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Riot does not care about going AFK and int-feeding, with proof

AttackMoveNexus··3 votes·2,438 views

I have discovered a method that allows me to go AFK and int feed every single game and have never gotten punished for it. Not to say I haven't been punished in general, just not for using this method over and over for years. tl;dr press attack-move on enemy nexus once every 3 mins.

But this thread isn't about this method. It's about Riot not giving a damn and the system being so lax towards int-feeders and people that AFK, while they focus ONLY on chat toxicity. I know being toxic in chat can influence your game, but it's not even close to going AFK and feeding enemies.

And I have proof of that. Not only have I gotten reported hundreds of times (been using this method for years) and never got punished for it, I have ADMITTED on the official LoL boards that I've been doing so, and explained my method too. What did Riot do? They deleted the thread around 3 days later, and sent me a message that "the thread was violating our TOS, it was deleted but no action was taken towards your account". Meanwhile last year I got an account permanently banned because I typed "k y s" to another person's thread.

I'm not saying I didn't deserve the ban, nor the other punishments I've gotten due to extreme toxicity, I'm just pointing out that Riot flat out DOES NOT CARE about going AFK and feeding. The most hilarious moments are where I've been using this method to ruin a game because I didn't want to play, and after the game ended I get a notification that a player I reported for flaming me, because I ruined his game, got banned.

27 Comments

Jo0o5 votes

They care, they're just not great at catching it.

Ph03n1xb1rd3 votes

Which means they don't care enough -> they don't really care. Punishing a very small percentage of these players doesn't really mean "caring" for me. It's like "we do something, so stfu"....

Kei1434 votes

The short term is to throw a tonne of human resources to manually review millions of games a day and punish those that are truly inting.

Long term, they certainly need a better detection method. Even if they do have statistics down, there are thing that take time to code, troubleshoot, dummy proof, making sure that the code is a decent enough blanket.

It won't make sense to make a code "check click location every 3 mins, if within 1500 units of enemy nexus and dies with no other action = inting", I can game that by clicking 1501 units away from the nexus instead.

Some things are easy for the human eye to see, but to put it in programming terms, it's not as easy to write in a logical manner.

Anastaecia4 votes

For the 1000th time, those 2 things are hard to detect. No one cares about your method. If you want to waste your own time to ruin other people's games, you must have a sad life. OH, you got banned for being toxic. No surprise.

Ph03n1xb1rd1 votes

"For the 1000th time, those 2 things are hard to detect. No one cares about your method."

I have to ask something, I have no intent to offend you, but I cant believe what you just said. Are you a bot or a mindless Rito fanboy?

You said, that no one cares about his method, in the previous sentence you said, that it is hard to detect. Do you HONESTLY think it's hard to detect somebody who presses enemy nexus every 3 minute and dies? Do you REALLY think this? Because I tell you, it's much easier to detect than the intent behind writing a "kys" in game. What if the guy wrote: "What does kys mean?" YOU think it's easier to detect the intent of the "kys" in that given sentence that the mindless trolling? REALLY?!

Míellá1 votes

{quoted}

"For the 1000th time, those 2 things are hard to detect. No one cares about your method."

I have to ask something, I have no intent to offend you, but I cant believe what you just said. Are you a bot or a mindless Rito fanboy?

You said, that no one cares about his method, in the previous sentence you said, that it is hard to detect. Do you HONESTLY think it's hard to detect somebody who presses enemy nexus every 3 minute and dies? Do you REALLY think this? Because I tell you, it's much easier to detect than the intent behind writing a "kys" in game. What if the guy wrote: "What does kys mean?" YOU think it's easier to detect the intent of the "kys" in that given sentence that the mindless trolling? REALLY?!

It is hard to detect, because inters doesn't get the automatic bot treatment, but a manuall treatment. If its manuall, its automaticlly harder to detect, because there are atleast 10k reports coming into the servers.

Ph03n1xb1rd1 votes

Just copy the important part here again, because the other reply will get deleted anyway (thanks censor Rito)!

"For the 1000th time, those 2 things are hard to detect. No one cares about your method."

