Can we please get a troll button in lobby?

Illumnic·Jul 29, 2017·25 votes·1,886 views

This guy didn't even try to let us know that he was going to play Talon. Draven banned him , and then he said he was going to feed. I didn't want us all to suffer so I dodged. Now this guy is still running around, and will probably troll more games. This situation has happened so many times, and I don't understand why I have to take punishments for not wanting to waste an entire game because of one person.

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I think this could be easily fixed though. In lobby there could be a troll button that everyone has to vote for. The person deemed as a troll then takes the loss of lp. Everyone else is simply returned to que.

47 Comments

This Is Your DadJul 29, 20179 votes

As professor Quirrell would say: "Troll! Troll in the Champion Select!"

UnboundHadesJul 29, 20179 votes

You do understand how much this can be abused by premades right?

RandomoniumJul 29, 20171 votes

I think the intention of this is for solo queue since his complaint is that trolls are making him lose LP.

ChermorgJul 30, 20172 votes

The potential for abuse in any queue is high. Don't like the team comp? Vote someone a troll, they get punished, and you get to start over.

Someone banned your champ for a decent reason? Vote them a troll then start over instead of playing a different champ like a normal person.

IllumnicJul 30, 20171 votes

Yeah but all 4 have to agree, and I highly doubt that everyone would vote just because you lose your champ or something. And it should be for only solo q

ChermorgJul 30, 20171 votes

The high potential for abuse is the issue. Riot can't know if it'll be abused a lot, a little, etc until they implement it. But it's not worth the manpower to implement considering there's a high likelihood it'd be removed after being abused repeatedly.

RandomoniumJul 30, 20171 votes

If Riot didn't implement things because they had a potential to be abused then they wouldn't change anything ever. Everything has the potential to be abused. You just create the best system you can and if people try to abuse it then you adapt to counter them.

I don't think there's any way to abuse it in solo queue since 4 random people would have to agree and if they tried to abuse the system then they'd have to communicate in chat which is tracked by riot.

ChermorgJul 30, 20171 votes

It's not a potential for abuse stopping this. It's the extremely high potential for abuse. Remake? Low potential to abuse -someone would have to willingly agree to afk and accept LP loss and LeaverBuster.

This? Team just has to vote a person out. For any or no reason.

RandomoniumJul 30, 20171 votes

Its 4 random people. The only way they can vote out the SAME person is if they talk together IN CHAT which Riot can detect and ban them for if they are voting someone out for the wrong reasons. There is no potential for abuse in solo queue.

ChermorgJul 30, 20171 votes

There is potential for abuse. Four people don't like the team composition matchup and think it's the fault of the player playing off meta? One of them starts a vote. The three others see it as a way to get out. The queue restarts, wasting the time of 5 enemies, plus punishing (or not) the person who picked off-meta.

No communication needed, just dogpiling in order to avoid a game they don't want to play. It's not uncommon. There's almost no talking for surrender votes that I see. Yet they pass even in times when one person doesn't want to.

RandomoniumJul 30, 20171 votes

It wouldn't be a vote like a surrender. It would be a blind vote. If one person votes someone as a troll the other players don't know who was voted for, only that a troll vote was initiated. All 4 people would have to independently vote for the same person.

TrulyBlandJul 30, 20171 votes

All 4 people would have to independently vote for the same person.

Which is not that unlikely to happen. I don't want to sound all "Ermagerd, look at all those meta sheep!", but in all honesty a lot of people have a pretty similar idea of what a "normal" team composition looks like. I'm going to go out on a limb there and say that most people would probably be able to guess who is being voted out.

Especially if we're going by Chermorg's example that one of the players is playing something more off-meta.

zPOOPzJul 30, 20171 votes

All those poor Teemo player being voted out (not that I feel any sadly for them)

RandomoniumJul 31, 20171 votes

Even if they were it would be pretty easy to spot false reporting. If the guy is using normal runes, masteries, summoner spells, etc and has played the champion a lot in ranked or normal queue and doesn't say anything about trolling in chat the then 4 people who report him would get punished instead.

