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RECEIVED 14 DAY BAN FOR NO REASON

Blazin Jayz··3 votes·1,962 views

Here is what happened. The automatic ban system or whatever it's called banned me for typing "kys" in the post-game chat. In my defense, that was an inside joke between me and my friend referring to when I was banned a year ago on my main account, and everyone had left already when I typed "kys". I was frustrated because we had a toxic player on our team who sat in the fountain at 4mins and kept being negative throughout the whole game. I was try harding that game even though it was an URF game that we won 4v5. Out of frustration and as a joke between my friend and I, I just typed "**** **** kys" in the post-game chat when EVERYONE had left the lobby. I know the repercussions of telling something to "kys" so I wouldn't dare telling any player to do so. I don't want to lose my honor level because of this mistake, I had 0 intention of actually flaming another player.

And before you say anything about my username... It's just a joke.

It took support 3 days to reply to my ticket, and I am pretty sure he/she did not read my ticket thoroughly because he/she said that telling players to kill themselves is not tolerated, but I never actually told anyone to kill themselves. I replied to his/her reply and I don't want to wait another 4 days for an answer, especially when I don't deserve to be banned.

This is not cool, and makes me think that Riot Games doesn't care about the community. You're just going to punish me for a joke that was never meant to target anyone in specific? My honor, my rewards are going to be disabled because of this stupid mistake on Riot's autoban system?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

46 Comments

Umbral Regent9 votes

RECEIVED 14 DAY BAN FOR NO REASON

Here is what happened. The automatic ban system or whatever it's called banned me for typing "kys" in the post-game chat.

Why lie in the title if you're just going to give the truth in the body of the post? You were banned for typing KYS. That's not "no reason".

Blazin Jayz2 votes

But nobody was in the lobby, it was a joke and I wasn't targeting anyone...

Would it have been okay if I had typed it in chat with my friend?

R1kSen3 votes

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But nobody was in the lobby, it was a joke and I wasn't targeting anyone...

Would it have been okay if I had typed it in chat with my friend?

First of all, you propably got reported for having an innapropriate name which contributed to the banning system. When the banning system detects your "kys" and your reports for your name I believe it is pretty natural it banned you. Here is what you can do. Change your name cause you can be banned for it and never EVER flame. Otherwise you gonna get perma banned and whine about it in boards just like you did now :)

Blazin Jayz1 votes

Change my name? I don't even know how to do that. You gonna give me RP to change my name or something?

R1kSen1 votes

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Change my name? I don't even know how to do that. You gonna give me RP to change my name or something?

No need to send you RP, it just takes 13k BE :) If you get banned for innapropriate name you won't have an excuse for it.

Sona Ping1 votes

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First of all, you propably got reported for having an innapropriate name which contributed to the banning system. When the banning system detects your "kys" and your reports for your name I believe it is pretty natural it banned you. Here is what you can do. Change your name cause you can be banned for it and never EVER flame. Otherwise you gonna get perma banned and whine about it in boards just like you did now :)

The system has not been said to work the way you described it and you do not know the reason why whoever reported him did so.

Blazin Jayz1 votes

I did not get reported by anyone. I know that because the ban came through as soon as I exited the lobby myself. I received a message that a player who I had reported got punished, closed that window, then another window popped up telling me that I got banned.

Silent Gravity2 votes

The IFS is fairly quick.

You know this since you received a pop-up about your own report first.

Umbral Regent6 votes

But nobody was in the lobby...

It doesn't matter if everyone but you were gone. That's still unacceptable behavior.

...it was a joke...

Suicide is not a joke.

Would it have been okay if I had typed it in chat with my friend?

If by that you mean through Direct Messages - yes. As far as I know, DMs are generally unmonitored channels and, while I could be wrong, Riot doesn't concern themselves much with private chats like that due to the fact that getting into said chats is an act of volition - the person has to be your friend in order to do it, etc.

And, of course, this begs a small question; "So it's okay to say it in DMs/PMs but not in post-game with no one around?" - and the answer to that is yes on both counts. In general, you should be on your best behavior in-game and in the lobbies before and after - and, even if you think everyone's gone already, there's still the odd chance that they may still be loading out of the match and back into the Client, or lingering on the Honor screen.

Blazin Jayz1 votes

Whether you think suicide is a joke or not is irrelevant to this convo. THIS is my first offense on this account.

How am I behaving bad? I already said I was 100% sure nobody else but my friend was in the lobby, hence why I said it and I did not even know Riot monitors post-game lobbies.

Umbral Regent4 votes

Whether you think suicide is a joke or not is irrelevant to this convo.

