shouldn't have to.

I wish you well.

ModUlanopo12/5/2015, 6:11:27 AM10 votes

http://imgur.com/kwRIfOi

LankPants12/5/2015, 6:06:48 AM7 votes

If you've managed to get 7 accounts banned you're doing something wrong.

I can say, after 4 years of playing I've never received more than a chat ban for behaviour, I had a couple of timed bans when I first started playing because I had a shitty computer that crashed but never for anything I could really control.

To be Permabanned seven times you'd have to absolutely flame the living hell out of your teams every singe game or use banned 3rd party programs on every new account.

Either way it's not system, you have to be doing something to get picked up by it.

EvilDustMan12/5/2015, 8:26:32 AM7 votes

I'm part of the 95% who have never been punished.

You are the .0001% who have been permabanned seven times because you can't stop being sarcastic, it seems. And hyperbolic. I didn't say you were a monster, I said no one wants you here, ruining their fun. If this game is cancer, fine, go away. Shoo. Leave. No one wants you here.

PS, if you read up on that, Dunkey made the Malphite story up.

BeatzBoyFTW12/5/2015, 7:01:26 AM6 votes

You're 25, played Lol for a year and 4 months, & have 7 accounts banned?

Surprise! I'm 20 & I'm still using this main account for about 3 years now :)

Now please man up like an adult & admit to changing your bad behavior.

SmokedAlmonds12/5/2015, 6:36:52 AM5 votes

I'm not really sure what to tell you. Your behavior is obviously not acceptable in league of legends. No matter what or how many other places that might have been acceptable.

The system isn't shitty it just has a higher standard of behavior that you aren't meeting. The multiple permanent bans are telling you that you have chosen the wrong game to play.

EvilDustMan12/5/2015, 8:07:24 AM4 votes

Alright then. League is the first game to actually to a hard stance against people being aggressive and insulting and ruining other people's fun. Calling it other people being thin-skinned is just a way of lying to yourself. You are too egotistical to see that it is your fault. The comic is pretty simple and not at all generalized.

We don't want you here.

You are obviously incapable of learning from your past mistakes. You ARE interacting with other people. And you show yourself hardly able to do that without resulting immediately to insults and sarcasm. You are the one with social skills problem. You are the one here too immature to understand because civility.

Go away.

Shoo.

Leave.

Korillo12/5/2015, 11:00:12 PM3 votes

Best of luck with account #8. 7 permabans in 16 months though that is pretty impressive. Maybe you should just not play league of legends ^.^

EvilDustMan12/6/2015, 6:20:52 PM2 votes

There isn't much left TO say. The evidence has been provided to you. You've been spoon fed everything you've ask for. You wanted to know what was wrong with the logs, but when asked about finding more logs, you change the subject.

When given evidence of feeders getting banned, you want useless images to go with everything. You don't believe Riot at their word, but at this point, I simply assume you are going to call anything they provide a lie.

You say you hate this community. You say you hate this game. You apparently don't want to be here.

We don't want you here. And I can use 'We' because the system is based on the tribunal and actively learned based on community reports. It adapts. It does represent the overall NA community. So WE don't want you here, since you refuse to change.

What else is there? The most logical answer is for you to leave.

AJStarhiker12/8/2015, 1:52:28 AM2 votes

I admitted to the screw up. All you're doing is nitpicking to avoid the issue.

Puynsi12/8/2015, 1:59:48 AM2 votes

Even arbitrers or whatever they are got triggered, good job.

EvilDustMan12/6/2015, 7:49:12 AM1 votes

Well, Feeders do, in fact, get banned. In fact, there's no chat restrictions for them, it goes straight to 14 days and bans. Yes they have a system that does it. AFKers get banned. People who come to the forums to try and defend their narrowminded egotistical inability to stay civil in a video game get banned.

System works.

Go away.