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Riot, please. This is just so absurd. It's ILLEGAL everywhere else, why is it ok in your game?

Pallipower··3 votes·3,255 views

I hope it's clear to you how concerned I really am about this. So much so that while I want to play the game I simply do not have the energy to have to deal with the 90% of people who will begin flaming either after you die once or they do, often times even becoming angry when you make a simple request such as, "Please try, even with the lag" or "Please play safer". Like I said, it all really comes down to this Riot. Why is this acceptable? Don't tell me it's not, because if it wasn't it wouldn't be around. I've played online games for years and years, long before you ever even existed, and I never had to worry about this with any of them. Why is it only you Riot? Is it laziness? Are you too cheap to hire a small team to actually provide community oversight? Do you just not care? I could take completely reasonable stabs in the dark all day but I would love to hear an answer from someone within this utterly confused and clearly unable to control their players company. "One punishment is usually enough to keep players from..." blah blah blah. I don't believe that, none of my friends or followers do and I know you don't either. Toxic assholes will be toxic assholes whether you temp-ban them or not. How many times (just the times that were recorded, I'm quite sure that's only a small percentage even) was someone banned for flaming only to immediately make another account, queue for a game, and resume the flaming all the same? If you are so ignorant that you think that is an isolated incident then I don't really know why I'm even wasting the time to type any of this out. NEWS FLASH: That is what EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM DOES! And go ahead and come back with, "well if they keep doing it eventually they get an IP ban". Oh yeah? Eventually? So how many times am I allowed to call someone a "Useless %%%got piece of shit that should uninstall and kill themselves." before I get in trouble? How many different accounts in how many different games would i have to RUIN for 9 other people trying to actually play before you took any action at all? How many people would have to actually listen to me and go kill themselves before you pull your heads out of your asses and realize that this kind of behavior is not acceptable anywhere else on this planet and that it should not be accepted in any form, for any reason, in a video game? I sincerely hope soon before you have blood on your hands. I really do. Hell Riot, put me in charge. You want to be verbally abusive on the Rift? First time, 1 week ban. You want to keep it up? Hope you didn't like this game very much because that's a permanent IP ban. Take it from someone who has played since S3, received the top 10% honor badges and has maybe been reported two or three times in the entirety of that time, and I question the validity of those, that it just not that hard to not be an asshole. It's really not. The fact that Riot seems to think that being a normal human being is such a challenge for most people that they would allow people to behave in this way over, and over, and over, and over and over again is nothing short of sickening. And the first person that comments "just mute them" is just a sick as Riot. Really? So what you're telling me is that instead of removing abusive players from the game, those of us that are tired of it and or just don't want to hear it should have to alter the way we play in order to accommodate them, you sheep?

EDIT: Upon doing a couple hours of deep research into Riot and their business practices, talking to several correspondents in the process, I was able to attain some new information. As it were, they are doing a lot in the background that is never mentioned for some reason, which if this entire forum post doesn't prove, is a grievous oversight. People are not going to spend that level of time to research and moreover most people don't have the same people to get in touch with to get this information. They will go on what they perceive, as I did. If Riot would at least give us long time players who have had to run the gambit of verbal harassment from "your mama" jokes to "kill yourself and uninstall" the slightest hint that they actually are working very hard to deal with it, things like this might be avoided. At any rate, I harbor no resentment against Riot in the end for this now that I do know they are actually trying. I just wish the common player knew that.

118 Comments

ModThe Djinn12 votes

The problem is that IP bans are very easy to circumvent, and risk harming innocent players who makes share a network or a cybercafe with toxic players. It's not a good solution.

Riot does crack down heavily on many forms of abuse, some of which are subject to the two strikes and you're out policy you mentioned. A quick look through these forums will show you that there are many players who have received a two-week ban on a first offense for behavior that is truly unacceptable, and it looks like this is started to include severe abuse and not just Zero Tolerance words.

Short of Ip bands, which, as mentioned, aren't efficient, what else would you suggest?

