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The Priorities of a Broken System

CLMBIA x ZAPATA··1 votes·1,975 views

Riot Games have created a delicately fragile environment with some absolutely absurd standards and priorities. I have just recently discovered that I have been permabanned for a single incident that happened earlier today. One game.

An 0-8-0 Yasuo who straight, in chat, wrote "fuck you guys, i'm inting" after I, the jungler, spent time on winning lanes. It was at this point I said all of the following. All of this was after he said he was going to intentionally feed:

CLMBIA x ZAPATA: You're ungankable CLMBIA x ZAPATA: farm CLMBIA x ZAPATA: Your lane sucks CLMBIA x ZAPATA: Getting others fed CLMBIA x ZAPATA: You would be someone who plays Yas CLMBIA x ZAPATA: Emotionally fragile as fuck CLMBIA x ZAPATA: "Never ganks" CLMBIA x ZAPATA: 4 kill participation CLMBIA x ZAPATA: YOU LOST CLMBIA x ZAPATA: EVERY OTHER LANE IS FED CLMBIA x ZAPATA: I'm duo with Ahri CLMBIA x ZAPATA: And we're both laughing at you CLMBIA x ZAPATA: ^^^^ CLMBIA x ZAPATA: Report the fuck out of this Yasuo CLMBIA x ZAPATA: Report Yas pls CLMBIA x ZAPATA: gg CLMBIA x ZAPATA: He's toxic and trash. The deadly combo. CLMBIA x ZAPATA: It's 4v5 CLMBIA x ZAPATA: time to ff CLMBIA x ZAPATA: Get another shitty Yasuo banned CLMBIA x ZAPATA: You toxic feeding dickhead CLMBIA x ZAPATA: No CLMBIA x ZAPATA: Yas is sitting mid CLMBIA x ZAPATA: I cant wait to see the pop-up that you got banned/suspended CLMBIA x ZAPATA: Dude knows he's getting 9 man reported and his demeanor is suddenly "WE CAN DO THIS GUYS. BELIEVE!" CLMBIA x ZAPATA: You already typed that you're inting CLMBIA x ZAPATA: You literally just told Riot to ban you CLMBIA x ZAPATA: "fuck this im inting" CLMBIA x ZAPATA: Ask anyone else CLMBIA x ZAPATA: Enjoy the ban Yas CLMBIA x ZAPATA: Go play another game CLMBIA x ZAPATA: 9 man report is coming

So, the joke was on me, right? I will 100% admit that my actions were inappropriate. But the fact that this community has placed an emphasis on punishing "mean guy hurt my feelings" over "cry baby is ruining the game for 9 other people" in a competitive gaming scene, is laughable to me.

I'll take my permaban. I don't think it's warranted. At all. A one game outburst where the worst thing I called him was a "dickhead" and he will get off without any punishment. Does that sound right to you guys? Maybe it's just me who's perturbed by this.

I'm sure I'll get the usual "it's your own fault" posts, it's just sad that we've gotten so used to this way of thinking.

17 Comments

RiotRiot Tantram22 votes

Riot Games have created a delicately fragile environment with some absolutely absurd standards and priorities.

I've played sports my entire life, and still do. If I'm playing a pick-up game of hockey, I'm sure as hell going to be asked to leave and not return with an attitude like yours. It has nothing to do with a 'fragile environment'.

I have just recently discovered that I have been permabanned for a single incident that happened earlier today. One game.

No, you were perma-banned because you've had 6 previous penalties, and didn't listen or believe the seriousness of their warnings. The last time you were penalized, which wasn't too long ago, you were told the next time would be a perma-ban. Well, it's the next time.

I will 100% admit that my actions were inappropriate.

I don't really know what the issue is here. You admitted you were in the wrong. You were told the next penalty would come to this.

don't think it's warranted. At all. A one game outburst [...]

It wasn't a one game outburst. This is common behavior for you.

But the fact that this community has placed an emphasis on punishing "mean guy hurt my feelings" over "cry baby is ruining the game for 9 other people" in a competitive gaming scene, is laughable to me.

