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Completely Unreasonable 14-Day Ban

The Drunk Moose··1 votes·1,088 views

EDIT I have never received any punishment from the reporting system in my 7 years of playing this game*

I was in a game where my support brand did not buy spellthiefs, constantly went aggro while missing all spells, abandoning me to roam mid with nothing only to arrive after the fighting stopped leaving me to be tower dove. As the game progressed I was 5 man dove, had my tower taken away, and was instant killed by shaco 3 times walking to my second tier turret. I had no tank to fronntline and my duo kayle could only ult one person so I was left to die. My mid anivia flamed me, then when I went top to try and farm Brand took all of the creeps saying "I don't see your name on them" setting me behind even further, then abandoning me again to let me die to shaco. This happened multiple times, and given the situation of the game I would consider it intentional griefing to deny resources to a crippled member of your team. I muted the anivia almost instantly, but I didn't mute the brand quick enough for some dumb reason. I flamed back at him, eventually muting him. Until I see an all chat form the enemy team saying "did he really say that?" to which I said that I had muted brand and anivia and asked what they had said, to which someone replied replied "racial slurs." I have the chat log that was presented to me here, you tell me where you found the racial slur and I'll shut up and take my ban. I regrettably used the word retarded at some point, and I could understand a 3-day or week chat suspension for that, but my brand and anivia LIED TO THE OTHER TEAM ABOUT ME USING RACIAL SLURS AND NOW I AM BANNED. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.

The Drunk Moose: yeah, you missed spells and i stayed way too close, we need to chill The Drunk Moose: just poke with w The Drunk Moose: ? The Drunk Moose: can i help you? The Drunk Moose: we got ganked and 5 man dove The Drunk Moose: shit happens The Drunk Moose: very little synergy too The Drunk Moose: muted The Drunk Moose: dumbass The Drunk Moose: MAYBE IF ANNIE DIDNT COME DOWN AND TAKE OUR TOWER WE WOULD BE OK The Drunk Moose: garbage miod The Drunk Moose: no pressure The Drunk Moose: no control The Drunk Moose: only flame The Drunk Moose: complete fucking child The Drunk Moose: given a free lane, still shit The Drunk Moose: are you serious The Drunk Moose: its my farm The Drunk Moose: fuckface The Drunk Moose: on the adc name The Drunk Moose: ur support The Drunk Moose: act l;ike it The Drunk Moose: and hit a fucking spell The Drunk Moose: i had to lane with you The Drunk Moose: no duh im 1-7 The Drunk Moose: complete reach The Drunk Moose: yolu missed every spell in lane The Drunk Moose: fed multiple times The Drunk Moose: over extended The Drunk Moose: fought when i wasnt there' The Drunk Moose: wtf are you talking about The Drunk Moose: leanr your place The Drunk Moose: trash The Drunk Moose: its funny howe my team completely lety me down and im unable to do anything as im an adc and my dumbass support who cant land a The Drunk Moose: says u The Drunk Moose: who couldnt land The Drunk Moose: a single spell The Drunk Moose: all lane phase The Drunk Moose: what The Drunk Moose: becuase you arent targeted liek an adc The Drunk Moose: are you retarded The Drunk Moose: wow what The Drunk Moose: says you The Drunk Moose: griefging support blaming me for shit you diud The Drunk Moose: fuck you The Drunk Moose: unimaginably ignorant The Drunk Moose: muted The Drunk Moose: report brand ty The Drunk Moose: so bad The Drunk Moose: for what The Drunk Moose: i muited his toxic ass what did he say The Drunk Moose: WHAT The Drunk Moose: LOL

I am missing i think 10 more messages at the end and will try and get them somehow. but at the end you can see my reaction to the other team saying that I am being accused of racial slurs. I can't believe the reporting system can be manipulated so easily.