You said, that no one cares about his method, in the previous sentence you said, that it is hard to detect. Do you HONESTLY think it's hard to detect somebody who presses enemy nexus every 3 minute and dies? Do you REALLY think this?

SparklingLama3 votes

Riot will only ban those that are toxic to intentional feeder and refuse to ban those that are trolling. Funny how people still don't know what warding is 3-5 years of playing this game. Some people are just stupid.

nelogis3 votes

con..gratulations? I guess?

Want a cake with "worlds best feeder" or something?

I once played a game of League and said "fck it!". So naturally I have launched my PC with my selfmade trebuchet over 300m across my neighbourhood. I got banned for being AFK and not for launching my PC with my selfmade trebuchet over 300m.

The system really does suck!

Ph03n1xb1rd1 votes

What do you want to say by this? From the viewpoint of the game, you were afk.

Or I just really don't get your point O.o

nelogis1 votes

If you actually think I have launched my PC with a trebuchet (a selfmade one at that) over 300m then I have bad news for you.

I wanted to point out that the system doesn't always find out what the hell you are doing. Feeding and having a really bad match can't be differenciated that well.

If you sharpen the feed / afk rules, innocent people will be caught in the crossfire and there are more innocent people than guilty ones.

Ph03n1xb1rd1 votes

If you actually think that I actually thought that, then I have bad news for you.

My point was that it doesn't matter why you afk:

  • If your cat just died
  • you poured molten tin in your ear
  • your house exploded
  • insert anything realistic or unrealistic here

it does NOT matter, you afked. And afkers deserve punishment. Nobody cares if you launched your PC 300m away or not. You get punished bc you are afk. This is why I didn't understand why would anybody care about what you actually did. It doesn't matter for your teammates, nor the game.

"If you sharpen the feed / afk rules, innocent people will be caught in the crossfire" - Lets say, you are really really really bad, and manage to get 0-20 in 30 min games multiple times. Do you think this shouldn't be punished? I don't mean permanent ban, I mean force him to win coop vs AI games. If he is really that bad, then practicing doesn't hurt anybody. And letting an idiot ruin the game for 9 ppl, while i'm sure that given idiot doesn't enjoy being 0-20, is totally pointless. FORCE him to get better. Would these kind of false positives on really noobs a bad thing? (I don't think so.)

But I'm mostly talkin' about ranked matches so I might be a little bit too competitive for anybody who plays only normals.

nelogis1 votes

Im just going to ignore that "I play only normals so why the fuck should I care comment"

tell me how to differenciate a guy playing bad and a feeder with following info:

Player 1:

Died 7 times in 15 minutes mostly mid lane 1 death bot.

Player 2:

Died 10 times in 22 minutes in top alone.

If you give the feeder AND the guy playing bad the punishment of playing coop then ok, if not tell me right here right now which one is the feeder, you have 30 seconds.

Edit: And no playing bad should never result in a punishment what?!

Ph03n1xb1rd2 votes

Don't get me wrong, if you are playing mostly normals, you are still welcome to comment. I didn't mean that players who play normals are inferior or anything, I just said, that my view on the whole problem is mainly from ranked side. It's even better to hear opinions from normal / aram side too.

I just said, that I would give them the coop play punishment. And the stats alone are not enough to decide if somebody trolled or not. 7 deaths in 15 minutes can be acceptable if he was babysitted the whole game, without any help from team. This is the same for the 10 death 22 min. Rito has the whole game replay, not only stats, so I can NOT decide if any of these players trolled or not, since you didn't give me any more information about these games. Show me replays of these games and I will tell you :)

nelogis1 votes

buddy we are playing the same game, an afk in a ranked or normal or aram is the exact same frustration to deal with. I also play rankeds by the way (Don't play ranked in the first month of a season, just a tip)

I think there lies your mistake. Riot doesn't check the whole replay and because of good reason. All the automated system sees is just absolute info.

  • Champion stats
  • Location of champion generally and deathlocations
  • Damage tanked
  • Gold income / CS
  • Build
  • etc.

