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So I just got permabanned for what I would consider bad but not bannable behaviour.

biggestshlon··1 votes·1,089 views

To give context, I have just recently come off at 14 day ban because in a norms game I got angry at my team constantly abusing me for having a bad game so I told them to KYS, which I know is a trigger word in league so I should have been aware of this and kept my nerve.

Obviously telling people to KYS is actually a serious thing in case, you know, someone actually does, in which I would have felt gutted but when we get angry and fired up we don't all think logically. I got a 14-day ban for that, which at the time I thought was harsh but in hindsight I definitely deserved it, maybe not a 14-day ban, but I definitely deserved to be punished coz I do get a bit angry at time to time. Mainly only when I get abused first. I generally say nothing, especially in ranked, as I want to win every game 100%.

ANYWAY, to my main point. I just had a game of ranked then, in OCE. Anyway, game started off well, I was playing jungle and helped my team as best I could. During this time, my lux support started verbally abusing the adc draven on my team for what i gather he missed out on what she thought was a free kill? anyway, she abuses him, leaves lane, goes mid and ints. I lose my shit at this point. Lux then starts flaming me for not being bot when the free kills were vacant (even tho I'm all around the map helping out mid and top). She then goes mid again and ints.

After she finally hits lvl 6 at 14 mins into the game, she continuously flames me. Where I finally lose my shit and let her have it, because I know the game is over at this point. a 4v5 with an adc who has no support and a teammate who just wants to piss everyone off. My mid is struggling because of this, but I take it out on them because at this point i've lost hope for this game and I wanted mid to open so we could get this lux out of our game and get onto the next one.

here my my chat logs, yes it's definitely a bit of harsh language in there but nothing that I would consider crossing the line of a PERMABAN, how I wish i would just get like a 50 game chat ban, honestly, it would probably help me climb. I have had this account for 6 years give or take and I was honourable all of last season and only this season i have 2 offences and bam, hit with a PERMABAN for swearing. I'm honestly really pissed off and how the game robots handle permabans. I can understand it if the person if being racist, homophobic, etc. But just using the word fuck, or fkn, or shit, or japseye (which means urethra before anyone loses their shit), or telling people who are intentionally feeding that they're trash or to stfu is not a permabannable offence. Also, I doubt lux will actually cop anything for her behaviour because although she int'ed, she didn't swear a whole lot. The game allows swearing, and I don't swear at teammates who are doing the right thing. Sure i was being an arsehole and I deserve punishment again because I sat in the fountain when their team was shoving our nexus turrets as I wanted the game to be over and didnt want to help this lux or diana who ended up being toxic at the end (i think her and lux were duo but I dunno), but a permaban? is there anyway to challenge this. If not, i'm probs done with this game. I don't want to have to make another acct which in the end, achieves nothing because I'm still on the server right?

