/surrender

rdriagoont·Jun 25, 2016·2 votes·879 views

I was playing ranked with bronzes(which I don't deserve) so I accepted one of my friend's normals invitation. The game goes on and were slowly but surely losing. Then at like more than half way through the game my friend started ff. I voted no for the reason never surrender. Then his reason was that we need to ff just because were losing. I tried to persuade him that just bc were losing doesn't mean lose the chance to practice your mechanics in the game. Then he stated that he was gonna get banned for playing bad and losing. I mean what was that? We were gonna lose either we surrender or not and you don't get banned for poor gameplay. He got recently banned for intentionally feeding. I mean that is a different story, there is even a category for int but not losing and giving ur best in the game whatever the result. I just want ppl to know that surrender is never a good option. You lose, so what, you can still practice for your future games. And somehow if your enemies get tilted or throws the game, or your team just managed to comeback and turn over the game, the more reason to not surrender! I get ppl doing /remake bc in ranked you don't want to lose ip or promos(altho there is a bug that does that even /remake). But if you surrender, you will be the loser who just didn't gave his best. Have a nice day summoners. [slayer-jinx-wink]

10 Comments

SmokedAlmondsJun 25, 20162 votes

Sometimes it is just a matter of practicality. Sure, people throw and comebacks happen. But waiting for the other team to throw is not a very compelling game to be in. Sometimes you are just out matched. Sometimes it is better to just cut your losses and move on.

People need to get over the idea that there is a right or wrong answer to wanting to surrender. It is entirely, personal preference, that is why its a vote. Typically I just vote with the majority. If 3 people don't think a game is winnable then there it won't be so forcing them to stay is just wasting time.

rdriagoontJun 25, 20161 votes

I'm not saying just stand there watch ppl burn to death until the apple to fall from the branch. Also it is not a wasting time if you can practice like i just said.

SmokedAlmondsJun 25, 20161 votes

There can be things to practice. But you could be practicing most of those things in a new game that is both more enjoyable and you have a chance to win. Like I said, waiting for the other team to throw is not a compelling reason to keep playing. Even if it happened it would be a hollow victory that essentially only exists on paper.

Sometimes your team is just so far behind that you can't even play the game.

IMO, people do surrender too easily. But "never surrender" isn't really any better of an attitude imo.

DamagefoxJun 25, 20163 votes

I take multiple things into consideration during a surender vote. It weighs into my decision. I look at the match objectively -Are we ahead by kills, or behind? and if so. by how much?

How many towers have we taken? How many dragons/buffs to we have?
How well is the team working together? -How much progress are we making on objectives?

Alot of times I see even when the team is -Far behind in kills -Team NOT interest in taking towers or objectives (they are more interest in pointlessly chasing kills just to get ambushed and killed)

team is busy Blaming EVERYONE ELSE for thier own mistakes. Teamwork is NIL (sometimes less than) -and we are making NO progress at all, if anything we seem to lose ground.

This is where I refer to the team having "Nuked" itself. Someone dropped the bomb and the team exploded into "an endless mass of toxic flame and player Blame. " Meanwhile any attempt to call for a surrender will not only get immediately shut down and me being flamed because "surrendering is for weaklings and p***ys" but they will usually also call on the other team to report me (Remember calling for a surrender vote ISNT A REPORTABLE OFFENCE)

I see far too many of these "never surrender" types who will bully the team to voting no (usually under fear of reporting/banning/etc) and then hold the entire team hostage because they are unwilling to admit that a match HAS become unwinnable. But they refuse to admit it, so force everyone to play like its the World Championship finals. And those who just want the match to end...are forced to slog along because despite the fact they DONT CARE ABOUT THE MATCH (They accept the match is lost and just want to find a new match where they actually have a CHANCE) They know that they cant just wait it out because that would get them busted. So most players just stop caring. This "never surrender" mentality is dillusional, detatched from reality, and a massive source of stress for the rest of the team. But most players are too tryhard and wrapped up in thier own sense of self-bravado to care that there are 4 other people on the team that DONT think the same way as them.