The reason why the old system got replaced is as follows: The old system used actual humans to decide what should happen with a player. That worked with a small playerbase. The playerbase started growing and the reports started increasing. What it did was that there were no longer enough people in the tribunal punishing people (you needed 10 players to vote per report) so the reports started to stack. People got punished for stuff that happened MONTHS ago it was total chaos.

So as long as you can't make a system that is 99% of the time correct with the info above you can't sharpen the rules. Otherwise you would see houndreds and thousands of wrongfully banned players. Players that invested money into the game, players that did nothing wrong, players that just had a bad game, players that tried to reform. It isn't fair towards them and you know that too.

Ph03n1xb1rd3 votes

Look, I'm not really sure that you read what I wrote... And obviously its not the same experience at least for me. But it doesn't really matter.

Let me tell you what info the automated system can get about the game:

  • Location at any time
  • Gold at any time
  • CDs at any time
  • Items at any time
  • Stats at any time

The automated system has access to the whole game replay. EVERY information about the game. ALL OF THEM. So what you said is simply not true. An automated system can use the replay of the game. And idk how many times I have to tell you, the punishment for this should be light (until they make a totally accurate system). Punishing a bad player for playing bad is really a problem? The punishment forces him to play better and not ruin the game for others. With your logic when you are not allowed to play PvP in the first some level when you start a new account, that is also unfair right? Or why is that better?

nelogis1 votes

i don't know about "at any time" because the system doesn't watch every game, only those who got reported and flagged and dowloading the whole replay and sending it to the system seems pretty... ehh... too much data to go through (keep in mind the system has to act FAST and i mean FAST, max 30 seconds or so)

Giving all of them a "light" punishment would just encourage feeding more.... since now you cant get banned for it....

New players get locked out of PvP because they don't know how to play the game at all. Gotta teach the player how to play the game against stuff that more or less knows what its doing (Bots). There isnt much sense in putting 10 people that have absolutely no idea wtf they are doing into the same match, they arent going to learn much from eachother.

Ph03n1xb1rd4 votes

Sometimes ppl in plat ppl has absolutely no idea what the fck are they doing too, so this is not really a good argument.

PEOPLE TROLL NOW, BC THEY DONT GET PUNISHED. I have another account, just for trolling at least for 2 years... Light punishment > NOTHING. And if somebody trolls all his games, giving him 1 PVE game after every troll would reduce his trolling to the half.

The system doesn't have to be fast, the flame report system isn't fast either. It can have a day, nobody cares.

"only those who got reported and flagged and dowloading the whole replay and sending it to the system seems pretty... ehh... too much data to go through" - You realize I am talkin' about an automatic system, and the replays are stored ON THEIR OWN SERVERS. What the hell, man?

nelogis1 votes

there is a difference between "i missplayed that" and "how do i move my champion" "what is a blue buff"

Oh no they do get punished but I know what you mean, people buying 6 tears and running it down do get punished, people going afk get put into low prio queue.

You know which people don't get punished? The smarter ones

Instead of afk they walk around the base or around towers doing nothing They just farm your own jungle doing absolutely nothing else, no grouping, no helping Instead of running it down they go counterjungling 24/7 or just push a lane until they die and most importantly they dont type, so you cant even get them on toxicity.

Those are the ones that the system cant get without collateral damage Those are the ones that you want to get

When making everything "light" even the stupid ones get a free to go card

No it HAS to be fast, otherwise the reports stack again and you get punished for stuff you did months ago

Well the system still has to go through the data right? doesnt matter where it is stored... having to go through a 60min game is still going through a 60min game no matter where it is stored.

Im afraid to tell you this but there isnt a simple solution, if there was a simple solution it would have been done already, if you are a programmer write a code the system can use to detect the smarter ones better¨, if not.... you gotta trust Riot that they are doing their best to write one even if it is not enough... not everything has an happy end

Ph03n1xb1rd1 votes

Okay, so lets see what you say. You say that the "smart" trolls don't get punished (actually I take this as a compliment :D ), but why? It's still not so hard to find out, F.e: if you push your lane and die, all game, you will have almost 0 percent kill participation. Gettin' punished for something you did 1 month ago is still better than nothing. I didn't say, they should totally eradicate the current system, but in first start these 2 things parallel. (BTW 6 tear is easy to detect with automated system too, so just perma them).