Game 1 biggestshlon: sheit biggestshlon: messaging gf soz biggestshlon: ward my red pls biggestshlon: wow nice biggestshlon: e? biggestshlon: wow biggestshlon: noob biggestshlon: you gave him a free kill lul biggestshlon: lux biggestshlon: just stick bot biggestshlon: stop roaming biggestshlon: pls mute each other biggestshlon: wow biggestshlon: diana' biggestshlon: is actual shit biggestshlon: why is mid a fkn fiesta biggestshlon: cant people just farm without feeding out their arse? biggestshlon: i came fkn bot biggestshlon: you japseye biggestshlon: also i cant be fkn everywhere biggestshlon: erf're4tuy biggestshlon: REEEEEEE biggestshlon: 2/9 bot and supp at 11 mins and super toxicty fkn ayeeeee biggestshlon: and did nothing with it biggestshlon: other than feed and fkn bitch biggestshlon: dont play ranked biggestshlon: poor dreav biggestshlon: stfu biggestshlon: you did nothing biggestshlon: you played lux supp biggestshlon: shes not even lvl 6 at 13 mins biggestshlon: and she has the audacity to shittalk the entire team biggestshlon: fkn ranked biggestshlon: ye biggestshlon: and picked lux biggestshlon: pure trash biggestshlon: lux you did fkn nothing' biggestshlon: just stfu biggestshlon: all you did was bitch and feed biggestshlon: surrender biggestshlon: your jg got free kills biggestshlon: coz your supp and mid arent downies biggestshlon: ye fk this biggestshlon: im done biggestshlon: catcha fellas biggestshlon: diana takes biggestshlon: red biggestshlon: like fkn stupid biggestshlon: lux not lvl 6 at 13 mins biggestshlon: nah biggestshlon: fk this biggestshlon: mate biggestshlon: i cant be fkn eveyrwhere biggestshlon: i ganked top and mid biggestshlon: cantbaBY SIT YOUR FKN LANE biggestshlon: fk it time to run it down mid biggestshlon: end pls biggestshlon: i cant spend any more time in this game with lux biggestshlon: lux biggestshlon: you realise biggestshlon: there are other lanes biggestshlon: than bot? biggestshlon: you being a toxic %%%% biggestshlon: doesnt make me want to help you biggestshlon: so pls biggestshlon: dont ever play lux supp biggestshlon: or talk shit biggestshlon: or ima straight run it down mid biggestshlon: lux biggestshlon: you are actually fgkn retarded biggestshlon: and dont deserve any help biggestshlon: you bail on drav for no fkn reason to go mid and feed biggestshlon: fk thos biggestshlon: fk this biggestshlon: i aint playing properly for %%%%s liek you biggestshlon: you are this mmr biggestshlon: you fkn %%%% biggestshlon: thats why no one can climb biggestshlon: PLS END biggestshlon: stop fkn around biggestshlon: and kill our nexus biggestshlon: HAHAHAHAHAH DIANA biggestshlon: oi yas biggestshlon: how good do you reckon this diana was out of 10 biggestshlon: cuious?

Legit probably none of you will agree with anything I wrote above but, l'm a little salty right now.

55 Comments

Umbral Regent9 votes

and bam, hit with a PERMABAN for swearing.

No, you got permabanned for harassing your teammates, arguing, flaming, threatening to feed, and hate speech.

All following your 14-day ban.

This ban was more than deserved.

biggestshlon1 votes

Sure I can't argue that I didnt flame, argue and threaten to feed, but this was all directed at a player who actually was INTing, and then directed at my mid laner who flames me? I am not saying i am exempt from punishment, but that the punishment is harsh given my history and lack of chat bans/any reports over 6 years, but in the space of 1 month I am permanently banned for losing my cool at people who are actually griefing me? Please. That's just like sending someone who breaks the law for a DUI to the electric chair. why not send them to prison? or send them to AAA. Have a punishment that befits the crime. This is super unreasonable punishment in my opinion. Yes I should be banned for more days or chat banned which may actually help my temper at griefers, but not permanbanned.

Umbral Regent4 votes

Have a punishment that befits the crime.

You told someone to kill themselves, and got a 14-day ban.

You then used hate speech shortly following that 14-day.

A permaban fits this entirely, since both are against Riot's zero-tolerance policy.

biggestshlon1 votes

2 offences, says kys in a game, then flames a teammate for inting. Sure it's not great. But permabannable?

Kanzler5 votes

  1. was your last punishment a 14 day ban?

  2. if yes, did you exibit toxic behaviour worthy of punishment (even a chat restriction)

  3. if yes, what punishment comes after 14 day ban?

It's really not a difficult flow chart to follow.

biggestshlon1 votes

Yeah I think you're missing the point where I said I don't think a permaban is a fair punishment, it's overkill for 2 lapses of not super terrible behaviour. I 100% agree I should be punished. Just not permaban, I know how their punishment chart works, but I disagree with its implementation.

Kanzler4 votes

Then send in a ticket, but you really cant hope for much. It's a 4 strike system and your KYS from the previous ban just means you skip the first two tiers. Then, apparently fulling knowing how it works, you earned yourself another punishment.

You agree you should be punished and you were. I'm not really sure what punishment you had in mind after coming off a 14-day.

biggestshlon1 votes

Yeah I sent a ticket :)

I hope they have mercy and just downgrade the punishment to a 25-50 day chat restriction. As i made sure I did not say anything in the nature of KYS this time i got mad, so obviously the punishment works. But I can't work on behaviour with a permaban. a 25-50 day chat restriction would more than likely make me think twice about responding to trolls in the future.

Kanzler3 votes

Like I said, dont get your hopes up. If a 14 day ban didn't get you to think twice, I doubt your claims that a chat restriction would.