Funny, coming from someone who tried to use "it's a joke" as an argument. Is it really suddenly not relevant?

THIS is my first offense on this account.

Since it wasn't a permanent ban, I figured as much.

How am I behaving bad? I already said I was 100% sure nobody else but my friend was in the lobby, hence why I said it...

"If a tree falls in a forest with no-one around to hear it, does it still make a sound?"

Or, as would better apply here:

"If someone breaks the rules with no-one there to witness and report them, did they actually break the rules?"

The answer to both is "yes". You even said it yourself in the body of your main post:

I know the repercussions of telling something to "kys" so I wouldn't dare telling any player to do so.

If you really knew the repercussions of it, you wouldn't say it at all. You would not even humor risking it for some unfunny "joke" in the post-game lobby.

...and I did not even know Riot monitors post-game lobbies.

Ignorance of the rules is not a valid excuse for breaking them. It's on you to keep up-to-date with stuff, and besides, Riot even put it in the patch notes of a recent patch (somewhere within the 8.XX patches, I think 8.11?) that the IFS now properly displays post-game and pre-game lobby chat.

And even then, that was just the official statement that the IFS properly presents pre- and post-game lobby chats - they actually implemented it a little earlier (within a week of the patch dropping), and the IFS monitored those chats still for a while before that.

As a rule of thumb, if you don't know where the rules reach, you're better off not breaking them period. (Granted, you should generally always follow the rules, but being realistic, there are places where the rules are less present.)

Blazin Jayz2 votes

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Umbral Regent5 votes

You're still not listening. It's against the rules to flame others. I WASN'T flaming others. It wasn't targeted towards anyone. Nobody reported me, it was Riot's automatic behavior system (whatever it's called).

If nobody reported you, you would not have gotten punished. That is a simple fact. The IFS will not bother to review someone unless they've been reported - so, going in reverse order here...

You got punished, which means the IFS reviewed you and found punishable chat, which means someone reported you.

Don't try to act like the IFS just went rogue and threw a wayward ban.

Especially when (and I'm bound to repeat this ad nauseum) you knew what would happen if you got reported and punished for saying "KYS".

You're taking this too personal, did someone in your family commit suicide? Is that why you're trying so hard to tell me that suicide jokes aren't funny?

To answer your questions and arguments, in order: No, I'm not, no, they haven't, and no, it's literally that suicide jokes aren't funny.

But, nice try with implicating bias. Even if I answered "yes" to any of those, my points would be the same, and my tone just as severe.

Anyhow, you're definitely not as smart as you think you are.

Classy.

Welp, since this has gotten to the point of direct insults, I see no reason to continue with this. End of discussion.

Blazin Jayz1 votes

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Xidphel3 votes

You weren't helpful anyways

What's your goal? To get out of a ban? If support tickets don't help, the boards automatically doesn't. All he did was explain to you why you got the ban as people on this board do. You got personal.

I want you to be out of this discussion.

He was leaving anyways.

You don't listen,

Neither do you

and your judgement is clouded by your insecurity and sensitivity towards this subject.

I don't see where he showed any of those.

Blazin Jayz1 votes

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Xidphel4 votes

Nope. He did not even read my post. He just saw "kys" and immediately-

identified it as a zero-tolerance word by riot.

I'm trying to get my ticket rushed

Ain't gonna happen. You'll have to wait it out like everyone else.

If you have something helpful to say, be my guest.

Helpful in what capacity?

If you're going to white knight all the other white knights in this discussion

Is that a fancy term for "people explaining why you got punished"?

EDIT:

to see if I should keep playing this game or delete it off my PC.

No one's forcing you to keep playing. If you WANT to keep playing, wait it out. Watch out for zero-tolerance terms and, if frustrated, take a break after the game. Don't flood the chat with negativity. Few months in good standings (depending on games played) and your 14-day ban will be gone.

If you don't want to, then feel free to uninstall it if you want to. There's also an option in the support tickets to have your account deleted if you want to go the extra mile.

Again, all up to you.

Sukishoo3 votes

THIS is my first offense on this account.

No, THAT is irrelevant. All accounts are subject to skip punishment tiers depending on what was done. You said KYS, which is something that Riot has said they have zero tolerance for, so of your first punishment here is going to be a 2 week ban.

Blazin Jayz1 votes

I said KYS to no one in particular. Basically I typed it in an empty lobby.

Did you even bother reading the post?

Sukishoo3 votes

You still said it, so it makes no difference to the system.

Blazin Jayz1 votes

This is my issue here!

It doesn't make a difference to the system, but it should make a difference to the support team giving my specific context which was very clearly and thoroughly explained in my ticket.