rdriagoontJun 25, 20161 votes

I do feel you where the whole team is blaming each other and I used to that 2 but I try to keep it cool and, surprisingly, I am these days. There are times where you have bad teammates and that is ok but to prevent that is to give those players a chance to practice their mechanics or decision makings, especially priorities. And you mentioned the "never ff bullies" but I would never hold a grudge on my team just bc they are trying to surrender. All I'm saying that there are more reasons not to surrender way more than there is to. Like one of your teammates has to go or do something that will result in afk, than it is a good reason to ff. I mean they don't want to get rpted for afk, right? So that's one of few reasons that I can't think of rn. Also if they want that losing game to end and have another one that you would actually have a chance to win, then use the losing match as a guide for your future success. Btw if the 4 other ppl in your team wants to end the game, I mean they would vote yes anywys so there is no choice for me even if I vote no, so that's that. And think about it, wouldn't it be better to say, "we lost anywy just practice your mechanics" rather than raging at ppl or refusing to communicate with them at all? I'm not saying to threaten the whole team just bc it is not right to vote yes, I will never do that whatsoever. I just want ppl to know all the good reasons to not just give up. It'll come to life as your will to move forward someday.

rdriagoontJun 25, 20161 votes

I forgot to mention this before but the practice I want ppl to have is the practice that they could get super late game. Like 20 mins is usually where you don't have the max potential using your champion(maximum 3-4 full items and level 10-12 with not much objectives gotten if not losing so much). It can also help with your decision making. I mean early game there isn't much to think about rather than laning phase and few ganks the team might try to have gold advantage of. Also, wether you ff or not the game is lost, you say, than how about you get the most out of it? And you're keep saying that I'm only voting no bc there is a mere 10% chance that the enemy would throw which is not true. I'm saying that if you're one of the ppl who likes to win than grab on to the chance you have. There is nothing wrong in that.

SmokedAlmondsJun 25, 20161 votes

Not surrendering would give you the most out of that particular game. But surrendering can offer the most for your time. If I am in a game that has a 10% chance to win but is going to take 40 more minutes to find out, I could practically start and play an entire extra game with that time. Doing that consistantly will allow me to win more games by playing more games and not wasting time on lost causes. Those games are basically "turtle until everyone is full build" to have a chance and that doesn't consider the reason that you got behind in the first place. I could use that 40 minutes to be in a new game that is more evenly matched which offers both significantly more enjoyment and a better environment to actually improve.

I basically never initiate surrenders because my standard for wanting to surrender is way lower than most people, but I do typical vote yes. You rarely win with people who don't think they can.

I don't mean there is something wrong with an individual not wanting to surrender, if that is how you feel about it, by all means vote no every time. But don't expect others to.

DamagefoxJun 25, 20161 votes

Yeah I just got out of a 5v4 match, our teemo had quit We were getting stomped and barely holding onto our base. But I basically said "GG, Team refuses to surrender" (I know the match was lost and we were one man down) But the response I get really gets under my skin. Enemy warwick comes back with "Good, that means they arent Pu**ies like you!" Its that idea that looking at your match objectively, taking into account how likely success is (team was at each other's throats), and yet even MENTIONNING a surrender vote makes you some sort of pathetic weakling who needs to GTFO League. It just irritates me to no end.

rdriagoontJun 26, 20161 votes

But what you did there was kind of harassing your team by saying as if it is your team's fault for you wasting your time(in your opinion). Not saying that I agree with ww offending you, oh no that's wrong. But you also did somewhat wrong.

rdriagoontJun 26, 20161 votes

But matches don't usually go 60 mins. Ff is only available after 20 mins exact and by then you basically have 10 to 20 mins more in the game. I mean sure you can spend that time TRYING to find another match in dynamic queue(ranked). But like I said you cannot get experienced with the later late game if ffing every time you think your going to lose or get tired of the game.