EDIT* I got the rest of my chatlog:

The Drunk Moose: reporting brand for fucking lying and griefing lmao The Drunk Moose: shit is in chat dumbass byebye The Drunk Moose: i didnt say anything these people are saying lmao The Drunk Moose: lying assholes The Drunk Moose: np The Drunk Moose: so if you know im far behind, why focus me and lose 4? The Drunk Moose: feel free to report brand for toxicity, griefing and negative attitude thx The Drunk Moose: all are true The Drunk Moose: and hes lying about racial slurs lmao The Drunk Moose: so sad The Drunk Moose: knows hes in the wrong and needs to lie to make his case better The Drunk Moose: i didnt say anything racial The Drunk Moose: ban brand form league ty

38 Comments

Hethalean5 votes

Didn't read your preamble, but looked over your chat logs. Seems completely reasonable ban to me. Especially if you're coming off of a chat restriction like you probably did.

The Drunk Moose1 votes

I wasn't coming off of chat restriction. I was given a warning back in season 3. read the preamble please. My brand and Anivia lied to the enemy team saying that I had used racial slurs.

Hethalean3 votes

It is irrelevant. Your behavior is your own. Your punishments are your own. It doesn't matter if they were being worse than you. It's not an excuse to be toxic. If they called you all sorts of things, Riot doesn't view it as 'defense' to flame them back. That's why I didn't read the preamble. It's always the same thing. "BUT BUT They were worse than me." and it's never a reason to flame them.

Even if he lied saying you used racial slurs, what does it matter? If they report you and your behavior was exemplary, guess what... you won't get punished. That's why asking for reports is punishable. It's typically used as a form of abuse, and Riot's system is designed in a way to not let it do anything.

The Drunk Moose1 votes

I am not a child, I understand that. and. If. You. Had. Read. My. Preamble. You would see that I said I would have been fine with a week long chat restriction. It is to my knowledge that Riot games allows trash talk. Almost all of what I said in that chat log is nothing more than trash talk. The ONLY thing I could have possibly been punished for was for using the word retarded. I have never once received any punishment in my 7ish years playing this game. To be banned for 14 days while my friends get chat restrictions for much much more makes me think that their lies about racial slurs landed me a worse punishment than I deserved.

Hethalean2 votes

Well, I read the first sentence and it was all just pointing blame towards someone else, so I didn't finish it. Also, as a person who isn't a child, you will obviously understand that lying to get reports won't get you reported. You're getting reported by the person asking usually, and that's all that matters. From the logs, maybe it's not worth an immediately 14 day ban (that's a contact Riot support thing... cuz usually there are 3 games in the card but there's only one here)

I mean ... clearly Riot doesn't allow trash talk, and as this is only one game, contact Riot support to find out more. Boards cannot give you what you want.

Also the below is not trash talk. It's just being a shit Also, admittedly, it's been a while since I've been in organized sports, but usually trash talk is against the other team is it not? What is the purpose of trash talking your teammates? My understand is you trash talk the other team during a match to get in their head. Doing it to your teammate during a game (and not in the locker room) sounds like just cutting off your nose to spite your face. Asking for reports is not trash talk either. Also calling it trash talk just is usually a poor excuse to be shitty to people which seems to be true in this case.

The Drunk Moose: no control The Drunk Moose: only flame The Drunk Moose: complete fucking child The Drunk Moose: ur support The Drunk Moose: act l;ike it The Drunk Moose: and hit a fucking spell The Drunk Moose: leanr your place The Drunk Moose: trash The Drunk Moose: its funny howe my team completely lety me down and im unable to do anything as im an adc and my dumbass support who cant land a The Drunk Moose: fuck you The Drunk Moose: unimaginably ignorant The Drunk Moose: report brand ty The Drunk Moose: feel free to report brand for toxicity, griefing and negative attitude thx

