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Is this seriously ban worthy?

Yässüø··1 votes·832 views

Hey everyone. Today i got permanently banned cause i was having a bad game ( 2 bad games and one where i tried alistar jungle which...wasn't really accepted among the allied team ) where i played zed mid and cause my viktor went bot literally lane ganking, while my botlane was trying to fight them 3v2 and after they'd die they would flame me about not coming even tho they could've easily just ran away and recall or stay under the tower if no potentional dive was incoming, while i was trying to push the wave into their mid tower afterwards i would roam botlane to help them out, obviously. My toplane Vel'Koz, jungle Kha Zix and Varus ADC flamed me the entire game for having a bad game. So here's the chat log cause i got banned for toxicity by the automatized IRF system: Game 1 Yässüø: kha afk Yässüø: he lane ganked Yässüø: recall Yässüø: nah Yässüø: they are just bad Yässüø: no dude stay with no mana and no hp Yässüø: he's just bad Yässüø: and he's gold, on top of that Yässüø: muted Yässüø: fucking afk Yässüø: 4 men standing mid not a single one sees you a meter away Yässüø: holy mother of fucks. Yässüø: i had when you entered the bush Yässüø: they were all a meter away Yässüø: but i guess nobody uses eyeballs here Yässüø: is gonna report the entire team for flaming Yässüø: yeah Yässüø: kha zix that doesn't gank at level 3 while viktor threw both summs and is under my own tower Yässüø: but then he writes capsed "THIS ZED" Yässüø: congrats Yässüø: and the whole team is gonna be reported for it Yässüø: simple Yässüø: yeah Yässüø: you asre Yässüø: flaming is wrong Yässüø: so yeah Yässüø: 4 of you are doing wrong Yässüø: you just said you did rofl Yässüø: "the whole team flame the same person" means you flame me as well Yässüø: cause everything i do is bad for any of you Yässüø: so why should i bother Yässüø: besides Yässüø: none of you knows how to play a macro game Yässüø: 3/6 statik shiv infinity varus Yässüø: omegalul Yässüø: 3v1 got double, but i guess that's bad as welll Yässüø: thresh and kha in the backline with vel koz doing absolutely nothing Yässüø: but hey zed's a noob Yässüø: this sounds like a highschool teenage threats Yässüø: get me out Yässüø: um Yässüø: dude Yässüø: you do realize Yässüø: he has ult Yässüø: ? Yässüø: why the fuck would u fight him thne Yässüø: then* Yässüø: there was no reason for you to die there Yässüø: not the first he lost, what's the matter? Yässüø: hey that's not broken! Yässüø: are you Yässüø: for real Yässüø: gonna say zed said Yässüø: after a stopwatch release Yässüø: and zed nerfs Yässüø: are you Yässüø: legitimately Yässüø: serious Yässüø: LMFAO Yässüø: you done? Yässüø: you're 6/10, got worse score than i do Yässüø: worse cs than i do Yässüø: and you just keep talking Yässüø: and being negative Yässüø: right Yässüø: hey guys in case you didn't know Yässüø: varus's 6/10 is because of me Yässüø: at least that's what he said so you should know Game 2 Yässüø: wow that zac chroma Yässüø: interesting color Yässüø: what Yässüø: wasn't that skin way more Yässüø: like Yässüø: light blue-ish? Yässüø: i think it was, that's why i said chroma Yässüø: of course Yässüø: that works Yässüø: why wouldn't you be damaging me while my E is on? Yässüø: your W damaged me while i was in counter strike. Yässüø: what? Yässüø: i literally used it when you W'ed Yässüø: top's lost Yässüø: top's open as far as my concern Yässüø: 2 min ff Yässüø: can you just surrender? Yässüø: game's over Yässüø: was since zac queued for jungle Yässüø: garbage Yässüø: go Yässüø: baron Yässüø: GO FUCKING BARON Yässüø: ? Yässüø: ping one more time Yässüø: im afk Yässüø: got that? goodo Yässüø: You know what's sad here Yässüø: That you blame me for losing Yässüø: while you Yässüø: totally intentionally Yässüø: go fight them Yässüø: while they have baron buff Yässüø: lmfao Game 3 Yässüø: That's sasd Yässüø: sad* Yässüø: having 1m points on someone while being gold / plat OMEGALUL Yässüø: besides Yässüø: i've played shaco top on my main against #31th Tryndamere in the world with 1.7m points on trynda Yässüø: and i won against him Yässüø: cause im a god Yässüø: coem to me Yässüø: that was a questonable flash darius Yässüø: you literally Yässüø: every single one of you Yässüø: over extend Yässüø: for a fuck tone Yässüø: like Yässüø: no vision Yässüø: nothing Yässüø: and then you blame me for my pickj Yässüø: cause you can't comperhend Yässüø: a laning phase Yässüø: amazing Yässüø: nope, forefit the game on fifteen Yässüø: cause you can't win a laning phase Yässüø: that's cool Yässüø: Yeah yeah Yässüø: Hey let's report jungler cause we can't do a normal laning phase without fighting the enemy team Yässüø: yeah that "normal" was before you gave lee sin a fucking pentakill almost. Yässüø: Report botlane for flaming Yässüø: thanks Yässüø: both of them Yässüø: yeah. You're flaming. That's reportable Yässüø: no, its being negative. And that's reportable as well. Yässüø: no one cares what i play Yässüø: you're flaming

