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anyone else notice that the tribunal is completely useless and only punishes the victims?

Rancid Reaver·11/22/2016, 3:20:57 AM·2 votes·1,251 views

3 people on my team openly admitted to keeping me from catching up to my laner by taxing my lane and keeping me from getting gold these players did not get penalized (but i did for telling them to get out my lane)(may have swore at them a couple times but what do you expect) and for now on im just gonna do my best not to reply but bad game or not this should not be fucking happening over and over and the people never get punished its the victims that get punishment.

once again requesting a fix to the tribunal it has been down for maintenance for well over 3 months (thats pathetic!)

i hate bothering you guys with this petty stuff but this is ridiculous i have shit like this happen to me almost every other game #1 reason im still in bronze is because you guys dont ban people that are 1.) racist 2.) trying to piss off their own team 3.) trolling the game 4.) harassing their teamates 5.) griefing or intentionally feeding otherwise leaving the enemy team a free game... so please lets get that tribunal fixed.

i have reported north of 100 people for saying or spamming the word (n*gger) in chat more than half didnt get banned isnt there like a simple line right there i might be wrong but if you say that word in front of me you better hope cops are around(this is not a threat just an example)... i also think its time to do a purge of your current tribunal group if all these reasons arent enough to get people banned ive gotten penalized just for replying to people (multiple times with video evidance) who are freaking out on me and these guys would be allowed to get away with murder if left up to the current people that are running it i am litterally begging you guys to fix your reporting system.... GLHF

STOP BANNING THE VICTIMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!@!@!!!!11

27 Comments

Desolas Arterius11/22/2016, 5:09:42 PM4 votes

Okay so, few things:

1: The Tribunal has been down for years. It was a pretty faulty system, and was replaced with the Instant Feedback System that we use now. The Tribunal wont be back until sometime after the LCU goes live, but even then it'll be drastically different and improved.

2: Toxic people is not the reason you're in Bronze. I'm mean this sincerely. Don't let others hold you back when you can improve. Look towards yourself and see what you're doing wrong. Regardless if there is a troll or toxic player in your team, you can still climb so long as your individual skill is above theirs. If you blame other's attitude for the reason you're in Bronze, then you really need to take a look at yourself and find out the real reason as to why you can't climb. Don't skirt responsibility; only you can better yourself.

3: IFS does not punish victims. In fact, the new system has a very little error rate when it comes to punishing toxic players. Mostly because the IFS allows for players to Reform and prevent themselves from getting banned if they're willing to change their behavior.

4: People are not getting away with anything. If you are reporting as much as you say you are, then I guarantee you that those toxic players will be punished. It may not be immediate, but it does happen. The thing is, you wont know when and how they'll get punished. Perhaps this was their first infraction? Maybe their first punishment? The system works in tiers, so maybe some of them just received chat bans or a suspension. You don't know this, so don't think that they are getting away with it.

Also, gameplay trolling is much harder to detect quickly than behavioral, so usually trolling takes a few more reports before punishment is dealt. It does happen, trust me, just not as quickly as toxic behavior gets punished since that looks for words and certain phrasing. It's easier to spot a toxic player than it is a troll, so remember that when reporting.

But still, always report the ones who deserve it, and continue improving yourself so you can be the best you can be.

I hope that helped.

HexaDecimel11/22/2016, 5:48:51 PM4 votes

Riot actually has a very low false positive rate. I have only seen two or three instances where a punishment was handed down in error and Riot was always willing to fix the issue when it was brought to their attention.

I have reported a lot of people as well. Sometimes I get a message saying they got punished, other times I don't and I understand that either they aren't normally like that or they will eventually get theirs.

Riot is generally very quick to perma ban extreme cases of racism, sexism, and death threats. The problem is that too many people don't seem to understand that getting into a verbal contest with another player is not acceptable. You aren't defending yourself or another player, you are just fanning the flames. If you see an issue politely ask that they stop or offer some helpful advice and if it isn't accepted then mute and report. That's literally all you have to do. If players are getting banned then its not because they are victims.

Overall I think the reporting system works pretty well. The players choose what is reportable, we choose whether or not we want to report, and the system offers leeway for players that have an occasional off game. Things like chat are easy for the system to catch so naturally you will see more of those punishments handed out. Stuff like trolling through gameplay and builds is a little harder but Riot is constantly working to improve the system and I have seen an increase in player bans due to trolling. And they actually have a pretty good record catching third party programs and account sharing. As with everything it isn't perfect, it is a net, some things will slip through, but a majority is caught.

Frink11/22/2016, 3:25:43 AM3 votes

There hasn't been a "Tribunal" for years now.

EvilDustMan11/22/2016, 12:35:07 PM2 votes

What do you think pouring out hate and bile is going to do to fix the situation?

Z Statistic11/22/2016, 8:36:40 PM2 votes

There are no 'victims' in a chat altercation. This kind of thinking is asinine. If you'll be more polite, you'll probably have better success at the game and improving yourself. Blowing up people does nothing because it just makes it harder to work together and win.

I'm kind of curious though. The past few years have shown a marketed decrease in the number of complaints for bans handed out to crass individuals who just don't give a fuck. But I'm starting to see a trend where now the busybodies are getting banned because they have their head up their ass. The system is cannibalizing itself. I'm not sure whether to be happy that everything is playing out how I predicted or sad that everything is playing out how I predicted.

Croiss11/22/2016, 3:40:29 AM2 votes

Just had a game not to long ago with this shitty 4man premade Syndra who kept telling me to "get aids and die" basically and flamed me whole game with said premade. Can't wait to see that message, even though the system probably wont do anything. Just hoping that it will.

midnight oil2411/22/2016, 7:05:09 PM1 votes

You shouldn't have sworn at them. You need to be polite when telling them to GTFO, or try taxing their lanes in return. If they can take from yours, surely it's only fair to take from theirs.

Also, you're not be in bronze just for having bad teammates. You might need to get better as well. Saying that it's your teammates fault isn't a solution to your problem.