The Drunk Moose1 votes

When your team, or support in this case, is actively trying to make you lose by intentionally depriving a critical member of the team from receiving any resources they aren't a team member. You can argue that what I said that you have quoted there isn't helpful for sure, but there is no way you can argue that that deserves a 14-day ban as a first offence. That is idiotic. Trash talk is trash talk and your opinion of that what I said wasn't trash talk and that I was "being a shit" is irrelevant in this case. And you are making a judgement call with your last sentence which is completely ignorant given the fact that you have no idea what was being directed towards me in chat. "Other people aren't responsible for what you say" may be relevant for allotting me a punishment here, not the one that was given mind you, but it does not defend you telling me that I was using it as an "excuse to be shitty to people which seems to be true in this case." You're being rather toxic yourself namecalling me and framing me up to what you want me to be. How about you hop off that high horse?

EDIT*

Sorry for being defensive I am just very irritated with this situation. You even acknowledge that as a first time offence a 14-day ban seems to be over the top. I am fine with a 1 or two day ban at this point, forget a chat ban but I am just in disbelief.

Hethalean1 votes

Well, I didn't argue that it deserves a first offence 14 day ban. I actively said the opposite, so yeah... I mean idk what to say that comment. We seem to be in agreement. Not sure what you're trying to get across there.

My opinion of trash talk and being a shit is irrelevant. Your opinion on it is also irrelevant. It would appear that it only matters what Riot thinks which it would seem obvious that they found it not trash talk and deemed it unacceptable.

As for brand isn't your teammate anymore, he is still on your team which makes him a teammate. It's a convenient label to trash talk them because they are not on your team. It doesn't work like that. You're framing them how YOU want as well, so you're just as much 'on a high horse' as I am. We were not in that game, but all we can judge is by how you conduct yourself in the post and such. You are making as many judgement calls as I am in this situation as well (saying he was doing it intentionally to deprive you of resources which might be true, but we weren't there again. All we can do is judgement calls based on what we see here and in the logs).

As for me framing you how I want, I'm not sure what you want in this case because yeah... you are only presenting one side of the argument with the chat logs. Which is impossible for you to present their chat logs unless you have an incredible memory. Then it boils down to what you claim vs what we normally see. Do we believe what you say? Normally what we see is lies. The times people make claims and if a Rioter does come around and clear things up, the OP was clearly lieing. Then there's what did we see of you in the logs. All people can do in this situation is make judgements and frame people in our own mind. It's just how reality works.

The Drunk Moose1 votes

To your point about riot not finding it trash talk, I disagree. The ban was instantaneous, meaning that it was reviewed by a bot and not an individual. Bots and systems can be easily manipulated as we can see with this instant and harsh punishment (I left the post-game lobby and received the notification). The trash talk may have been inappropriate as it was directed at a teammate and you are unable to see what was being said towards me, hence my acceptance of irresponsibility and understanding of my deserving of some sort of reprimand. However, I believe that their system values different report types differently and being wrongly reported for racial slurs gamed the system and once it found reprehensible words such as "retarded" which fit into its log of punishable words or phrases I was wrongfully slapped with this ban.

And to your last segment, it seems you are attributing guilt-by-association to me. Regardless of my claim I apparently fit into a seemingly stereotyped group that exists on this forum due to the nature of my post. So hopefully a Rioter does see this and can explain what exactly I was reported for and give context to what I was dealing with.

Get Ogre Here1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Drunk Moose,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=U4MMU00l,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-16T10:07:29.018+0000)

I am not a child, I understand that. and. If. You. Had. Read. My. Preamble. You would see that I said I would have been fine with a week long chat restriction. It is to my knowledge that Riot games allows trash talk. Almost all of what I said in that chat log is nothing more than trash talk. The ONLY thing I could have possibly been punished for was for using the word retarded. I have never once received any punishment in my 7ish years playing this game. To be banned for 14 days while my friends get chat restrictions for much much more makes me think that their lies about racial slurs landed me a worse punishment than I deserved.