There is no emphasis. People that ruin games are penalized. Ruining games can be done by trolling, intentional feeding, or harassment. Tell me how it creates a gaming experience that you enjoy and want to return to when players say things similar to what you said?

it's just sad that we've gotten so used to this way of thinking.

Are you advocating that the community en-mass should change into a pile of trolls? It's the community that sets the standards. I think you're going to have a hard sell convincing the player-base that they must put up with harassment while they are playing a video game.

The title of your post was related to the behavior systems being broken. How would you suggest they be changed?

As expected, this forum is filled with nothing but Riot Games yes-men who can't think logically.

It's actually the opposite. Our behavior systems and norms and created/informed by the community. We simply enforce what the playerbase has taught our systems. For example, in Korea 'your mom' jokes are extremely bad, where in the U.S. it's just a joke. So these people on the forums are sharing THEIR opinions. They are not spouting off a stance Riot has created.

Zelorxon2 votes

It's actually the opposite. Our behavior systems and norms and created/informed by the community. We simply enforce what the playerbase has taught our systems. For example, in Korea 'your mom' jokes are extremely bad, where in the U.S. it's just a joke. So these people on the forums are sharing THEIR opinions. They are not spouting off a stance Riot has created.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

So are your mom jokes ban worthy in Korea? What other taboos differ between regions?

yuo1k1 votes

ye but riot korea doesnt care about toxicty, all roit kr wants is money, unlike riot who does an amazing job of maintaining great conditions

ModAcademy Kayn7 votes

Damn, did someone turn the oven on to 300 degrees and leave meat in for 3 hours?

Because that was a thorough roast.

Angrychickén4 votes

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Kei1433 votes

So, the joke was on me, right?

Probably not a joke, but it is on you.

I will 100% admit that my actions were inappropriate.

I'll take my permaban. I don't think it's warranted. At all. A one game outburst where the worst thing I called him was a "dickhead"

Then accept your punishment like a man. especially if you were warned in your 14-day ban that your next punishment is a permaban.

the fact that this community has placed an emphasis on punishing "mean guy hurt my feelings" over "cry baby is ruining the game for 9 other people" in a competitive gaming scene, is laughable to me.

he will get off without any punishment

There's no special emphasis here. You are punished for your actions, he will be punished for his.

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean the system isn't working.

Colgate Gator3 votes

You seem like an enjoyable person to play with.

Jo0o2 votes

Did you recently have a 14-day ban?

This surely isn't cause for an instant-perma, but it IS toxic behavior, and the punishment system operates on tiers. If you were already on the 14-day ban tier, then your next punishment would be a perma (I'm pretty sure they say as much on the reform card?), and this log certainly could trigger a punishment. For somebody without prior offenses, it would have just been a 10-game chat restriction.

FurriesAreHot1 votes

Are consistently harassed the yasuo during that game

CLMBIA x ZAPATA1 votes

As expected, this forum is filled with nothing but Riot Games yes-men who can't think logically.

Unlucky.

ModPrandine3 votes

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As expected, this forum is filled with nothing but Riot Games yes-men who can't think logically.

Unlucky.

It's not that people are "Riot Games yes-men who can't think logically", but you should ask yourself is the behavior shown in your chat logs in anyway acceptable or needed? If you ask me that answer is no. Also, I can't help but think that your attitude and behavior towards him helped push him towards the decision to intentionally feed that game since you do nothing but harass him after that.

P.S. You need to show your chat logs in their entirety, not just a snippet of what happened. This will help give you a more fair and accurate review of your case.

CLMBIA x ZAPATA1 votes

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It's not that people are "Riot Games yes-men who can't think logically", but you should ask yourself is the behavior shown in your chat logs in anyway acceptable or needed? If you ask me that answer is no. Also, I can't help but think that your attitude and behavior towards him helped push him towards the decision to intentionally feed that game since you do nothing but harass him after that.

P.S. You need to show your chat logs in their entirety, not just a snippet of what happened. This will help give you a more fair and accurate review of your case.