Pallipower1 votes

Thank you very much for taking the time to read and formulate a thoughtful response. I sincerely appreciate that. You raise a good point. I'm not sure how they would circumvent that but I am aware that other games have managed to do so, with significantly less gross revenue than Riot. I just feel like they simply do not care as long as they keep getting our money. Maybe a more pragmatic (and probably even better) solution would be permanent chat mutes for verbal abuse. That's all I'm really interested in, hence the Illegal part of the title. If people want to be rude i couldn't care less, but facts are facts. Verbal abuse and gas-lighting are illegal and they go on utterly regularly in almost every League match.

ModThe Djinn5 votes

{quoted}I'm not sure how they would circumvent that but I am aware that other games have managed to do so, with significantly less gross revenue than Riot.

Do you have an examples? Additionally, Riot has an unusual problem in that a high portion of their player base is on shared networks (such as colleges) or uses cyber cafes (it's super common in the Asian market), so while it may work for other companies it's really not a feasible solution for them.

I just feel like they simply do not care as long as they keep getting our money.

Having talked to many Rioters and interviewed there a few times, I can tell you with 100% certainty that this is untrue. Everyone I met there is super passionate about the game and the playerbase, and they are actively trying, at all times, to make the best game and community they can. This may not be entirely obvious from the outside, but I've legitimately never seen a company where everyone seemed as invested in their product and their community as I did there.

Remember -- EVERYONE at Riot plays the game at least a bit, and a lot of them play it really actively. They're members of the community as much as we are, and they experience all the negative and positive bits of it that we do. It's definitely untrue to say they don't care.

Maybe a more pragmatic (and probably even better) solution would be permanent chat mutes for verbal abuse.

They tried that, actually -- all it did was increase other forms of toxicity, and it didn't even reduce verbal toxicity that much. That was actually a long-term, wide-reaching experiment that led us to where we are now in terms of how the punishment system works.

Verbal abuse and gas-lighting are illegal and they go on utterly regularly in almost every League match.

Whether or not it's a crime actually varies based on location, local laws, how plausible the threat is, etc. I won't pretend to be a legal expert, but I do know the situation is much more complicated than "it's illegal."

Pallipower1 votes

Again I thank you. And i do not hate Riot at all. I champion Riot in much the same way and frankly, I'm just a bit irritated at them. I know they really do care, and they really do try significantly more than most other companies when it comes to their players. Maybe it's just a situation of "It's not exactly how I want it and therefore it's ruined". I just don't understand why they can not come up with a way to actually keep people from acting this way. And it's not unique to any elo. It almost gets worse the higher you go, the bigger the egos get. Perhaps on this spot in this moment I can not come up with a better solution but the facts are that it is in a horrible state. Just popping onto this page to write this for 3 seconds i noticed more than a few "This community sucks"esque posts. And there are people at Riot who make mountains of money that are supposed to be working on this but it seems like ever since the tribunal went that they're just been comfortable to sit on their laurels and let it continue and shrug their shoulders. And It's hard for me to be ok with that.

Pallipower1 votes

Even games where Phreak is in and literally sees flaming before his own eyes he laughs at it. The only time he ever takes action is if they speak against him.

ModThe Djinn5 votes

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Even games where Phreak is in and literally sees flaming before his own eyes he laughs at it. The only time he ever takes action is if they speak against him.

Which is actually frankly okay -- the fact that he doesn't step in and manually override the system is a good thing, in my opinion.

TiltoverEnforcer2 votes

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Even games where Phreak is in and literally sees flaming before his own eyes he laughs at it. The only time he ever takes action is if they speak against him.

As he should. All he has to do is report them after the game, and the game will be flagged for review, and appropriate action will be taken. There's no need for Phreak to do anything.

Infernape1 votes

There's no need for Phreak to do anything.

Well he could do tons of damage

######ok I'll see myself out now

ModThe Djinn5 votes

{quoted}Maybe it's just a situation of "It's not exactly how I want it and therefore it's ruined"

It sounds a little like that. :P

I just don't understand why they can not come up with a way to actually keep people from acting this way.

Because Riot can't control people. No company can. You can't proactively identify someone as toxic before they've proved they are and, even if you could, punishing someone BEFORE a crime has been committed requires PROOF that they were going to commit a crime.

And there are people at Riot who make mountains of money that are supposed to be working on this but it seems like ever since the tribunal went that they'e just been comfortable to sit on their laurels and let it continue and shrug their shoulders.