Tahminatrix 1 votes

Sorry but the ban bots don't do context, yes you have done nothing wrong but it would take too much work for riot...the small indie dev company.... to do something about the report / punishment system.

And for now , riot doesn't really have to do anything thanks to their TOS stating that the account isn't yours and may be restricted / banned for any reason or even no reason.

Blazin Jayz2 votes

Really? They don't have to do anything because it's actually their account?

Waw, Riot really cares about its player base.

Tahminatrix 2 votes

and again im downvoted for stating the truth lol...

Kareshi1 votes

whats your discord

Sona Ping1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=R7EOLYl5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-14T20:34:35.128+0000)

Why lie in the title if you're just going to give the truth in the body of the post? You were banned for typing KYS. That's not "no reason".

That's not fair or reasonable. If a person reads his post, they understand that he is arguing for his ban not being for a valid reason.

OP may be foolish and you may disagree with him, but it is wrong to construct a semantic argument in order to accuse people of lying. Especially when the person cannot be lying, he said in the post what happened which you even acknowledged!

Umbral Regent5 votes

OP may be foolish and you may disagree with him, but it is wrong to construct a semantic argument in order to accuse people of lying.

I sense irony.

Here's the thing; if someone claims that something happened for no reason, and then in the same turn explains the exact reason that said thing happened - is the first statement not a lie?

Lie, mislead, deceive, beguile, pull the wool over your eyes - whatever term you use, that's what the title here does. It's an untrue statement, and it gets completely shattered when he actually explains the reason for his ban.

I'd argue that my only fault in this case was waiting to address the OP's arguments for his breaking the rules. My very first response concluded on a wrong assumption that my point would be understood that "KYS" should never be used and is perfectly fine grounds for punishment.

Blazin Jayz1 votes

Would you rather have me lie to Riot and tell them that It was meant to be in private with my friend? I mean I could have done that and I would have have more chances of getting unbanned. But I was honest and I told them the truth.

This is my first offense, they should give be the benefit of the doubt. If they automatically assume that everyone is a liar then what would be the point of disputing bans?

I NEVER wanted anyone to see this message but my friend, and I repeated this many times to the support person. He/she just completely ignored most of what I said.

Umbral Regent3 votes

This is my first offense, they should give be the benefit of the doubt.

It's your first offense, but it's an egregious one. One which you already stated you knew the penalty for.

What would be the point of having the zero-tolerance policy against encouragements of self-harm and hate speech if Riot gave players "benefit of the doubt"? The point of it all is that you're not supposed to say it, period. You should know you're not supposed to say it, period. You should be well aware that saying it is not welcome anywhere.

With all of those factors combined, Riot feels that a chat restriction of any sort would be too lenient. The typical first punishment is too soft for such a deplorable misuse of chat, so they issue the 14-day ban as the first punishment. No warnings needed - 'cause, again, you should already know better.

Giving players "benefit of the doubt" and letting them get their punishment reduced because "it's my first offense" would completely and utterly ruin the idea that Riot outright will not tolerate that behavior. 'Cause if you do it for even one person, you have to extend that privilege to anyone and everyone.

And then you've got people getting away with chat restrictions for hate speech and encouraging players to kill themselves.

That's not gonna fly.

If they automatically assume that everyone is a liar then what would be the point of disputing bans?

It's not that they're assuming you're a liar - in fact, outside of your misleading title, we've only reason to suspect you're being truthful. The issue is that you broke the rules - one of the rules that Riot punishes harshest for - knowing the end-result.

As I've repeated about three or four times now - they expect you to know better. You did. And then you did it anyway.

That's more damning evidence than the thread title nonsense.

Blazin Jayz1 votes

you're basically saying that telling a player KYS deserves the same punishment as typing kys in an empty lobby. Do you see the issue now?

Sona Ping2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=R7EOLYl5,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2018-07-14T21:02:31.517+0000)

I sense irony.

Here's the thing; if someone claims that something happened for no reason, and then in the same turn explains the exact reason that said thing happened - is the first statement not a lie?

Lie, mislead, deceive, beguile, pull the wool over your eyes - whatever term you use, that's what the title here does. It's an untrue statement, and it gets completely shattered when he actually explains the reason for his ban.

I'd argue that my only fault in this case was waiting to address the OP's arguments for his breaking the rules. My very first response concluded on a wrong assumption that my point would be understood that "KYS" should never be used and is perfectly fine grounds for punishment.

You sense wrongly.