They allow trash talk to an extent, they don't allow being a general dick and flaming your own team. The little trash talk that is allowed is only allowed towards the enemy because trash talking your allies is a fucking disgusting thing to do.

The Drunk Moose1 votes

If they don't allow trash talk to teammates then someone would get banned every other game. You have no context to what I was dealing with. And after I realized words were completely lost on these people I muted them until I became aware of what they were lying to the other team about.

CooL Ice Tea1 votes

You have no context to what I was dealing with.

IT DOESNT MATTER.

Man when do these kids start to learn ?

The Drunk Moose2 votes

Cherry-picking one segment to attempt to prove an ambiguous point. Who is the child exactly? Give me a chat ban, but a ban usually meant for horrific and repeated language across multiple games does not apply to this chat log. That you cannot argue.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

For the most part I am with you on this, it warrants a chat restriction not 14-day ban.

But I also need to point something out, Riot tolerates trash talk aimed at opponents because you are competing against them and trash talk is a part of competition. But trash talking teammates is never okay. Just thought I should point that out since you said it "is nothing more than trash talk."

P3rspective1 votes

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For the most part I am with you on this, it warrants a chat restriction not 14-day ban.

But I also need to point something out, Riot tolerates trash talk aimed at opponents because you are competing against them and trash talk is a part of competition. But trash talking teammates is never okay. Just thought I should point that out since you said it "is nothing more than trash talk."

Actually, to clarify, Riot does NOT tolerate trash talk, of any kind, towards anyone. That's what gets me, and many other people. Trash talk is a large part of competition, and yet they want to erase it, as if it's not there.

Riot is no better than a toddler whining until he gets what he wants. They ban people, until they get their "perfect" community. I've been trying to warn people for quite some time now. With their current state of regulation, these absurd rules will ultimately be their own demise.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

That hasn't been my experience. Plus we've seen statements from Rioters stating that light banter such as "nice flash" to an enemy after a misplay is perfectly acceptable.

I'm not advocating for it, but I do think that Riot considers mild forms of it acceptable. Personal attacks are what are not okay. That and using trash talk against teammates.

Imperial Pandaa3 votes

Them lying to the enemy team doesn't matter. Hell multiple reports in one game don't matter either. Did you day anything else in post game lobby?

The Drunk Moose1 votes

I did, I said something towards the Anivia but I can't remember what it was. something about her not being able to blame me for her mistakes I think. no namecalling or aggressive language though. Just some annoying last remark.

Imperial Pandaa4 votes

If you haven't had a previous chat punishment, this is an odd 14 day ban. You should probably submit a support ticket or try to catch live chat (not sure if active on Fridays). There is a chance that "retarded" was flagged as zero tolerance, but that is just speculation.

The Drunk Moose1 votes

Thank you for your input. I greatly appreciate it. I was still flustered when I made this post and when I wrote most of my replies. I should have simply made my case that this being my first offence the punishment is off the mark. Thanks again.

P3rspective2 votes

I'm going to get A LOT of backlash for this, but it's to be expected when people are so far gone, they lack the self-awareness of it.

Your ban is highly unreasonable OP. So is every single ban that results from a chat log. Banning players based on chat is highly, HIGHLY unethical, and is part of the reason why their playerbase is decreasing at the rate it is.

Give a player a chat ban for abusive chat? Sure!

Give a player a ban from the game for abusive chat? No.

This methodology would not work in any other game, partly due to the fact that no other developer has this system. If a player is ever abusive in chat, they get chat restrictions, NOT game restrictions. (Also, this may partly be due to Riot's free-to-play model, but they know for certain the average player spends at least 25$ in RP)

Riot is honestly so unaware of what they have done, it's ironic. Whilst trying to create a utopia of people that are never toxic, they've done the complete opposite. They've made a dystopia, for the most part. The League community is, by far, one of the most toxic gaming communities to ever exist, and yet this is partly due to Riot's mindset.