What you miss is that we don't see improvements to the system's accuracy. It's behind the scenes improvements, but they're there. I promise you the behavior team isn't just sitting around sipping drinks: they're actively working on improving the system, developing initiatives like the honor system to encourage good behavior, and so forth.

Pallipower1 votes

I know but when the abusive issue is so at the forefront, why is all the fixing it in the background? Maybe if they would even acknowledge what a problem it is and come out and say, "Yes, we are going to fix this. We understand nobody plays a video game to be talked down to, and we will do our best to make sure the occurrences lessen or stop entirely." or anything...When your playerbase has a problem, and I respect that you might not think it as such, but a lot of us do, it seems very dismissive to ignore it.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

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I know but when the abusive issue is so at the forefront, why is all the fixing it in the background? Maybe if they would even acknowledge what a problem it is and come out and say, "Yes, we are going to fix this. We understand nobody plays a video game to be talked down to, and we will do our best to make sure the occurrences lessen or stop entirely." or anything...When your playerbase has a problem, and I respect that you might not think it as such, but a lot of us do, it seems very dismissive to ignore it.

They have said that, just perhaps not as frequently as you would like or in the specific words you would like. :)

Pallipower1 votes

Yes, i recall the one time i heard them say it too. But I could tell you right now that by the time you read this I'll be on the moon. I won't, but I can say it. I expect some sort of tangible action to back up those words. If there are no tangible actions, the words are just that. Words. And Riot wears a kingly crown when it comes to talking a huge game. Maybe you've heard things told to you personally in interviews that the general public or to a more specific extent, me, would never hear. Maybe their words inspire you with confidence. But in years and years of playing I have seen very little action. A great game to be fair, where every 2 weeks several items and champions are re-balanced to keep the game fun and interesting. It just seems to me that if they can literally remake their game every season, it shouldn't be that hard to put a tiny bit of that effort into coming up with a proper and effective system of punishment.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

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Yes, i recall the one time i heard them say it too. But I could tell you right now that by the time you read this I'll be on the moon. I won't, but I can say it. I expect some sort of tangible action to back up those words. If there are no tangible actions, the words are just that. Words. And Riot wears a kingly crown when it comes to talking a huge game. Maybe you've heard things told to you personally in interviews that the general public or to a more specific extent, me, would never hear. Maybe their words inspire you with confidence. But in years and years of playing I have seen very little action. A great game to be fair, where every 2 weeks several items and champions are re-balanced to keep the game fun and interesting. It just seems to me that if they can literally remake their game every season, it shouldn't be that hard to put a tiny bit of that effort into coming up with a proper and effective system of punishment.

I think you're ignoring the definite improvements we have seen. The punishment system now is faster, more accurate, and learns from what the community reports. The honor system now offers rewards to players as an incentive to not be toxic. The new queuing system allows you to select roles and reduces fighting for those roles. Giving each player a ban reduces frustration on fighting when someone doesn't band the champion you wanted them to. Trinkets for everyone reduces pressure on the support to be the only one warding.

These are all changes that help to reduce toxicity, although many of them serve other purposes as well.

It would also be helpful for you to share what you think they could be doing, rather than saying they're not doing enough. What visible action would you like to see them take? What sort of system would make you feel like they're doing productive work? Right now it feels like you want to see all toxicity eliminated, and that anything less means that Riot has not been trying or improving, which feels a little unrealistic.

Pallipower1 votes

You're citing changes that, while they may have reduced toxicity, were NOT made to do so. Perhaps the only one that could have been (that I don't know wasn't changed specifically to balance pro play) are the bans, though I can totally assume that was for the benefit of the pros too. I want to see changes SPECIFICALLY targeting toxic players. I want Riot to make it 100% clear that it will not be tolerated and that you will not play their game if you can't behave yourself. I just don't think that's too much to ask. As I've said, plenty of other games have managed that.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

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You're citing changes that, while they may have reduced toxicity, were NOT made to do so. Perhaps the only one that could have been (that I don't know wasn't changed specifically to balance pro play) are the bans, though I can totally assume that was for the benefit of the pros too. I want to see changes SPECIFICALLY targeting toxic players. I want Riot to make it 100% clear that it will not be tolerated and that you will not play their game if you can't behave yourself. I just don't think that's too much to ask. As I've said, plenty of other games have managed that.

