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9Z11ggs··1 votes·357 views

Hello everyone. I'll tell you something about myself and about my LOL experience and then we can have a nice discussion about flame/bans etc ( if you want to). I'm a EUNE mid main in low DMD. I am what you would consider "toxic". I don't flame that much, nor do I flame bad players just because they lost their lane. What I do very often though is flame INTers, people who refuse to communicate or people who flame me or my teammates for stupid reasons( like losing lane, not ganking their lane, etc.) I got a lot of chat bans and even some 14 day bans back in the old days, which I admit I got with a reason. BUT in the last 2 years I think the system is just pure shit. I got 2 14-day BANS on two separate accounts for nothing. EXAMPLE: I got a 7 day ban(had a bad few days of tilt), I was like "Ok i should write less and more polite. I fucked up. I don't flame I'm was doing ok. Then I have two games where I was toxic and I get a 14 days ban. (1. game I literally just wrote "fuck you" to a cassio top that was shittalking me because I lost lane with my main champ , and on the other one i flamed a guy at the very end of the game before the defeat screen pops up because he inted , something along the lines of "go fuck yourself you retarded piece of shit". Is that fair? I even wrote in the chat how funny it is that I will probably get a ban and he won't.(Ironic) I'm tired of this shit and that's why I'm making this post. And now some statements. I think riot should put up the tribunal again (I know it had its flaws but if they fixed it up a bit, I think people can decide much better when someone should get punishments and when not). I don't think "kys" or "get cancer" are highly toxic things to say(specially not in my region). Do you really think someone will kill himself just because you told them "kys" once? I don't like how a lot of people here on the forums like the fact that you get permabans for being toxic (aka I would rather like a permachat ban or dotas system) I think it's funny that when players start a discussion here about how they got banned for flaming back a toxic person, you tell them: " You shouldn't have talked back, just mute him." So why would there be a permaban for flaming if you yourself said you can just mute the toxic player? You can't "mute" someone who ints. You have to swallow the lost LP and go next game, but you can always mute a toxic person and the problem is mostly solved (yes I know you lose a lot of communication but still )

These are my statements , you can post your opinions on them maybe I will even change my mind. You can ask me other stuff if you want. This either won't get any attention or it will be downvoted a lot but I don't care. But if you downvote it , it would at least be nice of you to tell me your opinion and reason why you downvoted. Thanks for your time I'll be back in 2-3 hours to check if someone replied.

9 Comments

ModThe Djinn2 votes

The mute button is a shield, not an excuse.

It exists to protect players from harassment. It does NOT exist to ENABLE harassment, even though, yes, it could be used for that purpose.

Riot wants a community where players are polite and respectful, and have the tools they need to avoid those who aren't. They do NOT want a community where players feel free to abuse and harass each other, and the players who are sportsmanlike, friendly, and want to just play a fun game are effectively forced to ignore chat and mute everyone after being insulted a few times. Soon those players will start to mute everyone and, given the toxicity that would encourage, leave the community.

It's also worth noting that the IFS actually is based on what people report, and what they reported in the Tribunal. You wouldn't see a change in how punishments work, because the PLAYERBASE is the group that decided that things like "kys" was entirely unacceptable in every context.

9Z11ggs1 votes

Maybe that's just me. I never mute people. I never report people for flame (except in really rare cases). Irl I'm a really passive person and don't get angry much. In sports it's a bit different because I'm very competitive . I'm respectful to others if they respect me. But if I'm 5/0 and someone is 0/3 and I "give " hime my advice (try playing safe, push bot as 4, don't go in now I'll gank in 30 sec) and they don't listen to me for the 5th time, they aren't really respecting me either. After 5 times of telling somebody something in a polite way I sometimes lose my cool. I wouldn't just use it for chat I'd also use it for int/scripting. Like a system where you write where the guy inted, someone takes a look at the short 2-3 minutes, gg. (It's just a dream) :D

ARAM ZooKeeper1 votes

The fact is League is competitive, but also entirely dependent on random teammates. The matchmaking isn't very good, so frequently players have to deal with immature, unskilled, stupid players. It is frustrating.

I wish Riot would put half the amount of effort into fixing their matchmaking/ranking system that they put into banning vocal, frustrated players who just had 40 minutes of their time wasted by a moron they shouldn't of had to play with.

They are trying to hide the symptoms rather than focusing on the cure.

9Z11ggs1 votes

I don't mind unskilled ones as long as they know they are unskilled and they take advice. Sometimes you lose anyway, but sometimes if they listen to you (or other good macro players) you can win the game easy. It all depends on the elo though . I think with higher elo comes more reasonable flame. Like I've seen some shit in silver where people only flame others because they don't want to admit their mistakes.