Do you think this is worthy of a permanent ban? or any sort of ban in general? And please, if you're just gonna write "Yasuo players..." bla bla bla they are toxic yeah i don't care. You can save that stereotype for yourself, i want a genuine opinion on this issue. EDIT: I can explain the stuff i wrote if something's not understandable which is easy to be since this is not a chat log of the entire team, but just me

49 Comments

This Is Your Dad3 votes

Damn I was about to make a Yasuo joke but you done spoiled it.

Yässüø: fucking afk Yässüø: is gonna report the entire team for flaming Yässüø: top's open as far as my concern Yässüø: 2 min ff Yässüø: can you just surrender? Yässüø: game's over Yässüø: was since zac queued for jungle Yässüø: ping one more time Yässüø: im afk Yässüø: cause you can't win a laning phase Yässüø: Report botlane for flaming

Basically you call for reports, threaten to afk and harass your team. In fact, you spent the last three games harassing your teammates in an extreme volume. Chat isn't measured by the severity of a single offense, but by the severity and quantity of all offenses together. In other words, you were less offensive than someone using hate speech but you were offensive so much longer than those people and it seems like you are the center of disaster in all three games.

Yässüø1 votes

So, i can explain the chat here First, the "fucking afk" and "is gonna report the entire team for flaming" is two things i wrote "fucking afk" when i pinged kha zix to come asap since vik has no summs and he's under my tower on level 3, which was basically more than a free kill, it was a moving target. "is gonna report the entire team for flaming" is a reply to kha zix that was flaming me since minute 5 where he said "THIS ZED" so i just replied with the message up there "top's open as far as my concern" and "2 min ff" was, i admit, negative, it was due to the fact that i was tilted since i recieved 5 ganks on toplane in 6 minutes by their jungle and mid ( got doved ) while my zac was refusing to gank top, but i didn't open top, nor called for surrender vote on fifteen, i continued with splitpush and hopefully get some cs so i can get some items ( was jax top, so i need a lot of gold for his itemization ) game's over and "was since zac queued for jungle" was, i do say myself, toxic, i have nothing to say on that, that was toxic by my side "ping one more time" and "im afk" was me being EXTREMELY frustrated after botlane spamming literally fifty question mark pings on me wherever i go whatever i do, so you do have to admit that it can piss you off in a second, and i really needed it to stop so i can try and focus on the game, and that was the fastest way to do it ( i dont mute pings, cause sometimes they can ping a valuable thing for me such as danger so i know i should run ) "Cause you can't win a laning phase" was a reply to my adc after he said "report Jax for inting", which i obviously wasn't doing since i was doing my best to split push and make their team come for me so my team can get baron for a trade of it which would've been huge and impactful for us in the game and "report botlane for flaming" is, well, i don't know what's toxic in that? It's just a request to report botlane for being toxic?

This Is Your Dad1 votes

Requesting reports is a form of bullying, since reports aren't measured by quantity, but by quality. It is not necessary to ask for reports, and so Riot has decided that by asking for reports, you are further escalating the problem rather than helping it.

I'm the first to admit I am not a very happy person in some games. I get grumpy and mad just like everyone else.

That's why I indicated quantity. You spent too much of your time being negative. Usually when I get upset it's over a single bad game and then I calm down before playing another. If you stack bad games on top of each other you'll lose track of how negative you have been, trapped within the confines of your own fabricated reality, a distorted view favoring your animosity towards the nature of man.