I guess I'm just a little bit confused. Riot has a reputation for having one of the strongest antitoxic stances of a major game company. The Riot system is the one many other games, like OverWatch, are beginning to emulate precisely because it takes such a strong line against toxicity. Few other major games are as willing to permanently ban players. What other games are you thinking about when you say that Riot is lagging behind the curve when it comes to dealing with player behavior? Because I'm legitimately having trouble thinking of one.

And yes, those changes all did other things, but the behavior team doesn't work only by itself. They regularly interact with other teams and projects to see if they can deliver on their goals alongside with other launches.

Pallipower1 votes

I don't know how many other online games you've played but I've played a lot and this community is by far and away the worst thing i have ever experienced. Maybe this will clear it up for you. I've played Runescape, World of Warcraft, Starcraft 2, Eve online, Elite Dangerous Online, Tabula Rasa, Rift, among many others. I didn't have to put up with hate speech in any of those games. Every dungeon i queued with random people I never had to be concerned that someone would take 4 steps in the wrong direction and the chat would devolve into flaming and hatred. Someone fucked up, they said "my bad" and everything went on. Maybe it was because those games took a more hands on approach to actually stopping it, I don't know. It was never a problem so I never researched them. And granted, most of those games have no playerbase in comparison to League. But Starcraft 2 in it's hayday definitely did, and i NEVER not even ONE TIME got flamed in that game.

PresBushDid7111 votes

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I don't know how many other online games you've played but I've played a lot and this community is by far and away the worst thing i have ever experienced. Maybe this will clear it up for you. I've played Runescape, World of Warcraft, Starcraft 2, Eve online, Elite Dangerous Online, Tabula Rasa, Rift, among many others. I didn't have to put up with hate speech in any of those games. Every dungeon i queued with random people I never had to be concerned that someone would take 4 steps in the wrong direction and the chat would devolve into flaming and hatred. Someone fucked up, they said "my bad" and everything went on. Maybe it was because those games took a more hands on approach to actually stopping it, I don't know. It was never a problem so I never researched them. And granted, most of those games have no playerbase in comparison to League. But Starcraft 2 in it's hayday definitely did, and i NEVER not even ONE TIME got flamed in that game.

I also played eve online, if I had the time to invest it would still be my go to game.

Eve is not comparable to this at all. First starters you have to pay for the game. Secondly, the player base is an entirely different (read older) make up.

Likewise, you don't have to ever use public chat in game, and in fact in the more lucrative areas of the game it is frowned upon (i.e. wh space). Hell I could take my stratios out for some hunting for a week straight and never type a single letter in public chat.

Fyi to those unfamiliar with the game, in WH space the "public chat" which normally shows who is in a system, shows no one. So unless scouted out, the only way for anyone to know if anyone else is in the system would be to foolishly type in the public chat which then alerts everyone.

So please for the love of Eve, drop them from your comparrison. You are comparing a MOBA that REQUIRES you to interact with others to a game where you can literally be "off the radar" for weeks at a time.

Pallipower1 votes

No bud, I don't think you crossed any lines in terms of what you're allowed to do. I just don't see what possible enjoyment any individual could get out of picking apart something they clearly have no interest in anyway just to mock the op? I really don't get it. Maybe you can explain it to me. I read something i don't agree with, think, "I don't agree with that" and move on with my life. I don't write the publisher and tell him how wrong he is for having that opinion.

Pallipower2 votes

Hey. I just wanted to genuinely thank you for being one of the few that wanted to have a legitimate real discussion about this. You prompted me to do a significant amount more research about Riot and you make acceptable points. They aren't just sitting around doing nothing. Maybe it's shitty of me to say that since they're not succeeding like I want that they aren't trying, especially when they are indeed one of the best actual companies on this planet with more integrity in their pinky finger than all the AAA developers in the world do in their entire bodies. I appreciate you helping me to see through my anger and giving me a reason to dig deeply into the subject and get to really know what's going on. And there is a LOT going on they don't tell anyone about, but I personally think that might be a mistake. It would give people like me and others that have been playing and dealing with toxicity across the entire spectrum for years at least the idea that these things are happening rather than allowing us to think they don't care. I'm plain proof. People aren't going to spend 2 hours reading about your company and practices to find out the actual facts, they're just going to go off what they perceive, as I did. Again, thank you friend. You are one of the people this community needs to keep and hold onto like grim death. <3

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}Hey. I just wanted to genuinely thank you for being one of the few that wanted to have a legitimate real discussion about this. * -[snip]-* I appreciate you helping me to see through my anger and giving me a reason to dig deeply into the subject and get to really know what's going on.