It's quite beautiful actually, in a melancholic sense. Whilst trying to make their game and playerbase better, they are slowly, and inevitably, killing it..

TL;DR Riot is killing their game, and it's sad, because it's such a milestone in my gaming career. But alas, all good things must come to an end. Rest in Peace

Shaita1 votes

Exactly, people don't care about getting better and troll you whenever they feel. Calling them out on it makes you an asshole. It's retarded. The people who don't care about winning shouldn't be in a competitive mode. Those types of people are the ones who need punishments.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Except some people do care about getting better. The other thing is I doubt you are calling out just trolls. I imagine you are calling out the person who is 0/3/0, calling them a feeder when they are getting tower dived by 2 enemies.

Shaita1 votes

You can doubt all you want, that doesn't make it the truth. I call out the guy who's 0/3/0 if he's stacking tears or sitting in the fountain, not the guy who's having a bad game. I also call out the guy who beat the 0/3/0 in lane and starts talking trash on the enemy team. "calling them a feeder when they are getting tower dived by 2 enemies." makes you sound like you're bronze and it happens to you all the time. Just because people do it to you doesn't mean that I do it to others.

The Drunk Moose1 votes

Thank you for your input. I pretty much agree with everything you said. I don't know what is going on at Riot right now but my friend said some real nasty stuff to another player last week and he rec haved a one-day chat ban. I really don't understand how bad the system could have failed here. I get trying to clean up your community, but this is just a broken report system if this is allowed to happen.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

This methodology would not work in any other game, partly due to the fact that no other developer has this system. If a player is ever abusive in chat, they get chat restrictions, NOT game restrictions.

Incorrect. Rocket League will ban you from online matches.

This week, we’re building on our Player Report system by adding a new layer of automation to the report-ban process. This automation, simply called the 'Language Ban' system, will automatically ban players from online matches when certain words -- racial slurs, for example -- are seen in reports filed by our players.

P3rspective1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=U4MMU00l,comment-id=00040002,timestamp=2018-03-17T13:35:51.701+0000)

Incorrect. Rocket League will ban you from online matches.

This week, we’re building on our Player Report system by adding a new layer of automation to the report-ban process. This automation, simply called the 'Language Ban' system, will automatically ban players from online matches when certain words -- racial slurs, for example -- are seen in reports filed by our players.

Actually, I'm really glad you bring that up. I have well over 1000 hours logged on Rocket League, as it's one of my favorite games, along with LoL, Overwatch, and many others.

While yes, I do agree that Psyonix will permanently ban you for toxic chat, there are some key differences that set the two apart.

You see, the main difference between Riot and Psyonix is the use of the chat system. Over 75% of players in Rocket League do not use the chat system. However, compare that to League of Legends, and it's a large difference(not sure how many league players use the chat system at least once in their game, but I'm sure it's a vast majority.)

I have first hand knowledge of the strictness between the two systems. I have received a 24 hour ban from Rocket League for toxic chat, once. Yes, it is true, I have been punished once by Psyonix's system. You see though, Psyonix is far more lenient than Riot when it comes to toxicity, and calculate that with the chances of you being reported(Rocket League has a max of 6 players in a game, whereas league has a max of 10. The more players, the better chance someone is willing to report you.)

Along with this, Psyonix will not issue out a permanent ban(or any of the other tier bans) off of a one-strike system based on previous punishments, where as Riot, on the other hand, keeps it all tallied up, giving you a very slim breathing room for mistake. Riot also will skip 2 of their tiers of bans if the "chat was severe enough." (i.e. saying the word "%%%got," or any other derogatory terms.)

TL;DR Riot is stricter than Psyonix when it comes to punishments. Along with this, they give you the slimmest of chances for improving your behavior, with a "one strike, you're out!" system of punishments.