Yässüø1 votes

Can't agree with you in the requesting the report part. Asking from the enemy team to report the toxic people in your team is quite reasonable in my opinion, cause some day they might get in the same team with the guys i request a report for, and they might get the same experience as i did. So asking for a report for people that are clearly toxic is not bullying, not even in a slightest. It's a request so the community can get rid of these players and hopefully never see them again.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

It's actually entirely unnecessary. Having more than one report does not increase the report weight, or have any effect at all upon the system. All reports are reviewed equally.

From Riot Tantram

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Reports haven't lost weight since the instant feedback system was put in place.

It's actually really simple.

if (reports > 0) { review(); }

That is the actual coding of the Instant Feedback System. Tantram wrote it. So, there is absolutely no reason to request extra reports. Your report causes the system to review the match. Additional reports for the match won't cause it to be reviewed again. And when players threaten other players with reporting multiple times across the duration of a match, it does become a form of harassment and bullying. Riot themselves has defined it as such, and while it is generally not going to be the sole reason for a player's punishment, it can contribute if there is additional toxicity present.

Yässüø1 votes

That's what i don't understand. Saying "report botlane" for example, in the all chat, is going to get you banned but that same botlane continiously telling you that you're garbage/bad/noob/retard is not gonna get them jack shit. Great system.

OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votes

Saying that by itself won't get you banned, unless you say it ALOT, like 10+ times. And the biggest reason that the same botlane doesn't get punished is that they aren't reported. So many of these posts are filled with rants against toxic teammates, and then one little line of "but I didn't report them because..." is thrown in. Well, that's why they don't get punished. The only way they will get punished is if you, and everyone who has to deal with them, reports them.

Yässüø1 votes

I always report every single person that deserves it. No exceptions. Never.

Innuendothermic2 votes

It doesn't actually matter that you don't agree with them. They're telling you how Riot views calling for/announcing reports in chat. Since you are using their game, they make the rules. If you're going to report someone just report them, no need to announce or ask for additional reports. If they get just one report it triggers a review just the same as if 9 people report.

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

When was your 14 day ban?

Yässüø1 votes

3 months i think

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

How often do you play?

Yässüø1 votes

every day? i guess?

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Sorry, they are helpful questions.

So my theory is during the 3 month period, you didn't show enough positive/neutral change to warrant a drop in the punishment tiers. What that means is the next time a punishment would be warranted, it would result in a perm ban.

So in your case, these logs would probably warrant only a chat restriction, and the fact you got 3 is actually a good thing. The fact you got 3 show you weren't excessively negative in a game but just negative enough over multiple games to trigger something.

I'm sorry I cannot bear better information.

You can try submitting a support ticket and inquiring about your 3 months with daily games. Maybe if close enough to dropping a tier they will do it now to a 14 day. It is unlikely but I wish you luck if you try this.

If you make a new account, I'm certain you will learn and be even better. I believe in you.

Hope you have a good day.

Yässüø1 votes

I did that, the ticket thing. And i told the other guy above you so i'll repeat it just. There are a lot of of players that enjoyed playing by my side and a lot of people honored me ( i was the most honorable guy in 10-15 games ) and when you just get 3 extremely toxic and negative people in your team that are just ready to do anything in their power to make you tilt or abuse you until the end of the game, there's not much you can do in the game, you must agree.

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Yässüø1 votes

But you know, the issue here is that i've been actually honored a lot of times by other non-premade players that enjoyed playing with me, and since i had a bad game, that doesn't mean you should intentionally tilt someone to the point where they just end up losing their thoughts and their mind.

Mordius2 votes

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that doesn't mean you should intentionally tilt someone to the point where they just end up losing their thoughts and their mind

No one has control over YOUR actions except YOU.

Yässüø1 votes

Are you sure? Let's make an example. Imagine your parents being dead, and you came across some asshole on the street that came up to you and started saying some really offensive shit to you about your parents. Imagine them saying that your dad was a thief and your mom was a whore. Would you be calm and be like nothing's happening? You are just right for a half way. You have control over your actions, but those actions are being triggered by someone or something else.

Mordius3 votes

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Are you sure? Let's make an example. Imagine your parents being dead, and you came across some asshole on the street that came up to you and started saying some really offensive shit to you about your parents. Imagine them saying that your dad was a thief and your mom was a whore. Would you be calm and be like nothing's happening? You are just right for a half way. You have control over your actions, but those actions are being triggered by someone or something else.

Yes, I would be calm, because I am in control of myself. And why would I care what a stranger says about my parents whom they have never met? If you think what other people say somehow justifies your behavior, you need to seek therapy and gain some control over yourself.