Any time! That's what I'm here for. :)

And there is a LOT going on they don't tell anyone about, but I personally think that might be a mistake.

On this point I somewhat agree. I think a lot of times calling out the behavioral benefits of new features -- even those that don't SEEM behavior-focused -- would help people realize the effort Riot puts into this. There's definitely room for improvement on how Riot handles toxicity and showing their anti-toxicity actions.

Again, thank you friend. You are one of the people this community needs to keep and hold onto like grim death. <3

Thanks!

[galio-happy]

Beas7ie8 votes

It's ILLEGAL everywhere else?

Please post links to these government legislation and/or decrees that were passed that made it outright illegal to flame.

Pallipower1 votes

I'm very sorry you don't know that verbal abuse is illegal. Here's the wiki article...I'd thank you for your response but...no. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_abuse Ill save you a bit of a read. "Verbal abuse includes the following: Abusive anger, accusing or blaming, denial, judgement, criticism, trivialization of their own mistakes, name calling, ordering, undermining..." just to name a few. And if you're so blind or so ignorant to pretend none of that happens in League, I'm not sure why you even commented here except to make my point that even on the forums people will flame things they disagree with just to get their jollies.

DrCyanide3 votes

Verbal abuse is about a relationship. You don't have a relationship with the random players you're matched with and see once or at most twice. Please find something else to use for claiming it's illegal.

Pallipower1 votes

Would you like me to link the Wikipedia for relationship as well? Any time you're dealing with another person for any reason for any period of time, you have a relationship. We have a relationship right now. I'm sorry to inform you of this, but words CAN mean more than one thing.

DrCyanide4 votes

No, I'd need you to link me to a legal definition of a relationship and a legal definition of verbal abuse. For something to be illegal it has to break those definitions, not Wikipedia definitions.

Pallipower1 votes

Ok friend. Walk up to someone on the street, spew some hate-speech at them, call them a ***got. See how quick the police come and haul you away. Even if they're not your girlfriend.

DrCyanide2 votes

But would the charge be verbal abuse, or would it be disorderly conduct? My money's on disorderly conduct, but I'd rather avoid the trial and error approach.

Instead, I'm going to maintain that the burden of proof for this lays with you. You need to find what law covers online interaction with strangers that you'll likely never run into again.

Beas7ie1 votes

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I'm very sorry you don't know that verbal abuse is illegal. Here's the wiki article...I'd thank you for your response but...no. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_abuse Ill save you a bit of a read. "Verbal abuse includes the following: Abusive anger, accusing or blaming, denial, judgement, criticism, trivialization of their own mistakes, name calling, ordering, undermining..." just to name a few. And if you're so blind or so ignorant to pretend none of that happens in League, I'm not sure why you even commented here except to make my point that even on the forums people will flame things they disagree with just to get their jollies.

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and since you like posting links around.

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/14436/what-is-the-difference-between-illegal-and-unlawful

Pallipower1 votes

If anyone has missed the point here it's you friend. Why are you trying to argue the difference between illegal and unlawful? I'm talking about verbal harassment, which is real and exists in league of legends, IN league of legends...And thank you for the 2nd time proving my point with a personal insult. Pretend it wasn't, if you're so cowardly to do so, but it was. And this is a dead post anyway, read the edit.

Blutseuche1 votes

verbal

The sharing of information between individuals by using speech.

Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/verbal-communication.html

Youre wrong again. We dont use verbal speech in this game since we dont have voice chat.

Also we cant use personal insults cause were literally strangers.

