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Multi accounts to evade disciplinary action

PBcali·Jul 28, 2019·5 votes·2,421 views

Normally i just resort to using the in game reporting system, but in this extreme case i believe it would be appropriate for serious action to be taken into consideration against a player who displayed pure malicious behavior and mental attitude.

I'm enjoying playing ranked games and take them very serious. At the start of my game a team mate commented on our Ryze top's uncommon summoner spells. After which he stated something alone the lines of, "oh sorry guys i plan on just running it down this game" I realized he was not joking when he died 5 times in the first 5 minutes. I figured he must be getting back at a team mate who he had bad experience with in past games, but later found out it was a player not even in our game who upset him and was causing him to sabotage my game. And he felt it would be of no consequence because if any action taken is against his account he would just play on his "other" account.

As a paying customer who would like to enjoy ranked games and keep them competitive and serious I really hope RIOT can address this problem of criminal players simply changing accounts to evade any consequences for their actions.

38 Comments

PxerkzaJul 28, 20193 votes

come on man you are lvl 278 you can't possibly tell me this is the first time you got inted ...

report and hope that they do it more so they get permad

riot can't perma ban a player from playing the game they can just perma ban an account and for those people it doesn't really matter but it's still effectively making them lose their time/money

PBcaliJul 28, 20193 votes

you sound ignorant, so the more something pisses you off the more you ignore it? Not sure that makes any sense bud. Many other company have more effective methods to deal with these types of problems. I know for a fact Blizzard enacts IP bans and CD key bans. where once an account has logged in using the blacklisted client (cd key) it is automatically banned. Riot could give each client a unique ID that can not be changed just like a MAC address.

Timethief49Jul 28, 20192 votes

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you sound ignorant, so the more something pisses you off the more you ignore it? Not sure that makes any sense bud. Many other company have more effective methods to deal with these types of problems. I know for a fact Blizzard enacts IP bans and CD key bans. where once an account has logged in using the blacklisted client (cd key) it is automatically banned. Riot could give each client a unique ID that can not be changed just like a MAC address.

Would like a source on how that "cd key" thing is supposed to work since you can just deinstall and reinstall the client. Also would like a source on IP banning since most companies strictly dont do this for multiple reasons: Easily avoidable since IPs are quite easy to change. Hurt innocent people in cases of for example dorms, internet cafes or family computers in which all share the same IP.

zPOOPzJul 28, 20192 votes

You have to pay money for those CD Keys and you cannot validate your game without one, which makes each one unique and expensive to change (unless you pirate). League of Legends is a free-2-play game, which means people can obtain as many free "CD Keys" as they want. You are not comparing apples to apples.

Many homes only have 1 PC and 1 IP address with multiple unique users. College dorms usually only have 1 unique IP address. Internet cafe' also normally have 1 unique IP address and a single PC or League client can be used by a great many users. Banning IP address or MAC address (both of which can be easily changed or spoof with the magic of google btw) will effectively cause great harms to innocent players who just happened to use the same PC or IP address in their home, college, internet cafe', or any "free wi-fi" environment.

I know for a fact Blizzard enacts IP bans

Also, Blizzard doesn't do IP ban either nowaday so might want to do some fact check.

PBcaliJul 28, 20193 votes

i know blizzard was IP banning until december 2017 which i guess in ancient history. They even went as far as banning any account associated by flagging the accounts which logged in on blacklisted CD key(client ID). Changing your IP address would not redeem your banned account and logging into the banned account would flag your new CD key. A lot of people can not change their IP with simple "google it" methods like resetting modem. Some IP is assigned to the ISP's customer and using things like a VPN is a ping nightmare. I've had the same IP for 7 years. Every version of windows already has a unique "product ID", something like that could be used as well. You can shoot down my ideas but to say it's impossible cant be true.

zPOOPzJul 28, 20192 votes

CD Keys work because those cost money and can be targeted easily because it is expensive to change or obtain a new one. CD Keys are a pay to play model. League is a free to play model. Free means Rito is not going to be able to limit the amount of "CD Keys" they are going to give out without causing collateral damages.

of course no one said it's impossible, but the massive amount of collateral damage it would cost to innocent people who did nothing more than being in the same house using the same computer with a relative who got banned, or being in a college dorm room with the same IP address as any one of the people in that same dorm who got banned, or playing in an internet cafe on the same PC that got banned, or access one of the numerous free-wifi environment. Those on top of the ability to spoof out of hwid or ip ban are why your idea is bad.

PBcaliJul 28, 20193 votes

so a ban on a windows product ID # could cause players who share the same computer to be accountable for each others actions? Seems like that might actually BENEFIT the community by enforcing positive behavior.

zPOOPzJul 28, 20192 votes

benefits HOW? Someone going to an internet cafe is not going to be able to control ANY previous users of that pc. The cafe owners are not going to hold anyone accountable for THEIR accounts being banned. You think brothers should fight each other for shit they do with their personal accounts? You think Rito is that stupid???