ShaolinToilet6 votes

Seems like you were racist and used hatespeech

biggestshlon1 votes

can you point out where I used racist speech?

turboExtra4 votes

{quoted}

can you point out where I used racist speech?

{quoted}

biggestshlon: you japseye

biggestshlon: you are actually fgkn retarded

biggestshlon: i aint playing properly for %%%%s liek you

biggestshlon: you fkn %%%%

that is racist and hate speech..

biggestshlon1 votes
  1. Japseye isn't racist, please look up what it means before labeling me so. Also, the expletives were the words 'chunts' without the 'h'. Also, not racist. So no, it wasn't hate speech, it was vulgar language yes and griefing yes. But nothing crossing the line.
Average Gerg4 votes

If you can't even comprehend that the word japseye is obviously racist, then I don't know if a complex game like League of Legends is good for you.

biggestshlon1 votes

Please go lookup the definition of the word, please tell me in that definition where it is racist. Thanks.

biggestshlon1 votes

furthermore, do you even know what racism is?

Imperial Pandaa4 votes

You aren't looking for if it is bannable behavior, but is it punishable behavior. It was punishable behavior.

biggestshlon

Yeah I actually agree with you on this. I should be punished. I just don't think a permaban is the solution. I've never been chat restricted and I would have preferred that because then when I reply to trolls who are baiting me, at least no one has to see it.

CoopA8263 votes

"not bannable behaviour"

Spamming Capslock Complaining Bitching Giving up Threatening to grief Insulting

What do you concider bannable behaviour if not that? LOL

biggestshlon1 votes

Capslock and complaining aren't bad behaviour. Giving up is fair when the game is definitely over because the support is inting and griefing, the rest I can't argue with. Yeah it's bannable of punishable behaviour, but not PERMA-bannable behaviour in my opinion.

CoopA8265 votes

Well the system actually doesn't care about how extreme your toxicity was.

After your 14 day ban you were warned that ANY VIOLATION of the ToS would result in a permanent suspension.

You were supposed to stop with the toxic shit immediately. You didn't.

biggestshlon: you fkn %%%%

If this was the only thing you said the entire game it would have been enough for a permanent suspension. But of course there is a whole lot more to be found in your chat logs lol

biggestshlon1 votes

If that's the case, that is a very petty reason for a permaban and the permaban system should be reviewed. Honestly, that would be bs.

CoopA8263 votes

IMO it's perfectly reasonable.

After your first chat restriction you were warned that future punishments will be harsher. After your second chat restriction you still refused to improve your behaviour. With your 14 day ban you were told to stop being toxic or else. At this point you had 3 warnings and 3 chances. You ignored all of them

The permanent ban is fine because after many warnings you still refuse to fix your behaviour. You are unwilling to improve and are therefore removed from the community

biggestshlon1 votes

It's not perfectly reasonable because I never got a chat restriction the first or second time. I got a 14 day ban and then permabanned.

To be fair, I would have loved a chat restriction because then i cant respond to trolls.

biggestshlon1 votes

and all of this could have been avoided.

CoopA8262 votes

Well if you skipped all chat restrictions then that means you were either racist, homophobic or you told someone to commit suicide, in which case you can't expect anybody to feel sorry for you. The ban is still perfectly justified

Takazaki2 votes

from what ive skimmed this is perma worthy.

your ticket will likely be auto closed/ denied.

biggestshlon1 votes

In the end, you were right. Ticket denied.

I think the system needs a review. Very harsh penalty for a very minor offence. At the very least, the ticket appeal system needs a review because the response I got was roughly along the lines of 'we never reverse bans, ever, under any circumstace' - umm then why have an appeal system if you're always going to say no? To get people's hopes up? kthx.

Takazaki1 votes

the system is working fine and accurately. it is VERY clear how it works on a tier system and not a per offence one. if it worked per offensive it would lead directly lead to more toxicity.

the appeal system is for false or unjust bans. yours was clearly neither from the get go.

per example of a false ban, there is a group of trolls baiting people to say "kys" in chat to report them and get their account banned.

what you did clearly break ToS and the summoner code, and you were off a 14 day ban which serves as a final warning that any infraction after it little or big will result in a perma.

Arammus2 votes

first line "to give context" k skip.

biggestshlon1 votes

Context is important, if you don't take context into consideration when you review something, then you have a very small, very limited attention span and you will likely never fully grasp a situation ever.