TrulyBlandJul 31, 20171 votes

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Even if they were it would be pretty easy to spot false reporting. If the guy is using normal runes, masteries, summoner spells, etc and has played the champion a lot in ranked or normal queue and doesn't say anything about trolling in chat the then 4 people who report him would get punished instead.

And how would you define that? By definition, an off-meta pick is not normal, in that it is a strategy that differs from the one you would typically encounter.

RandomoniumAug 1, 20171 votes

If its not obviously troll then its fine. Period. If someone wants to play Teemo top with DFT and ignite then you can't report him for trolling unless he says he's going to troll.

TrulyBlandAug 1, 20171 votes

If it's not obviously troll then its fine.

Given that I'm asking you how you define what should be considered a troll, this is circular logic.

But already the word "obvious" is going to pose a problem, since you suggested that people who "falsely" vote people out will get punished instead. So if only the obvious trolls are going to get punished, that implies that people trying to vote out less obvious trolls are going to get punished themselves.

Generally, the idea to punish those who use the vote "wrongly" puts an enormous amount of pressure onto that system. Usually to avoid innocents being punished you only need to make sure that specificity is high enough, usually at the cost of sensitivity. But in this scenario even low sensitivity will punish innocents, because that means that not all trolls are considered trolls, and people who would try to vote them out could be falsely punished instead.

zPOOPzJul 30, 20171 votes

lolwut? You are reaching so far out of box, I'm not even sure how to reel you back in the box.

zPOOPzJul 29, 20177 votes

How many innocence Teemo player will lose LP to this bad idea? Granted I will not lose sleep over the death of Teemo and/or its foolish user, but how many people do you think will get voted off the island and lose LP just because he doesn't want to play what the team wants or play something off-meta?

"Play Lucian or we will vote you off the island so you can lose LP because reasons"

IllumnicJul 29, 20171 votes

Yeah but I was thinking all 4 would have to vote on it. Maybe just make it so everyone goes away with no lp loss or timer?

zPOOPzJul 29, 20174 votes

If you give people a free and clear way to cancel a game, you will have your queue time go up exponentially. Queues will be remade due to troll, off-meta pick, pre-made, etc. 50 times per day. People can now attempt to hijack someone's role each and every time he get autofill or 2nd role he doesn't want. What's the worst the can happen when you hijack someone's role? Ans: a queue remade with no penalty...

MUSHROOM MIDGETJul 29, 20177 votes

put a report button in champ select and the main thing you will accomplish is making the trolls be quiet until the game starts.

you wont know you have trolls until the game starts and it is too late to dodge. you will instead have to waste 30 mins of your time in a troll game instead of escaping with a dodge penalty.

zPOOPzJul 29, 20172 votes

So much this. Even if I have to play a troll game, I'd rather know I will have a troll game so I don't have to be so invested in the game. Maybe even trying some new strategy or build or rune/mastery if I'm going to have to play a troll game anyway.

IllumnicJul 30, 20171 votes

Yeah I guess you're right, this idea in particular wouldn't work too well (because of abuse) but hopefully a professional game developing company can come up with at least some solution.

9Wly9oMl02Jul 30, 20171 votes

The simple solution comes when the community stops being so worried about trying to SJW the toxicity out of League and actually demands things be done regarding the causes of it, ie this guy. Not defending chat, but it's a simple fact that the current method of banning everyone who says a mean thing has not worked for the past 5 years. And it never will. It's the community that doesn't want it though. You'll get massive amounts of people defending a 0/40 player because he "just had a bad game".

9Wly9oMl02Jul 30, 20171 votes

Simple fix. Start actually banning trolls for in game behavior.

TrulyBlandJul 30, 20171 votes

Not necessarily... "true" trolls (the ones who literally just do it for the lulz) are rare. Most of them just want others to dodge so they don't have to. And that strategy is made a lot less viable when they can no longer clearly announce their intent. Plus, even if they do go through with it, that means they can be reported after the game.

I suppose it's a tough decision to make, since it would at least temporarily increase the number of trolls actually ruining games (rather than just inducing dodges).