Going through a 60min game can be 1-2 second, depending how deep the automated system looks into the data, so what are you talkin about?

There is NO collateral damage with light "punishment":

  • You SUCK? Go practice VS bots!
  • You troll? Go chill VS bots!
nelogis1 votes

the same happens if the enemy jungler camps you 24/7 and you end up 0/8/0 both have 0% kill participation, both have died only top

Buddy it stacks up even more at some point it is going to be 2 months then 4 then 6 then a whole year its never going to stop stacking

no punishment is ever a straight perma, everyone can reform riot has a "second chance" policy in that regard (unless DDos or using thrid party programs aka scripts)

well for the thing you want it would have to analize every SECOND of the game and all infos to that second.... so its a shit ton of data

yes there is no collateral damage but also no punishment for the stupid ones anymore.

You have to see it like this: how many times have you reported someone in a coop game? im sorry but i dont give a damn what happens there, all 4 teammates can go afk for all i care since enemy bots go afk then too...

so you dont get reported in coop games as often

so you just start the coop game and sit in the base afk until its done and boom "punishment" is over

if someone reports you, you just do the same until its over

most humans are pieces of shit who will find a way to avoid it, trust me

Edit: well "smart" you just dont have to be a total dumbass and make it obvious

SSJTribe1 votes

That's part of the issue, you don't get to see the games. There are likely thousands of games per hour every day, it is not possible to manually review every single one of them.

It doesn't help that people use the "intentional feeding" report on people who aren't feeding either. For example, a 12/5/8 ADC who gets caught out when the game is on the line will get reported for feeding since his death caused the loss in the end. It's sad, but it confuses the system, leading to a smaller number of actual feeders getting banned.

Ph03n1xb1rd1 votes
  1. I was talking about an automated system.
  2. A 12-5-8 adc can be inting, if he intentionally throws the last TF, for example just walks down mid. And this might not get caught by an automated system, happens. But catching SOME is still far better than catching almost nothing.
Telephone Booth1 votes

{quoted}

If you actually think that I actually thought that, then I have bad news for you.

My point was that it doesn't matter why you afk:

  • If your cat just died
  • you poured molten tin in your ear
  • your house exploded
  • insert anything realistic or unrealistic here

it does NOT matter, you afked. And afkers deserve punishment. Nobody cares if you launched your PC 300m away or not. You get punished bc you are afk. This is why I didn't understand why would anybody care about what you actually did. It doesn't matter for your teammates, nor the game.

"If you sharpen the feed / afk rules, innocent people will be caught in the crossfire" - Lets say, you are really really really bad, and manage to get 0-20 in 30 min games multiple times. Do you think this shouldn't be punished? I don't mean permanent ban, I mean force him to win coop vs AI games. If he is really that bad, then practicing doesn't hurt anybody. And letting an idiot ruin the game for 9 ppl, while i'm sure that given idiot doesn't enjoy being 0-20, is totally pointless. FORCE him to get better. Would these kind of false positives on really noobs a bad thing? (I don't think so.)

But I'm mostly talkin' about ranked matches so I might be a little bit too competitive for anybody who plays only normals.

And I mean, who hasn't poured molten tin in their ear, amirite? That's how you become a man!

Ph03n1xb1rd2 votes

Yep, sadly this is the case. I have another account where I troll almost every 2nd or 3rd ranked game, yet that account is still fine. And my main got banned bc I asked inters to stop playing ranked xD

ModPeriscope2 votes

So you've been punished before and demonstrate a clear bias in your post.

Why should we believe you?

How do you know you've been reported "hundreds of times?" Because you don't know.

This post is garbage, bunk, and balderdash.

Telephone Booth1 votes

Okay... can we get that proof now? Is your proof just you saying it? I mean, if you're being honest, sure you've proven it to yourself... but we haven't seen that proof. You could be lying. Millions of liars online. I guess I will have to try your technique until actual proof comes along. When you title a thread "with proof", you don't just give an anecdote as proof lol.

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