I've already admitted my actions were in the wrong. I just find it absolutely hilarious and damning to this community that more emphasis is placed on punishing people for responding negatively to someone ruining a game as opposed to the person who actually goes out of their way to ruin the game.

I hadn't used the chat function prior to him going off in-chat saying that he was going to intentionally feed. This is everything. It's unfortunate that I don't have access to the other user's log or even my own teammates (who acted just as I did). The fact that Riot can just willy-nilly permaban an account for something like this is unacceptable to me as a consumer. This community is filled with prepubescent wall-flowers where words heavily outweigh actions.

EvilDustMan2 votes

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I've already admitted my actions were in the wrong. I just find it absolutely hilarious and damning to this community that more emphasis is placed on punishing people for responding negatively to someone ruining a game as opposed to the person who actually goes out of their way to ruin the game.

I hadn't used the chat function prior to him going off in-chat saying that he was going to intentionally feed. This is everything. It's unfortunate that I don't have access to the other user's log or even my own teammates (who acted just as I did). The fact that Riot can just willy-nilly permaban an account for something like this is unacceptable to me as a consumer. This community is filled with prepubescent wall-flowers where words heavily outweigh actions.

There is no emphasis. They did IFS first while Lyte was here, and they are constantly tuning feeder buster.

ModPrandine2 votes

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I've already admitted my actions were in the wrong. I just find it absolutely hilarious and damning to this community that more emphasis is placed on punishing people for responding negatively to someone ruining a game as opposed to the person who actually goes out of their way to ruin the game.

It's not that Riot doesn't ban gameplay trolls (they do), it's that gameplay trolls are more harder to track and pin down efficiently as simple chat-based offenses. This is because Riot has to be sure the person in question is actually trying to troll and ruin the game via gameplay offenses and not just having a bad game or two. Not only that but more often than not the banned gameplay trolls often already know why they got busted and as such are much less likely to complain on the forums about their ban.

In case you don't believe me here are two examples of gameplay trolls being banned. Yes it's just two examples, but it proves that they do get punished.

I hadn't used the chat function prior to him going off in-chat saying that he was going to intentionally feed. This is everything. It's unfortunate that I don't have access to the other user's log or even my own teammates (who acted just as I did). The fact that Riot can just willy-nilly permaban an account for something like this is unacceptable to me as a consumer. This community is filled with prepubescent wall-flowers where words heavily outweigh actions.

Here's the thing though:

  1. You are judged based on your actions alone because at the end of the day it is your actions that caused you to get punished. Others are judged on their actions alone as well, so it's fair for all. This is also why Reform Cards only show the defendants chat, to encourage them to focus on their behavior instead of on others.
  2. Riot doesn't just willy-nilly permaban for any little offense. They can, but they don't. Under normal circumstances you have to receive at least 35 chat restriction games+a 2 week ban and still show no significant changes in behavior in order to get permabanned for chat-related offenses, with extreme chat-related offenses escalating to 2-week or permaban status. Yes at 2-week ban status any little offense can result in a permaban but at that point you're already on thin ice and should really be careful about what you say or do to avoid that from happening. If you don't and continue to act up then you can expect to be permabanned for proving to Riot that you have no real desire to interact with others in a mature and respectful manner.
Dreampod1 votes

[{quoted}](name=CLMBIA x ZAPATA,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=RUEAsZIM,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2017-05-25T20:01:28.861+0000)The fact that Riot can just willy-nilly permaban an account for something like this is unacceptable to me as a consumer. This community is filled with prepubescent wall-flowers where words heavily outweigh actions.

I'm glad to hear that this is unacceptable to you as a consumer. Please take your business elsewhere, as this community would much prefer playing with decent human beings.

Regards, Your local 35 year old father of two prepubescent wall-flower

YerroFever1 votes

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I will 100% admit that my actions were inappropriate.

You recognized it and that's super important. You can't control others but you can control yourself and that's all you can do.

You're responsible for your own behavior however just because you were punished does not mean the other person was not punished as well.

You don't know and you really don't have any right to know so just focus on your own behavior.

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