MUSHROOM MIDGETJul 30, 20171 votes

its true some are just trying to get dodges. I don't know the stats on how many are serious. but from what ive seen people who threaten to troll usually aren't lying. if no one dodges they actually do as promised.

SnakDatSmilesBakJul 30, 20171 votes

Wat... pretty much the only reason to troll is for the juicy memes

abca98Jul 29, 20173 votes

Prepare to have this deleted for naming and shaming :D

IllumnicJul 29, 20172 votes

eh yeah ill fix that

Synnx7Jul 29, 20172 votes

Riot : " We'd rather NOT find a solution to this , so we'll just stick with "" it can be abused"" , and deal with it. Good luck summoner and watch our boring ass LC$ ! "

ChermorgJul 30, 20171 votes

This isn't like remake. Remake was implemented because it is very hard to abuse.

Anything that allows a queue to be cancelled after champion select starts for any reason would be full of abuse. People would be restarting queues because they don't like matchups, they got their OTP banned... Etc.

archerno1Jul 29, 20171 votes

Well is he trolling? You have his name, check his match history. All you know, he could be bluffing.

BarefootSensaiJul 29, 20171 votes

Listen up, I've spent awhile in Bronze V. If you have never seen Bronze V at 1 a.m NA server you probably don't truly understand what we are trying to accomplish. I personally think a majority vote kicks you out(3-2). We have dodge timers. Most of us are dodging because of toxic players, or whatever the situation. I thoroughly enjoy this game. Its a great feeling having a good team that communicates well. I've gained friends IRL through this game. I've also uninstalled several times because of this community. But something needs to be done about the "Trolls" in the game. Maybe make Normals a 4-1 vote.

I don't know. Employ me and I'll find a way. Just kidding. For real though. Nautilus

Beas7ieJul 30, 20171 votes

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Listen up, I've spent awhile in Bronze V. If you have never seen Bronze V at 1 a.m NA server you probably don't truly understand what we are trying to accomplish. I personally think a majority vote kicks you out(3-2). We have dodge timers. Most of us are dodging because of toxic players, or whatever the situation. I thoroughly enjoy this game. Its a great feeling having a good team that communicates well. I've gained friends IRL through this game. I've also uninstalled several times because of this community. But something needs to be done about the "Trolls" in the game. Maybe make Normals a 4-1 vote.

I don't know. Employ me and I'll find a way. Just kidding. For real though.

It should be unanimous 4-1. Even if fewer trolls are foiled, there will be much lower chances of a premade trying to "bully someone" into using a certain role or champ.

ChermorgJul 29, 20171 votes

You can have a report button for trolling in champion select when you show me proof you have a crystal ball that allows you to see their in-game behavior before the game has started.

IllumnicJul 30, 20171 votes

So you think that Soraka mid with ghost and cleanse means he is going to play to the best of his ability? Even after he was stating he was going to troll? I dodged literally last second, so I'm pretty sure I knew exactly how that game would go down.

ChermorgJul 30, 20171 votes

You can claim you know all you want, but you can't.

Sorin AlucardJul 30, 20171 votes

Unfortunately you can't have a mechanic that can be abused by players, but a report button in pre game lobby (before a dodge) would be good for building cases against bad users. Instead of just X reports, it can be banning for X post game reports and X lobby reports for games that never finish queuing. Riot can still check reports like always for validity, but ultimately would have more info about players that encourage dodging because they start ruining games in champ select. I don't think the current system has any accurate radar of this behavior for individual accounts

Report for WujuJul 30, 20171 votes

you picked udyr you troll

ShacophobiaJul 30, 20171 votes

Kinda his fault for not selecting Talon, but then again you don't know the amount of times people have banned my champ even if I selected it, and if that was the case here I'd support him trolling tbh...

LauchmelderJul 30, 20171 votes

Selected Azir - banned Selected Cassiopeia - banned Selected Viktor - banned

Played Syndra. I will never go down from such a pitiful human being. If he thinks trolling will get him somewhere in LoL he's wrong, but I'm not gonna help him and dodge so he can MAYBE get his pick not banned the next time.