PxerkzaJul 28, 20192 votes

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you sound ignorant, so the more something pisses you off the more you ignore it? Not sure that makes any sense bud. Many other company have more effective methods to deal with these types of problems. I know for a fact Blizzard enacts IP bans and CD key bans. where once an account has logged in using the blacklisted client (cd key) it is automatically banned. Riot could give each client a unique ID that can not be changed just like a MAC address.

blizzard doesn't do free to play

i can change my ip with a 5 min youtube tutorial

PBcaliJul 28, 20193 votes

you can play their top game WoW untill level 20 for free tho.

i cant change my IP without a VPN and that would ruin my ping.

PxerkzaJul 28, 20191 votes

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you can play their top game WoW untill level 20 for free tho.

i cant change my IP without a VPN and that would ruin my ping.

wow definitely is about lvl 20

Midg3tJul 28, 20191 votes

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i cant change my IP without a VPN and that would ruin my ping.

You can simply restart your router to change your IP

GatekeeperTDSJul 28, 20192 votes

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PBcaliJul 28, 20193 votes

i dont even know what you're referring to

CharDeeMcDennizJul 28, 20191 votes

probably this

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you sound ignorant

PBcaliJul 28, 20193 votes

Lmao. sorry if that offended anybody, but if the solution to a problem was to just accept it and move on then run into the same exact problem again and again then it wouldn't be much of a viable solution would it?

ModUlanopoJul 29, 20191 votes

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you sound ignorant,

In the future, you should avoid statements like these, as they add nothing to your argument and feel unnecessarily hostile.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 28, 20192 votes

It sucks, but how do they change it? How do they fix this problem that nobody else has actually fixed?

They could use some ID, but that'd completely obliterate the playerbase. Charging money doesn't really do much. They can't prove accounts are the same person unless they stream.

So...how do they fix the problem?

PBcaliJul 28, 20193 votes

yes, Riot could give each client a unique ID that can not be changed just like a MAC address. This ID could also be linked to IP address to add double protection against changing IP or ID's. And as i said before this problem exists in other games. I come from playing Diablo 2 for over 10 years where it was a constant fight against Blizzard and 3rd party program "hackers". Blizzard always won and they ended up with ban waves wiping out thousands of accounts even causing players to quit, but what was left was only the legit non hacking players :)

DuskDaUmbreonJul 28, 20193 votes

And when they reinstall the client? What if they spoof it, like you can do with mac addresses according to a quick google search?

Assigning it to IPs doesn't work for the reasons IP bans don't work.

PBcaliJul 28, 20193 votes

use another way to register each client unique to the user. Like a windows product ID #. Maybe having to reinstall windows every time your account gets banned could enforce positive behavior ?

DuskDaUmbreonJul 28, 20193 votes

Is that even enforceable? Is it spoofable?

If the answer to 1 is no, or the answer to 2 is yes, then your solution won't work. And what about Mac users? They literally don't have one.

PBcaliJul 28, 20193 votes

Got to start somewhere. Im just a player not my job to figure this out... a system should already be implemented and it for sure doesn't take an Edward Snowden to figure out.

rujitraJul 28, 20193 votes

Then why does no other free to play game have such a system?

PBcaliJul 28, 20191 votes

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zPOOPzJul 28, 20192 votes

it's ONE game. Report it, submit a support ticket to make yourself feel better, and MOVE ON...

PBcaliJul 28, 20193 votes

you must be blind.. i just posted a screen shot of him doing it multiple games in a row.

zPOOPzJul 28, 20191 votes

only one game with you. report it, submit support ticket, MOVE ON

PBcaliJul 28, 20193 votes

lvl 34 zPOOPz not sure why im even replying to you probably lost track of all your multi accounts.. Yes i submitted a ticket but only response was from a BOT. Resolving this multi account issue will take more than an automated bot reply.

zPOOPzJul 28, 20191 votes

There is nothing to resolve with multi account. Smurf is allowed. It has been allowed for 10 seasons. It's not going to change. Unless someone gets hit with an extremely rare ID ban, multi account ban is not going to happen for 99.99% of the player base. Accept it and move on with your life.

Rito already has the so called multi account ban. It's called an ID ban.

PBcaliJul 28, 20193 votes

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zPOOPzJul 28, 20191 votes

These last minute arcade quests not going to complete themselves...

ID ban is a ban on the player, not just account. If Rito spots you with ANY account, even if completely clean and non-toxic one, they perma-ban it. ID ban is only reserve for the most extreme toxic individual and mostly only if they publicly showing the account they are using, like streaming it.

CharDeeMcDennizJul 28, 20191 votes

which is blatantly against board rules

5 Dollar HollerJul 28, 20193 votes

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it's ONE game. Report it, submit a support ticket to make yourself feel better, and MOVE ON...

I looked up the match history, and found the Ryze in question. It's definitely an account with the purpose of inting.

Most recent matches: 1-12, 2-12, 1-13, 1-25, 3-15, 0-17

Unfortunately for the OP, Riot takes intentionally ruining games less seriously than other offenses such as being "mean" to other players. Personally, I'd rather have an a**hole on my team who's trying to win than someone actually trying to lose. I can't hit the mute button to stop an intentional feeder.

But to your OP question, you miss the point of Riot's business model. Multiple accounts means multiple chances to make money. Why would they ban a player's IP when that player will spend real life money building up multiple accounts? It's much more lucrative for them to ban an account (money is already spent) and then have that same player spend more money building another account. This isn't a charity.

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