ARAM ZooKeeper1 votes

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I don't mind unskilled ones as long as they know they are unskilled and they take advice. Sometimes you lose anyway, but sometimes if they listen to you (or other good macro players) you can win the game easy. It all depends on the elo though . I think with higher elo comes more reasonable flame. Like I've seen some shit in silver where people only flame others because they don't want to admit their mistakes.

That happens all the time in silver. A player has poor judgement and dives, dies, and then spams "?" at nearby teammates who knew better. Then they call teammates useless.

Bronze is supposed to catch all of those players and keep them there, but somehow silver has even more of them.

TryMucinex1 votes

I think Riot may argue about how they prefer this system because people who flame back to "toxic players" basically get a free pass to say anything hatred, foul, or whatever sorts of communication =/. Plus, people who flame back do not have the capability to solves problem (solving the problem using involves two people compromising or getting along afterward). Telling a toxic player, "you're toxic" "you're dumb" or whatever in general isn't going to stop them or make them have a change of heart. It's just another way to rage/vent. The same way the original "toxic player" rage/vent, just different purpose. D=

The mute function is not an excuse to flame. It's for people who are not mentally capable of withstanding the problem or treating the problem correctly. For example, I never clicked the mute button. I never get stressed, angry, hateful, or whatever. I want all possible lines of communication to be open, so I can send and benefits from information, and so they can send and benefit from information. _I want to say...when all my conflicting teammates acknowledge that I have no disturbance/hatred in my head, they focus and become more calm. Unfortunately, there's a higher correlation of this when I perform incredibly well. _ If you really have a wide knowledge of perspectives, vocabulary, experience, or whatever, to change the player's attitude, you can type to resolve the problems. League of Legends makes it very difficult since there's no time to type. It's not the place either. End-lobby is a good place, but people would quit out of stress, cowardice, pride, or to influence their emotions by having the last word (EX: "Whatever, you're suck and have fun being hard-stuck (Silver 5/Gold 5/Plat 5/Diamond 5).

Mental development is an important thing. If you can and if you hold a similar idea/perspective, be more caring and considerate and try to make the world, in terms of emotions, a better place. Easier said than done. xD

9Z11ggs1 votes

I usually tell them something along the lines of "stfu and play, all of you, we will win if u stop argue" so nobody feels attacked personally Y there isn't much time thats why stuff like this is much easier then "Could you two players please stop arguing and start focusing on the objectives in this game....." The other problem is that flame in low elo and high elo is very different. In high elo someone can flame the living shit out of you but if he's 15/0 and knows what the fuck he is doing, I and a lot of other players won't mind. Or a lot of the time it's just smack talk: How the fuck did you die lol xd?" In low elo i noticed people really get personal and stuff. Thats why when I said "kys " once on my lvl 8 acc i got banned , but in Dmd I used it every now and then and I still didn't get a ban. Cuz people either don't care enought or it's said more in a banter way.

Example : Did you ever watch imqtpie or IWD? Lonesome ranger comes into their game gives them death threats and flames they don't even report him.

TryMucinex1 votes

I have no concerns with players having fun. I don't hate them or have vengeance for seeming like bad people. They're fine.

I usually tell them something along the lines of "stfu and play, all of you, we will win if u stop argue" so nobody feels attacked personally Y there isn't much time thats why stuff like this is much easier then "Could you two players please stop arguing and start focusing on the objectives in this game....."

That will not always work. Once it get personal, it's more difficult. But what you tell them works as well. Any small arguments that may happen, I'll just ignore it myself, or tell my teammates to ignore or whatever basically. I'm not going to type out a whole lesson xD.

When it get really deep in anger and/or personal, it will take more than telling them to stop typing and play. They will resort to something as their "reputation" are under "attack". Sometime, there's a thing where people NEED to get the last word. They are unable to stop typing. If they listen to a command, they will feel a sense of submission and loss of power. People can resort to split-pushing all game only, afk, steal camps/minions, or intentionally feed at that point. Subconsciously (or maybe intentionally out of vengeance), people are probably going to perform poorly, refuse to assist their teammates, etc.

9Z11ggs1 votes

I know what you mean. One time I had an argument with a guy in the jungle ( I had many but i remember this one specifically) and we were both write and wrong. I had to have the last word because I'm stubborn but after like 3-4 lines we both stfu and played is nothing happened. As for the split pushing my problem is completely different. I play Kayle top a lot so I just split push a lot in games where the enemy team has no mobility. In some games I tell people what I will do and they listen to me and we win the game it's all ok . In other games it's like "please go bot or mid as 4 so we have pressure on the other side of the map". 3 players go, one does our jungle camps. Then I repeat it like 2-3 more times with "please" but after that I lose my shit. If you get my point of view . It's like some people have a problem with getting carried.

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