Arammus1 votes

that is true. but you made 2 mistakes

  1. i dont review your chatlogs because i cant judge them. and 2. riot has the oppinion (that the majority of the community agrees with) that no matter who flames or why someone flames... if you flame you break the rules.

so yea. context does not matter in this case. but i mean almost every comment told you that and you dont accept it... so we cant help you. GL on your next account tho

biggestshlon1 votes

Oh I didn't actually run it down mid, you can rewatch the game if you want, I just wanted my teammates to surrender, so I said anything. Context always helps I guess.

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

That's still griefing & is punishable. You deserved it.

biggestshlon1 votes

Yeah, I don't disagree. I only disagree with the permaban.

BeatzBoyFTW5 votes

Your last punishment was a 14 days suspension, which means any sign of negativity in the future WILL result in a permaban, so it's still logical.

biggestshlon1 votes

yeah i know that's their MO, but I just think it's over punishment, and now no access to the account i sunk countless hours into? Just for literally 2 lapses, that aren't in retrospect, super terrible. Yeah I griefed and deserve punishment. It's just a brutal system and i'm upset.

biggestshlon1 votes

Also, I've never, ever, had a chat ban before, not in previous years, not this year. I was straight to the 14 day ban and then permaban, for literally swearing. 0 homophobic or racist dialogue. Pretty salty. You'd be surprised how many people intentionally feed and don't get punished. But permabanned for swearing?

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

The word "kys" is a non-tolerated word which will most of the time results in an instant 14 days suspension, or a permaban.

When you said he was "intentionally feeding", is he really intentionally feeding or just having a bad game? There's a big difference.

biggestshlon1 votes

Our lux was intentionally feeding, shittalked draven for about 5 mins, went mid, threw a few skill shots, stood still and died. You could pass it as a mistake until she did it a second time. There's no mistake in trolling your adc and then inting another lane.

Jamaree1 votes

So you used some kind of hate speech and since this is a perma I assume this isn't your first punishment correct?

biggestshlon1 votes

Yeah my second offence ever. Previous one was literally like 3 weeks ago. I wouldn't say hate speech so much as angry speech. Hate speech falls under racism and homophobic language, all I did was tell the INTing lux that she was shit and trash, which, she really was. Anyone who ints and shittalks her adc after 5 mins is trash and should be told to stfu tbh.

I deserve to be punished for sure, I just think that a permaban is unreasonable given the above, also given my history.

Jamaree2 votes

{quoted}

Yeah my second offence ever. Previous one was literally like 3 weeks ago. I wouldn't say hate speech so much as angry speech. Hate speech falls under racism and homophobic language, all I did was tell the INTing lux that she was shit and trash, which, she really was. Anyone who ints and shittalks her adc after 5 mins is trash and should be told to stfu tbh.

I deserve to be punished for sure, I just think that a permaban is unreasonable given the above, also given my history.

You went from a prior 2 week ban to calling people homosexual racist terms and are surprised you got banned, like dude, come on.

biggestshlon1 votes

What did I say that was homosexual or racist?

Jamaree2 votes

{quoted}

What did I say that was homosexual or racist?

Ah, my mistake, thought the muted words were slurs, still, yeah kind of on you.

biggestshlon1 votes

oh, the muted words, were 'chunts (silent h)' basically an australian colloqiual word to describe a mate if using it friendly or a dickhead if using it aggressively. Basically me calling him a dickhead.

fatherdarius1 votes

Your opinion and Riot's opinion (and apparently the community's opinion) may agree on what is punishable behavior.

There is obvious disagreement between what you consider appropriate degrees of punishment for punishable behavior.

So, it's cool you've stated your opinion.

I imagine that in the end, you'll have to just agree to disagree. I doubt you're gonna change your opinion, and I doubt they're going to change their punishment scales.

shrug

Sounds like when you have a disagreement with your boss, wife/girlfriend, parents, in laws, or law enforcement. You can totally state your opinion, but it doesn't always change anything.

Good luck in your endeavor in reducing your punishment.

biggestshlon2 votes

Yeah you make a valid point. Who knows. The account means a lot to me as it's my only account to play league on.

Minulfur1 votes

Just buy a new one lol

Xidphel1 votes

Or throw your money out the window. Whatever works.

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