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permanent chat bans

DarkVanger··2 votes·1,534 views

Now we all know what perma banes are and if you don't it means your account is permanently banned so you cant play league of legends on that account forever. you may be perma banned for say trolling or cheating now for those there is nothing you can do but perma ban them but a lot of people get perma banned for toxicity and this is a problem in league of legends no one likes a toxic player on there team because it hurts teams morale it is just flat out annoying and many other reasons. so league of legends perma banes them if they keep doing it after many short term banes and warnings which is understandable but i believe there is another way to fix this problem permanently banning there chat. meaning you cannot type in the chat box forever on your league of legends account. meaning you cant be toxic because you cant talk problem solved in my opinion. i understand being toxic is terrible and should be without a doubt a bannable offence but that means all the hard work optional money spent into this account is now worthless and gone the user will either quit league or start a new account which is not very fun grinding from level 1 to 30 also doing that without a lot of your favorite champions that then must be bought with ip or rp. i understand being toxic should be something you get banned for but why not just remove there chatting privileges this means they cant talk or be toxic without you removing there account and taking away all the hard work and optional money they put into the account again i am not saying being toxic is something that should be allowed i'm saying being perma banned for this is something that can be avoided not only by just not being toxic but taking away there chat privileges which is sure something a lot of players will prefer over being perma banned without a doubt solving all the problems with toxic perma banes in my opinion.

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Hunts and Dips4 votes

People should have considered the possible consequences for their actions before they made them.

Some people just aren't cut out for a team oriented environment which is why they are permabanned.

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Backess1 votes

I agree with you, but then they are just gonna create a new account and be toxic there anyways, and that's the real problem. By letting them play without chat only, it would remove their negative effects on the community while preventing them from creating new accounts since they already spent time and money there ;)

Hunts and Dips2 votes

No, the problem is they won't ever reform so the only solution is to continue banning their accounts.

Removing chat will just let them continue being toxic in other ways until they are banned anyways.

Not many people are going to have the patience to level up multiple accounts just so they can be a super dickhead.

DarkVanger1 votes

Yes i completely understand that and that is true but why not just remove chat privileges completely there is no downside to this other then you cant talk in chat obviously and that's why there are smart pings and i'm sure so many people would rather a teammate not be able to talk in chat and only using smart pings then him being toxic as hell and i'm sure the person getting there chat privileges removes would prefer that then being perma banned. there is a downside to perma banes but there is NO downside to removing chat privileges Completely and forever other then they cant chat and again that's why there are smart pings i rarely talk to my team in chat to communicate ideas with then i usually just use smart pings and they usually understand what i'm trying to say using those smart pings.

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

It's been proven that giving players (effectively) permanent chat restrictions does not work, because they simply transfer their toxicity in to their gameplay instead until they get permabanned anyway. They tried it, and it simply is ineffective.

edit: highlighted "effectively" cuz you missed it

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/f/cIfEodbz/d/45xUUKxk?comment=000400000001

DarkVanger1 votes

Riot game has never had permanent chat bans they have restricted players chat for a certain amount of games making it so they can only talk every 4 minutes but that still gives you the option to be toxic and after the certain amount of games has been played you can be even more toxic this is why permanent chat banes removes any way at all of being toxic. and your saying they will transfer there toxicity into there game play as in trolling then yes they should be perma banned if they start to troll after getting there chat privileges permanently removed.

Bettnachleger1 votes

If I'm a asshole and they take the possibility to flame my mates if they do bad, thanks to a perma chat ban ... I guess I would go for some kind of intentionally feed if im pissed.(or what ever)

DarkVanger1 votes

So were saying if they feed troll or afk after they get a perma chat ban then of course perma ban them because u cant fix trolling without a perma ban but toxicity you can by removing chat if they feed troll or afk after the perma chat ban then perma ban then like we said of course

Bettnachleger1 votes

Cool, but until he received the perma ban, he is able to ruin alot of games ... Btw. I don't want to play with a person who can't respond to what im saying. I prefer a person without a penalty. And the idiots (who arn't able to behave like a normal humang being) would take the slots for non toxic players away if im matched with them.

DarkVanger1 votes

That is true but i have played with a lot of toxic player and i would say they actually try but get mad at there team doing poorly which they shouldn't now that doesn't mean a lot will troll if they do get a perma chat ban but think about the people that wouldn't troll after get a perma chat ban if you dont then you just throw away there account with lot of hard work and money spent into it. But i do have to say your comment makes a lot of sense and brings out the best point out of every other comment in this thread so thank you.

Backess2 votes

I'll have to agree with your point, it even inspired me to write a ticket to Riot. Reasons this is beneficial for League (Riot Games)

  1. Players perma-banned will either quit league making them stop spending money on it.
  2. Or they will just create a new account and be toxic there. (Most toxic players are difficult to change just with a permaban)
  3. By not having chat, they can play the game and have fun/spend money on it and also completely remove their ability to be toxic
Hunts and Dips1 votes
  1. Players who get permabanned already spent the money on rp, invalid point
  2. No evidence to support claim, invalid point
  3. Players who intentionally ruin other players game through their language do not deserve to be a part of this community (in Riots opinion). Removing chat just narrows the scope of ways they can be toxic.

The point you guys are missing is that in riots (and 99% of the population of league) eyes being toxic through language and game play are equally harmful to the ecosystem.

DarkVanger1 votes

You are making zero sense your one two and three comments make no sense I AM SAYING instead of perma banning someones account for toxicity just remove there chat privileges forever.

Backess1 votes
  1. They already spent money, yeah. But they will spend even more if you don't ban them. It's simple idk how you didn't get it. (Invalid point)
  2. Lots of evidence, can even link lots of professional perma banned pros that have smurfs and stream through twitch (Being toxic there)
  3. If they start being toxic through gameplay, that's when you perma ban them!
Hunts and Dips1 votes

They will spend money on the new accounts too, if they wanted. You saying they lose money because an account was banned is incorrect.

That's not lots of evidence. Pro players make up lIke 0.0001% of the community and they have the money to just buy accounts instead of leveling them up.

Why wait for them to ruin games that way too, and just get them when they ruin games through their language?

Let me ask you this, were you perma banned for being toxic? Why are you so adamant towards these people who ruin the game running amuck?

Backess1 votes

  1. The only money they will spend it probably buying a smurf account (illegal) if they want to start a new account (Why risk the chance of losing everything again like you just did before)

  2. Not even pros, I myself have plenty of friends who got perma banned and still play with me on other account. Also, the attitude of pros influences the attitude of people watching their stream etc.

  3. They'd wait because of the two above points

I am so adamant about this because I have plenty of friends who got perma banned including one this christimas that wasted 200$ and it just makes my heart break seeing them crying ( I know they were being dicks) and thinking there is other alternatives that are

Backess1 votes

...not so brutal

Hunts and Dips2 votes

Newsflash: being a douchebag to other people in a team game helps nobody, AND is against the rules here.

Tell your buddies to read the rules before they agree to them and spend money.

This isn't really worth debating to me because I don't find your argument compelling enough to merit an intelligent response.

I'm out.

DarkVanger1 votes

WE ARE AGREEING WITH YOU being toxic is unacceptable SO remove there chat privileges making it impossible for them to be toxic and this is a more positive and better idea then to perma ban someone.

Backess1 votes

Newsflash: being a douchebag to other people in a team game helps nobody, AND is against the rules here. But there is also better ways to deal with them other than the current system implemented

Hunts and Dips2 votes

So using your logic, a convicted murderer shouldn't be locked up for life, but rather put on permanent parole so he has the opportunity to ruin stuff?

There's just no good reason to not remove accounts that are toxic.

Backess1 votes

"There's just no good reason to not remove accounts that are toxic."

Why remove account if you can make them unable to be toxic in the first place!

You are comparing BEING RUDE AND AGGRESIVE WITH WORDS TO MURDER!!?? What!! If someone keeps harassing you verbally irl, then you wouldn't be in jail forever, just a fee or maybe a couple years, not forever

DarkVanger1 votes

You cannot compare a murderer to a toxic person in a video game also is in my opinion there are SO many good reasons to not remove toxic accounts such as why perma ban an account for toxicity when you can just REMOVE chat privileges meaning the person doesn't loose money and time put into the account BUT LOSSES THE ABILITY TO BE TOXIC.

DarkVanger1 votes

You are making zero sense your one two and three comments make no sense I AM SAYING instead of perma banning someones account for toxicity just remove there chat privileges forever. If you are to comment back please tell me why perma banning someone account is better then removing there chat privileges.

Hunts and Dips1 votes

No offense but I don't think you understand how the boards work. I wasn't even replying to you. Read more carefully.

DarkVanger1 votes

Hi this is the creator of this thread and i would just like to know if you are agreeing or disagreeing with permanent chat bans instead of prema banes for toxicity i just want to see/gather other people opinions.

Hunts and Dips1 votes

No I do not agree. I have already explained why multiple times.

DarkVanger1 votes

Ok thank you for telling me i just didn't understand if you agreed or disagreed just wanted to know i also didn't understand your arguments for disagreeing thank you though for you comments on this thread i highly appreciate every opinion i can get.

PIMPSMOOTH2 votes

Reading you two children's post is amusing in the way a child throws a tantrum when their parents ground them for breaking their rules.

You can tell dad he's toxic and mean, you're still not getting your way.

The sooner that sinks in he better.

DarkVanger2 votes

Getting our way? i'm just posing an opinion/option and seeing other peoples opinions on what i said that's all there is no right or wrong way on what i said if you believe perma bans for toxicity is right then ok i disagree but that's your opinion. i just dont want you posting toxic and negative comments on this or any thread.

DarkVanger1 votes

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Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Not permanent, but infinitely stacking so as to be effectively permanent.

DarkVanger1 votes

Sorry i do not understand your comment mind rephrasing it for me.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

Ok. Prior to the new 14 day ban being right after your 25 game chat restriction, for verbal abuse you'd just get more chat restrictions. People would stack hundreds or even thousands of chat restrictions because they did not care and it didn't affect them; effectively they had a permanent chat restriction because they would never be able to work through them all.

Like being sentenced to 200 years in prison. You might as well call it life.

Backess1 votes

Lots of people I know didn't even get 14 day banned before perma ban, just a straight perma ban which makes your point invalid

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

Lots of people I know

Personal experience is anecdote, not evidence.

The reason they skipped the 14 day is because extremely toxic behavior can result in an escalated punishment. My point isn't invalid, you are missing information.

Backess1 votes

An anecdote is a type of evidence, it's called anectodal evidence

Also, why infinitely stacking if you could just simply perma chat ban them? Like in prison, instead of every 5 years add 5 more years, just make it a life sentence. That's just wasting time and energy to accomplish a simple thing.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

Anecdotal evidence is not real evidence, it's just a phrase.

The least you could do is address the real issue; the information you're lacking that is making you come to the false conclusion that I claimed you can't be escalated and skip punishment tiers.

If you're going to claim I said something I didn't then act like you didn't, this conversation is over.

Backess1 votes

You are making absolute no sense in your last 2 sentences. Sounds like you don't really know how to respond to my argument.

Also, go google it if you don't believe it. My uncle is a lawyer, so I am pretty sure anectodes counts as evidence, just not that valid of an evidence (still and evidence though). Goole it up.

Anyways this is getting off topic so I'll stop responding to your replies

DarkVanger1 votes

Ok so your point if you cannot talk in chat forever on your account it means what? you cant be toxic which is why you perma ban people for toxicity obviously right? but in my opinion perma banning is doing more then is needed which is to just remove the chat for the toxic player it allows the player to continue playing the game which is good no?

Hunts and Dips2 votes

So why add in the perma chat ban step if you agree they will reach that point anyways?

If people knew they couldn't be permabanned by what they typed then chronically toxic players will be ass holes until they reach that chat ban. It gives them a safety net. By permabanning their account, it discourages that kind of behavior.

DarkVanger2 votes

What? i'm really confused to what you are saying there is in my opinion NO reason to not add permanent chat banes there is ZERO downside to this except for the tiny one i said and there is so many more upside like i said i haves seen so many toxic players obliviously and very few of them troll the people that troll usually are not toxic they just troll because they find it fun and the people that are toxic usually try very hard and are mad they are losing because of a feeder or a troll or other reasons i am saying i completely disagree with toxicity so one way to stop it is permanently banning chat privileges so no one gets sad , angry , mad or upset of getting perma banned because they spent alot of time and money into the account.

Hunts and Dips2 votes

So you want to remove perma bans for being toxic in chat so people don't get angry when they get banned?

They should have thought of that before they got to that point.

OK now read very carefully.

Say I'm a toxic little shit and I love being a huge dick for no reason. Riot announces that you can no longer be perma banned for what you type. That's like a free pass for me to say whatever the fuck I want until my chat gets turned off. I could be racist/homophobic/wish death upon people etc.

By having the FEAR of LOSING your account, it greatly reduces the amount of people willing to risk being toxic.

Backess1 votes

Then there could be a system where you THINK that you'd get perma banned, but if you ask for it, then you'd get it. Or more like the old system where you create a account from 1 to 30, if you don't get reported for being toxic etc then your perma banned gets transformed into a perma chat ban instead

Hunts and Dips3 votes

Now you're just getting silly.

If this is about you getting a perma banned account back just give up. It's not gonna happen.

Backess1 votes

How is that silly? Listen

You get permabanned for being toxic You level an account all the way to 30 again without getting chat restricted etc You get your account back with a perma chat removal If you keep being toxic by other means, you get perma banned

It's a simple system. I do not see anything silly about it except promoting rewards to players who change attitude and reducing smurf selling on League.

Hunts and Dips3 votes

Ok then people could just do that every time they get banned and get their accounts back and infinitely ruin games.

There is no argument that you can make that will convince anybody that this is even remotely a good idea.

Dammit I said I wouldn't respond to this lol

DarkVanger2 votes

I am agreeing with you people should obviously not be toxic but i think there is another way to stop a player from being toxic other then a perma ban and that is removing there chat privileges forever. I AGREE you should not be toxic in the first place and you should have thought and known the consequences of being toxic i just think removing chat privileges is a better way to go about it then perma ban.

PIMPSMOOTH1 votes

Don't be a dick, pretty simple.

Can't help it? Get banned and go play some other games.

Koreâñ1 votes

my opinion and that will make all happy remove that perma ban on chat cuz thats too much just chat restricted and 20 mint afk cuz toxic has no end and trust me my friends got ban and so what they left the game . and still their is much more toxic every game 1 or 2 so u going to ban all ? for toxic btw my friend got banned cuz he said idiot feeder like 4 times in four games so lol really that too much guys.

but keep the the good thing up and its just an opinion

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