Perma bans for behavior

Yourmydaddy247·Jan 28, 2018·3 votes·806 views

There should be no perma bans ever for something you have put money into. Take away chat privileges and ranked play. Only leave open blind and arram, let them stew and hopefully they will calm down and earn their privileges back but never perma ban. Make a game where people can be as toxic as they want some people need to take it out somewhere stop catering to snowflakes whos feelings do not matter. When your climbing silver and get 2 games 10 mins in with afks and the team doesnt remake you suffer because there is nothing you can do, and hamstringing people to adhere to a behavior policy when they are crapped on due to something they cant control is just as wrong as being toxic.

16 Comments

BubblyRainbowsJan 28, 20187 votes

People who can't control their temper or their need to abuse other players should find better things to do with their time. For example: Anger therapy. But they absolutely SHOULD be permabanned.

It's very simple. To play the game, you have to accept an agreement that says (in part, and paraphrased for simplicity) "I will not flame, harass, or otherwise be a douche to other players. If I do these things, Riot has the right to suspend or terminate my account". If they break that agreement, they get punished. If they do it frequently enough, their account is terminated. Whether they paid money or not is irrelevant. They broke the agreement, they accept the punishment they agreed to. It never ceases to amaze me how many people argue and complain about getting exactly what they agreed to receive for doing what they did.

In my view, it's the flamers who get repeatedly banned and then cry about it that are the real "snowflakes." They think that they should be allowed to be a douche to anyone they want, say and do whatever they like, and suffer no consequences for it. Sounds a lot like they think they are "special and unique", doesn't it?

ModUlanopoJan 28, 20185 votes

stop catering to snowflakes whos feelings do not matter.

NEWS FLASH: everyone's feelings matter.

Imperial PandaaJan 28, 20181 votes

What about Amumu 's?

Umbral RegentJan 28, 20184 votes

stop catering to snowflakes whos feelings do not matter.

Common misconception - it's not about feelings, it's about rules. The rules say not to flame, you flame, you get punished. You continually ignore the rules, you get banned.

If you can't play by the rules, you can't play at all.

ResterJan 28, 20183 votes

It doesn't matter if you put $2 or $2000 into the game. You're gonna be banned the same way for being an asshole as the next person would. There's no place for toxicity.

You're welcome to try to be an asshole to people in real life. Let's see how far that gets you.

ModiJan 28, 20182 votes

Only leave open blind and arram

So push their toxicity into the games I play? No thank you.

SavageConcordiaJan 28, 20181 votes

let them stew and hopefully they will calm down

They won't. They will ruin games for people who enjoy blind pick and aram.

Make a game where people can be as toxic as they want some people need to take it out somewhere stop catering to snowflakes whos feelings do not matter.

By all means, you can do it. But Riot won't because, like most of the world, they have expectations that people treat each other with some semblance of respect.

When your climbing silver and get 2 games 10 mins in with afks and the team doesnt remake you suffer because there is nothing you can do,

Thankfully Riot has an automated leaverbuster system that will punish those players.

and hamstringing people to adhere to a behavior policy when they are crapped on due to something they cant control is just as wrong as being toxic.

No, the afks are punished for violating rules just like you are. Sure it sucks when it happens but believe it or not, raging at your remaining 3 teammates won't improve the life of anyone in that game or bring the afk back. The odds that you get an afk on your team is actually lower than playing against one. So just play out the game, maybe ask your team if they want to open mid (only do so if everyone agrees).

BijeesnyJan 29, 20182 votes

Thankfully Riot has an automated leaverbuster system that will punish those players.

Ouch, leaver will get 20 mins break at best to take a shit/piss/ eat food/drink water/ smoke a cigarette while u will be tilted for at least 2 more games Seems fair xD

SavageConcordiaJan 29, 20181 votes

If losing one game of league tilts you for multiple games you need to take a break from league.

AzureDragoonJan 28, 20181 votes

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There should be no perma bans ever for something you have put money into. Take away chat privileges and ranked play. Only leave open blind and arram, let them stew and hopefully they will calm down and earn their privileges back but never perma ban.

Remember the Terms of Service that you clicked "I Agree" to? Yea, here's some relevant points:

https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse#account-termination https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse#virtual-goods

Make a game where people can be as toxic as they want some people need to take it out somewhere stop catering to snowflakes whos feelings do not matter.

Yep, Riot agree's with that sentiment. That's why they don't care about the feelings of snowflakes who think they are entitled to be as crass, obscene, obnoxious, rude, etc. to others with zero consequences.

General Esdeath Jan 29, 20181 votes

Sounds like a personal problem OP

Yourmydaddy247Feb 1, 20181 votes

To all those that disagree then why do we have mute buttons?

Imperial PandaaFeb 1, 20182 votes

People who report are simply being oversensitive. The mute button exists for a reason.

Lets start with the Riot quote on this (link (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30696571#post30696571)): Why is verbal abuse punishable if there is a mute button/language filter? Players shouldnt need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player. Simply put, Riot says no. You can scream and cry all you want, but it is their house and their rules.

With that out of the way, I think the topic deserves some further discussion. The theory is that, if people resolved to care less, then they would be happier. I often refer to this as Argument from Stoicism and I think it is a fairly weak philosophy because it places the burden on the person being expected to endure the behavior rather than the person exhibiting the behavior. You should be able to handle it is just a flimsy excuse for being a bully or a jerk. I have to be the bigger man so that you can do whatever you want? That hardly seems fair.

There is also the issue of how I spend my limited free time. Like most people, I am constantly required to make value judgments between the different forms of entertainment that are available to me and, let's be honest, we live in an age of nearly limitless entertainment options. If I'm having a bad day in League, I can just fire up Steam and play a whole bunch of games that don't require me to put up with someone's BS.

This is not an issue of weakness or thin-skin; it's a question of choosing activities that don't leave me feeling frustrated and angry. Too many of those experiences and I'll just find something else to do. Riot knows this.

Pulled from Ulanopos Knowledge Base

Yourmydaddy247Feb 3, 20181 votes

So if the toxic people had chat privileges taken instead of being banned would that be so bad? could still play but not talk. Seems like a good compromise. People still get to play thin skins don't get pierced.

ModPrandineFeb 3, 2018

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So if the toxic people had chat privileges taken instead of being banned would that be so bad? could still play but not talk. Seems like a good compromise. People still get to play thin skins don't get pierced.

Except that only makes it more likely that they'll switch to gameplay-related means of griefing and harassing other players. Riot Tantram posted about this a few months ago:

It really breaks down into two categories.

1.) Helping players reform 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost.

We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely.

We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it.

We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling.

The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS.

So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat?