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No tanks are fun··3 votes·1,138 views

I hope this doesn't come out the wrong way, but this new ban system is bullshit, honestly. My friend was banned after being given two warnings (which were both mutes) and then he was banned for calling someone a f*****. What I dont understand is how some people get more chances to turn around bad behavior than others. Just an example, but IWDominate was warned a total of eight times before his account was finally banned. I get it, hes a pro player, and were just casuals, but is that really fair? I talked to one of my other friends about this and he just said to mute them and stop flaming like an idiot, which I think is really good advice, but at the same time it doesn't solve the problem at all. The amount of frustration that builds from being trolled in ranked games is just ridiculous. And all I get from the higher ups in the community is learn to deal with it, and learn to carry. What I don't get is why trolls aren't banned as frequently as "toxic players", because in essence they're both toxic. Riot has the money to higher more staff to review games to weed out actual problems in the community, because your right, if someone is toxic just mute them. But after getting the same troll in your game three times in a row in promos, without the ability to dodge, well lets see how many of you dont become toxic yourself. Its like that time Dotot (who still hasn't been punished) trolled Imaqtpie and dominate for five games straight; except for lower level players, this is almost every other game. All I'm saying is that riot has the money and the potential tools to be more fair in how they ban people, but they take the easy way out and just ban "toxic players" who are really people who were antagonized first. Why they dont go after the other side of the problem as well, I dont know. And if your banned they "don't even take money into account", we know what they really means. What a bunch of snakes.Cassiopeia

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Awkward Couch5 votes
  1. IWD was brought to the tribunal a total of 9 times, but that was under the old system. With the new system you get:

-10 game chat restriction -25 game chat restriction -14 day ban -permaban

IWD is/was a good player, but he had all of his accounts banned. He didn't get to keep anything from his old accounts. The same thing happened to Incarnation. http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2864421&page=1#post32080366

  1. Homophopic speech gets punished very harshly.

  2. Trolls aren't punished as quickly because they are much harder to catch. Remember, it's not against the rules to build off meta or have a bad game. And hiring people to watch games for trolls, would be really impractical. Let's say that in 1 day, there are 1 million reports for trolling worldwide all servers, and the average game length is 30 minutes. Let's say that Riot hires 1000 people to watch and try and catch these trolls (remember Riot itself is only about 2000 employees big), and they work a max of 40 hours per week. So in all we have 2 million hours of gameplay to sort through (because it would be super easy to cut footage and "prove" that X person was trolling, you really need to see the whole video in order to get a fair judgement) and a grand total of 40,000 man hours. It would take that staff 50 weeks to go through the footage of that 1 day's worth of reports. So even increasing the size of the company by 50% (which is a huge cost in saleries, health care, building costs, computers etc.) and dedicating them to catching trolls, just wouldn't really work. Not to mention that Riot would have to store all of that video on their servers, that's a lot of memory. On low quality you're talking 2 gigs of data.

  3. DoToT did get punished, he just got a 14 day suspension.

VictoryDance964 votes

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Twiggles1 votes

Upvoted for Scrubs

Astôlfo4 votes

Other people being a problem does not give you the right to become one as well. And what's your point about the money argument? It's not their money anymore, it's Riot's. They willingly gave it to Riot in return for skins or champions or what have you. So it's no longer "their" money. It belongs to Riot. And calling someone a f***** is considered hate speech and is grounds for an automatic permanent ban. So I have no sympathy, nor should anyone else.

bolivian heat2 votes

Because trolls still spend money. Because being toxic can actually cost riot money. Example. Lots of children/ minors play league , shocking right, but so if a parent were to see someone being toxic to their child, then they will not let their child play league, and therefore won't spend any money to buy their child those precious rp for stuff. Same with adults. We live in a sensitive community. Its more likely someone would quit league due to toxicity in comparison with just facing trolls. Not to mention the fact that season 6 offers dynamic q, so just find four people on your friend list and group up....guess what the troll problem is solved on your end . riot wants money. Can't hate them for that. Toxicity drives away money. And people who are toxic over a videogame, be it over trolls or whatever, are no better than the trolls they hate. And in general its not just trolls that bring out toxicity either. Some people are just douche bags and deserved to be banned period. If u can't have self control when it comes to a videogame , then I pray to god that a person like that doesn't hold a position of power in real life , CU's that would be horrible.

Inject The Memes1 votes

Its a video game for a reason and the people who play the game are still people with feelings. And talking about self control, are you serious. You said it yourself, its a videogame. And this videogame is played on the internet where there are no filters. The fact that they punish someone who spent money on their game purely because they wanted to support the company that made the game is also a terrible strategy that could possibly turn future players off from actually even trying the game. Because this whole .006% statistic is bullhonkey and one slip up can land you with a 2 week suspension or a chat restriction and from there on out you are free game to get perma banned no matter what happens.

Inject The Memes2 votes

If you are downvoting this thread because you don't want to hear about other peoples problems well guess what, you are the problem. The solution starts somewhere and why not here? If only riot actually cared for their fanbase on not about raking in the dough.

Astôlfo5 votes

Except, they do care for their fanbase which is why they ban the toxic players instead of letting them continue to play, which would mean the toxic players would spend more money, meaning they get more money. They'd rather ban the toxic little shits than get a few bucks from them. Why? Because those toxic players ruin it for more people, which in turn makes others toxic. By exterminating toxic people like them, it's better for the whole community.

Inject The Memes1 votes

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Except, they do care for their fanbase which is why they ban the toxic players instead of letting them continue to play, which would mean the toxic players would spend more money, meaning they get more money. They'd rather ban the toxic little shits than get a few bucks from them. Why? Because those toxic players ruin it for more people, which in turn makes others toxic. By exterminating toxic people like them, it's better for the whole community.

Guess what? No matter how many people you ban, there will be more. Banning people on any sort of game doesn't make it better. It just makes it so people get scared of getting banned for saying something or letting something slip on accident and guess what, that's toxic in of itself. And I guarantee that its more than a few bucks per person. They are making millions off of the "toxic little shits".

Astôlfo1 votes

Duh, but the ban means those people won't be there anymore, at least not on that account. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. How do you clean up the trash? One piece at a time. And no, there's no reason to be scared unless you're willingly a troll or an asshole. So your point is invalid.

What's your point about money? If they wanted just money, they wouldn't ban the toxic little shits. Therefore, said toxic little shits would continue to spend money, earning Riot more money. Except, guess what? Riot bans them instead. Why? The toxicity is worse than the money said trolls bring in, because said trolls ruin it for multiple others which spiral out in a butterfly effect.

Inject The Memes1 votes

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Duh, but the ban means those people won't be there anymore, at least not on that account. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. How do you clean up the trash? One piece at a time. And no, there's no reason to be scared unless you're willingly a troll or an asshole. So your point is invalid.

What's your point about money? If they wanted just money, they wouldn't ban the toxic little shits. Therefore, said toxic little shits would continue to spend money, earning Riot more money. Except, guess what? Riot bans them instead. Why? The toxicity is worse than the money said trolls bring in, because said trolls ruin it for multiple others which spiral out in a butterfly effect.

The elephant theory doesn't apply for this because the said elephant is millions of people that play and more that join up everyday .This system of banning takes the toxic things you said no matter how far apart you said them (source tried to see how long it would take to get my "smurf" banned or chat restricted. Took yesterday one game where I deliberately was toxic and got a chat restriction HOWEVER they took that chat log and 2 others from MONTHS back and by months I mean a year because I remember those games((trolls feeders get you hyped, no?))). So yes you should be scared even after a chat restriction or 2 week ban and you should be scared because even one slip up in a game every couple of months that you play can lead to a permanent suspension no matter how far apart this is. You could be the kindest guy in the world but so help you if you get mad a couple times. As for the money aspect, youre right (sort of) because every type of person spends money but you have to accept that the belief that a toxic player is toxic for a reason and follows the "douchebag" stereotype would spend more on the game to show how toxic they really are by "showing off" or something like that. Sorry for delayed responses, for some reason I'm not getting notifications.

Astôlfo1 votes

And? Sure, there's more trolls everyday, but this still gets rid of them. Or do you propose we do nothing and just the toxic trolls have their way freely? I know the ban system already doesn't work as well as it optimally should. At least it's still making an effort though, and as visible by threads in PB&M, it obviously still does work and get rid of the trash who needed to be cleaned up.

Inject The Memes1 votes

This only gets rid of the minute amount of people who are by definition toxic, and toxicity is the internet in general. That's why the game has no rating for online play neither does any other online game. Because monitored online play makes a game go downhill and if riot continues the way they are going then you are going to watch the fall of league of legends.

Astôlfo1 votes

Better than letting them still play. And obviously, they're still doing fine.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Just an example had a game where I went 100-0-0 Team fed and I was LIKE U FUCKING IDIOTS I'M TRYING TO CARRY YOU NOOBS NOW OBEY THE CARRY LORD IM FAKER JR RESPECT ME FAKER JR. One member leaves (afk) One rages at me FAKER JR, One keeps on feeding, and the One other person the last person on the team just listens as the casually farms, gets objectives etc. As the game ends and your team loses, The AFK will NOT be punished why he was the one that left sometimes you don't always get punished for leaving a bad situation same thing in life if friends are going to steal stuff out of a store if you leave you will not be punished with the (crime) but with a AFK. THE FEEDER will NOT be punished as bad games do happen. Pros haven them and BRONZE players have them. THE QUIET ONE will NOT be punished as they were quiet and just did what they could even if it wasn't much. THE RAGE PLAYER..... Not everyone has the same amount of chances in life some people will get a few too many "get out of jail free cards" others will be made an example out of its that simple.
There are no Born Toxic people just people who choose to be toxic

  1. Mute everyone
  2. Move on
Inject The Memes1 votes

"All Hail Riot Games" is all I'm seeing in these comments.

Inject The Memes1 votes

I think its funny that when people talk bad about a broken system that they get downvoted automatically. Yall hold riots hands like yall hold Ls

Inject The Memes1 votes

And no matter what happens if you afk during a match you will get leaverbustered so that statement is false. As for the feeder all riot has to do is look at recent history and if they are trolls and have multiple reports from a single game from them feeding then they are feeding. Its not rocket science. And the person keeping quiet, good on them. As for the toxic person no matter what was said you shouldn't be banned from a game you consistently pay money for. And as for toxcicity going down there are just as many toxic ppl on this game as there was 2 years ago when I started. So this new system is punishing ppl for a basic human emotion that some people have a hard time controlling, Its just who they are. They shouldn't be permabanned from a video game for it. Its a game, you don't like being talked shit to hit the mute button. Turn off the game. SO many options why permaban a consistent player? Its flawed and stupid as hell. If you don't agree well I don't care, Hit the mute button sissies.

Inject The Memes1 votes

This is a video game, not real life so the whole "get out of jail free" thing you were trying to say doesn't apply here. New system or not everyone deserves a fair chance no matter how long ago this was the principle still applies.

Troll Armada1 votes

If your friend called someone the n-word, he would have gone straight to a ban with no warning at all.

Randomonium1 votes

You're talking about two completely different time periods. Back when IWDominate got banned it was common for people to get 8 warnings before getting banned. However, that has changed in the past year or two. Now you get a MAXIMUM of 4 strikes. 2 chat bans, a 14 day ban, and then a permanent ban. That's it. Everyone is held to the same standard. And if your behavior is considered really bad you can jump levels. Also, pros are held to a MUCH higher standard now. Xaioweixaio can attest to that.

Riot has said they are working on catching trolls better and that they will be rolling out new improvements to the tribunal soon. That said, you are never justified in flaming someone. And besides, the whole reason people troll is to get a reaction out of you so stop giving them what they want! Mute them, report them and move on.

And if you get a ranked game with a troll in it for the love of God don't immediately queue back up again. You run a huge risk to get paired up with that person again since you both queued up at the same time and are at the same MMR. Literally all you have to do is wait 5 minutes and you'll never get paired up with the same people twice.

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