You acknowledge readily and without prompt that he described the situation, that he "gave the truth" as you put it, and you state your reason for your accusation which is not grounds for intent to deceive based upon what you already said. You defended him from and discredited your own accusation!

You don't agree with him but that does not justify you accusing him of lying. I'm sure you would object to people denigrating your character based upon nothing but your word choice.

Umbral Regent4 votes

You acknowledge readily and without prompt that he described the situation, that he "gave the truth" as you put it, and you state your reason for your accusation which is not grounds for intent to deceive based upon what you already said. You defended him from and discredited your own accusation!

I suppose I'll concede that. The redundancy of my statement didn't really help my point any, as it were.

Also, if you can pardon, can I just say that the excited tone here kinda reminds me of Phoenix Wright? If there's no irony, then I think I may have sensed an "OBJECTION!".

Jokes aside;

I'm sure you would object to people denigrating your character based upon nothing but your word choice.

Whatever floats some people's boats. I'm sure I've been called needlessly severe and argumentative somewhere down the line, but, hey. They're right.

Though I should aspire to better practice, certainly.

Sona Ping1 votes

Alright. Sounds like we have come to a resolution.

######Note to self: Use more Phoenix Wright.

Blazin Jayz1 votes

Why am I getting all this hate?

I made it clear that this phrase was not meant to be seen by anyone but my friend, which should be okay because it's a joke.

I agree it was a tasteless joke, which I did mention in my support ticket, so please don't say something like suicide isn't a joke, I know it's not.

I just want to play league, I don't want to wait 14 days and lose all my honors and rewards because of this stupid mistake.

Riot should really give me the benefit of the doubt. I know my username is really hurting my chances of getting that at the moment. But I have no clue how to change it outside of the client (I'm banned, so no access to that).

Anyhow, thanks for not jumping on the bandwagon immediately.

Tahminatrix 4 votes

If we were to be logical and objective, yes there was no reason to ban him based on the context / situation.

Realistically he was banned because the bot does not know context...

Don't you dare falsely call someone a liar...

ModUlanopo9 votes

I just typed " kys" in the post-game chat when EVERYONE had left the lobby.

So, you were probing the system and found an edge case. I don't really think there's much value in working on a fix for this, as almost no one is going to try it. I also don't think you're entitled to an expedited response. You were aware what you were doing was sketchy.

And before you say anything about my username... It's just a joke.

Translation: "I'm aware my username is objectionable."

Blazin Jayz1 votes

What makes you think I was aware that what I was doing was sketchy? You're really just going to jump to the conclusion that this was my intention?

ModUlanopo4 votes

You're aware that you're not supposed to tell people to kill themselves, but you thought it was okay because no one but you could see it.

Blazin Jayz1 votes

Yes! I am aware.

I knew it was wrong, but I didn't know I would get banned for typing it in an empty lobby. I didn't know that the system automatically picks up the words "kys" and punished people randomly.

Sure, punish me, give me a chat restriction, anything but a ban that's gonna hurt my honor progress.

I made it clear to the support team that It wasn't targeted towards anyone specific.

Why would I be wasting my time here? I am just trying to play the game. I don't know if you have access to logs as an advisor, if you do I would recommend checking them out, you won't find me being particularly toxic towards anyone!

I realize now that maybe lying in the ticket would have gotten me a better response from the support team, as this is not working out at all.

Modi6 votes

I don't know if you have access to logs as an advisor, if you do I would recommend checking them out, you won't find me being particularly toxic towards anyone!

They don't have that access AFAIK.

I realize now that maybe lying in the ticket would have gotten me a better response from the support team, as this is not working out at all.

Lying to support doesn't ever help your case. Lying to anyone doesn't ever make them want to help you more, especially if they can see right through the lie.

Blazin Jayz1 votes

{quoted}

They don't have that access AFAIK.

Lying to support doesn't ever help your case. Lying to anyone doesn't ever make them want to help you more, especially if they can see right through the lie.

I mean, telling the truth obviously isn't getting me anywhere.

Shukr4n3 votes

There are traffic lights with cameras that record and fee u if u pass with red light.

It doesnt matter if there is traffic or no cars, if u pass with red in that cross of road y get a fee.

U were in a chatboard controlled bu ifs and triggered the system.

Why

HalcyonDweller3 votes

If there really wasn't anybody else in the lobby then you could try another support ticket. BE polite, persistent, and make it very clear that everyone had left. Anyway, if you're telling the truth then good luck with things, if you're not being truthful, then I'm glad the system caught you.

In the future use a private channel like discord or direct messages if you want to talk like that with a friend. There's no reason to take your chances with it. Also you could have been punished for other things that game.

Shukr4n1 votes

No

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