Yässüø

You're making it literally like you don't care about anything that is being said to you, and you are wrong, highly wrong in that part. I don't say that other people's words justify anything, i am saying that their comments can influence on a person.

Paintchip1 votes

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You're making it literally like you don't care about anything that is being said to you, and you are wrong, highly wrong in that part. I don't say that other people's words justify anything, i am saying that their comments can influence on a person.

Dude. You really don’t know? All the people responding are trolls man, they are just taunting you to try and get a rise. Including the moderator. No matter the scenareo, no matter what you say, they will say the same thing over and over. They troll in here, to compensate for any lack in the game.

Riot is ran by sjws bro. Tou are more likely to talk sense to a wall.

Yässüø1 votes

Yeah. True. Experienced it a couple of times

SoloMordeOnly1 votes

I'm not saying I agree with OP but wth is wrong with you if you would stay calm while someone says shit about your freshly deceased parents. The natural human response is to beat the shit out of them.

Mordius6 votes

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I'm not saying I agree with OP but wth is wrong with you if you would stay calm while someone says shit about your freshly deceased parents. The natural human response is to beat the shit out of them.

And in that scenario the only one going to jail would be you. I fear for the future if this basic principle isn't being taught to kids today.

Chermorg3 votes

No, I'm sorry, the natural human response is to leave the situation when it's possible.

Fighting is not the answer unless your life is in danger. Active threat responses in order of desirability: Run, Hide, Fight - and you only do the last one if the first two are absolutely not workable.

Yässüø1 votes

You suggest i should leave the game if i get flamed by a teenager saying "get cancer"? Lol

Umbral Regent3 votes

I'm not saying I agree with OP but wth is wrong with you if you would stay calm while someone says shit about your freshly deceased parents. The natural human response is to beat the shit out of them. - SoloMordeOnly

No, I'm sorry, the natural human response is to leave the situation when it's possible.

Fighting is not the answer unless your life is in danger. Active threat responses in order of desirability: Run, Hide, Fight - and you only do the last one if the first two are absolutely not workable. - Chermorg, in response to SoloMordeOnly

Pretty sure the context here is out-of-game. Then again, I'm also pretty sure that you're deliberately trying to take things out of context.

If you get flamed by anyone, you mute them. Flaming them back is only going to wind up with you getting punished, and leaving the game is also a fast path to a punishment.

Chermorg5 votes

No, I am suggesting you mute. In League, Leaving is not an option (not without punishment). Thus the next response is "hide" - which means to mute them and report them.

Yässüø1 votes

Why is trashtalking in league worthy of perma ban? Just permanently disable their chat and that's all, problem solved. For afking and inting, perma ban is alright, but for trashtalking in a video game to an absolutely random person is gonna result in perma ban?

Paintchip1 votes

Wrong

Humans have fight or flight predispositions. Don’t assume that just because you run away all the time means that everyone else is wired the same.

swordofsun1 votes

Actually it's Fight, Flight, Freeze, and Appease. Hide can be considered part of Flight or separate.

Personally my response is to freeze, I just lock up and shut down. With more than a hint of appeasement if it's a situation I'm forced to be in consistently.

Of course this is very simplistic. Flight doesn't necessarily mean turning around and running after all, just like fight doesn't necessarily mean putting up your fists. There are different ways to do each.

OnlyYouCanHearMe3 votes

Most likely you did not work yourself back into a lower punishment tier. Having just come off a recent 14 day suspension, then yes, these logs would be considered permaban worthy. At that stage, ANY further rule breaking will result in a permanent suspension of the account. Consistent arguing and insulting your teammates, as well as threatening them with reports is sufficient to be permabanned. And I know that 3 months seems like a long time, but if you are being reported during that time, even if it's not enough to get you punished, it does slow your progress of moving into a lower punishment tier. It can take anywhere from 3 months to 9 months or even a year for a player who is at the 14 day suspension tier to drop down to the punishment tier where they will be punished with another 14 day suspension instead of a permaban on their next punishment.

Yässüø1 votes

Most likely there is no chance for anyone to "work their way back into lower punishment tier" when you have at least one toxic person per game, and that's if you are lucky.

OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votes

There is always a chance if you do not respond to their toxicity with toxicity of your own.

Yässüø1 votes

I just don't find "report botlane for flaming" or "yeah four of you are flaming so four of you are doing wrong" as something that's toxic.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

If you only say it once, it's not. It's just stating a fact, or asking for a favor from the enemy team. But when you say it all game long, or for even half of the game it becomes toxic.