P.S. Rocket League is 1 other game that permanently bans their players for chat. Please, could you name another? Because two instances of this do not give enough reason why these systems are good at what they do.

P.S.S. My point still stands. Permanently banning a player for abusive chat is unethical, ESPECIALLY when they spend lump amounts on the game, in turn providing more money on the table for the devs. Basically, one is handing the devs 20$, and in turn, they say "you're toxic," and restrict you from playing their game, that you paid money on/for. It's pathetic.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

The only thing I was disputing was that LoL was the only one to use an automated system to punish players. :p

Overwatch does their competitive season bans for cases of conduct breaking though.

I don't expect either OW or RL to permanently ban a player because you do have to pay for both those games.

Anastaecia1 votes

YOU WERE TOXIC. If you can't look over your own logs and see that, I wish you luck in the real world.

The Drunk Moose1 votes

If you followed anything being said in this thread you would have known that I would have been fine with a chat restriction or a warning or hell even a 1-day ban. But an instantaneous 14-day ban for a first time offence for a chatlog which you know Isn't nearly as bad as what this system was designed to prevent is completely unacceptable. I wish you luck in the real and virtual world.

Anastaecia1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Drunk Moose,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=U4MMU00l,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-03-16T10:54:41.337+0000)

If you followed anything being said in this thread you would have known that I would have been fine with a chat restriction or a warning or hell even a 1-day ban. But an instantaneous 14-day ban for a first time offence for a chatlog which you know Isn't nearly as bad as what this system was designed to prevent is completely unacceptable. I wish you luck in the real and virtual world

Don't have to read the thread. Your logs are all that matter, so that's what I read. You were harassing your team mates all game with name calling, hate speech, bullying, etc. Ban deserved. Don't come on here acting all high and mighty. YOU got rightfully punished. Not us. And by your attitude, doesn't surprise me.

I see these same threads dozens of times each day. They are all the same.

"What do you mean I can't go into a public place and start yelling at people because a couple things don't go my way?"

The Drunk Moose1 votes

I fail to see any hate speech. I fail to see a chat log deserving of a two-week ban. What I DO see is you admitting to not reading the thread and thus having no context to from your opinion. Thus your response is completely worthless. You have no idea at what point in the game I said any of that. For all you know all of that came in the last two minutes. The logs aren't the only thing that matter, nothing in this world is black and white and you would be wise to learn that. So again, I wish you luck.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Wait, hate speech? Where?

Their use of "retarded" might have tripped something, but honestly their log looks like the types of offenses that warrant chat restrictions, not 14-day bans.

Anastaecia1 votes

{quoted}

Wait, hate speech? Where?

Their use of "retarded" might have tripped something, but honestly their log looks like the types of offenses that warrant chat restrictions, not 14-day bans.

Hate speech is an instant 14-day. And the rest of the logs don't really put this guy in a good light. Constant name calling, bullying, belittling.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

I'm aware that hate speech results in a 14-day ban, I'm saying I'm not sure what in the chat log would constitute hate speech. I know that the word "retarded" has been getting more controversial, but I don't know if it constitutes hate speech yet.

The rest of the behavior certainly warrants a chat restriction, but not necessarily a 14-day ban.

Rawcarbogrin1 votes

It looks just reasonable to me. GG!

BroLane1 votes

Bro you stressed out and lost control over your emotions. You have to maintain your composure better. Did you get chat bans before?

The Drunk Moose1 votes

No I've never had any type of chat restriction or punishment before. I've been playing the game for 7 years and I've never seen anything like this happen.

BroLane1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Drunk Moose,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=U4MMU00l,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-03-16T18:06:17.301+0000)

No I've never had any type of chat restriction or punishment before. I've been playing the game for 7 years and I've never seen anything like this happen.

You definitely deserve a chat ban for this. This is a really toxic log. I don't think you deserve a ban unless you were angry in the games before and did something similar. You seemed to do well in the two games before. Try to improve.

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