I know that you didn't know about the report system before, but now you know that it only takes one report to trigger a review. Anytime someone asks for reports multiple times, it's like listening to a small, overweight child who is making a face with their thumbs in their ears and their fingers flapping like moose antlers. In between taunts they stick their tongue out and wiggle around in a tiny dance that only makes sense to them. And then, just when you think it can't get any weirder, it opens it's mouth and blurts out "I'm gooooonna repooooooort you!" And it says it again, and again, in a sing-song voice that somehow manages to capture nasal and nails on a chalkboard.

There really is no difference in people who threaten others with reports and kindergarten bullies.

Yässüø1 votes

I just feel like you get banned more often if you make a constructive message to your team rather than when your team writes "champion_name retard?". This game and its automatized banning system is just terrible.

Coopa1232 votes

How you can look at that massive wall of text filled with crying, report-calling, arguing and complaining and think the ban is not deserved is just baffling to me.

At this point you're just denying reality. It's really sad

Yässüø1 votes

Firstly, there is no crying. Basic facts. You flame me - you get reported I wasn't familiar with the code some guy above said with report<0 goes to review, so i asked for reports from the opposite team. From when is arguing flaming? Having an argument with somebody in league of legends is instantly considered flaming by default? Complaining? Yeah sorry I don't find it enjoyable to get flamed by every single person in my team while they are being worse than i am, also by massive bugs in the game that lasts in the game for so long that it gets frustrating.

Coopa1231 votes

Having an argument with somebody in league of legends is instantly considered flaming by default?

Not only is having an argument in the middle of the game absolutely pointless, it's also concidered negative behaviour.

Complaining? Yeah sorry I don't find it enjoyable to get flamed by every single person in my team while they are being worse than i am

Then you mute them. You don't flame back. You don't bitch about your teammates in all chat. You don't cry for reports. You're supposed to use the mute function.

Please explain why you're not muting flaming teammates if you can't handle flaming teammates.

also by massive bugs in the game that lasts in the game for so long that it gets frustrating.

So what. None of the reasons you give for why you were toxic are actually a justification for being toxic. Fine, you had your reasons why you were negative. They don't excuse your behaviour. Now deal with the consequences

Yässüø1 votes

So what. None of the reasons you give for why you were toxic are actually a justification for being toxic. Fine, you had your reasons why you were negative. They don't excuse your behaviour. Now deal with the consequences That bug thing was for Jax's E that doesn't dodge stuff for a few seasons by now and they have no intentions in fixing it. That wasn't toxic. Unless you find "yeah, that can hit while my E is up" toxic, then yeah, 100% toxic I didn't bitch in the all chat, i asked for the enemy team to report them for toxicity ( i wasn't familiar with the coding of reports that one guy above explained where it needs just one report in order for a review to be engaged ) Please explain why you're not muting flaming teammates if you can't handle flaming teammates. I don't have that habit of muting anyone, i got annoyed, i already said, i admit, that was my fault Not only is having an argument in the middle of the game absolutely pointless, it's also concidered negative behaviour. If having an argument with Urgot about how he can deal me damage with his W while my counter strike is up ( potentionally getting knowledge that perhaps he CAN damage me with it even tho my E is up and running ) is considered flaming / negative behaviour, then alright, i was definitely toxic there.

EvilDustMan1 votes

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I just feel like you get banned more often if you make a constructive message to your team rather than when your team writes "champion_name retard?". This game and its automatized banning system is just terrible.

That was what you think constructive is?

Yässüø1 votes

Maybe i didn't expressed myself well. Making a constructive message where you have decent grammar and actual english knowledge is gonna get you banned unlikely of when a dude writes for example "Zed retard?"

saltran1 votes

Yes.

Player 1641 votes

As a player who has been banned, when you hit your 2 week suspension, you are on EXTREMELY thin Ice. At that point, no joke, you must seriously MUTE ALL for the next few months, don't type (unless you're playing with friends), and just Ping and play. Literally. You are not like another league player, you are now someone who is only a few reports away from a permanent ban. Getting honored has no bearing on reports, it means nothing. Take this in mind on your future account and reform.

Yässüø1 votes

I think i'll pass. This game is going to hell anyways but i ain't going with it.

Coopa1231 votes

This game is going to hell anyways but i ain't going with it.

Thanks for improving the community. Cheers

Paintchip1 votes

I bet this guy doesn’t make a new account and troll. Ban first and think never strat strikes again.

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