TrulyBland1 votes

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/verbal

of, relating to, or consisting of words

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/verbal

Relating to or in the form of words.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/verbal

of or relating to words

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/verbal

relating to words

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/verbal

of, relating to, or using words, esp as opposed to ideas, etc

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/verbal

Of, relating to, or associated with words

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/verbal

of or relating to or formed from words in general

Not that I agree with OP's general stance, but picking one single definition of a word within one specific context ("verbal communication", rather than "verbal harassment" or just "verbal") really doesn't prove OP wrong. And in this case OP is 100% correct. Verbal can imply spoken rather than written... but it can also just be used to describe virtually anything related to words. Including verbal abuse as opposed to physical abuse.

Pallipower1 votes

Thank you friend, I appreciate you taking the time to explain this to people when I had no interest in doing so. You're a good person to want to educate the ignorant masses.

Blutseuche1 votes

This is for verbal. I talk about verbal communication, which is in fact about speech.

TrulyBland1 votes

The only person who brought up verbal communication is you, though, which makes its definition pretty much entirely irrelevant.

It also still doesn't make it correct. If verbal can mean "of, relating to, or associated with words", then clearly verbal communication can mean "communication of, relating to, or associated with words".

Edit:

http://www.yourdictionary.com/verbal-communication

(linguistics) The process of sending and receiving messages with words, including writing and sign language.

https://thebusinesscommunication.com/what-is-verbal-communication-and-non-verbal-communication/

When messages or information is exchanged or communicated through words is called verbal communication.

Hell, one of the links I gave you has "verbal communication" as a fricking example of meaning "of, relating to, or consisting of words":

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/verbal

Language is very often very ambiguous... but in this case you are simply wrong. Verbal communication can mean spoken communication, but it can also simply mean communication with the help of words.

Blutseuche1 votes

Well, if you think so.

Beas7ie1 votes

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If anyone has missed the point here it's you friend. Why are you trying to argue the difference between illegal and unlawful? I'm talking about verbal harassment, which is real and exists in league of legends, IN league of legends...And thank you for the 2nd time proving my point with a personal insult. Pretend it wasn't, if you're so cowardly to do so, but it was. And this is a dead post anyway, read the edit.

You have ILLEGAL in big and bold in the title. Meaning that you have implied that there is some official government legislation passed that makes it LITERALLY( as in really for for real) ILLEGAL to abuse others in chat(as in you can actually be fined, arrested, and prosecuted for saying things like "Fuck you noob, you're a worthless piece of shit)

And in this regard you are wrong. This type of abuse is NOT illegal and you will NOT be prosecuted by police except for that one extreme case where that one guy was so horrible he was really trying to get people to kill themselves.

It IS a violation of Riot's rules, however and if you see it in game then the best thing you can do is keep your cool and report them after the game. They WILL be punished.

I also fail to see where I gave you a "personal insult". Can you point that exact instance, because saying that something went over someone's head, thus they "missed the point" is NOT an insult all on itself. Now if I posted something like "OMG you're such a dumbass you completely missed the point!" then yes, you would be correct in calling that a personal insult, but I did NOT use such language and thus there were no personal insults.

At least none from me.

Pallipower1 votes

I'm very much over it but you went to an extreme length to illustrate just what an idiot I was because I used "smart" instead of "intelligent". My bad. Like I said, lie if it makes you feel better but you're fooling nobody but yourself.

Beas7ie1 votes

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I'm very much over it but you went to an extreme length to illustrate just what an idiot I was because I used "smart" instead of "intelligent". My bad. Like I said, lie if it makes you feel better but you're fooling nobody but yourself.

Don't be ridiculous, I would NEVER insult you for using "smart" instead of "intelligent". I might snicker a little bit behind your back if you used "cunning" and give a "Ha!" if you used "clever" but NEVER for "smart".

Also the examples you used are very incorrect and there is a HUGE difference between using "smart" and "intelligent" and "Illegal" vs "just against the rules".

You break the rules someplace, and you're just subject to the disciplinary measures of that establishment up to just getting booted out or fired if you work there. That's about as far as they can go. If you do something ILLEGAL then that involves police, attorneys, judges and could end up with you going to prison, and not just local jail, but hardcore buttrape prison depending on the crime, so it matters.

In this case, abusing someone in game via chat can lead to reports against you and restrictions by Riot from a chat restriction up to a permaban, but that's about as far as they can go. Cussing out someone in chat isn't ILLEGAL so a SWAT team won't bust down your door and haul you away for saying something like "You stupid fucking feeder noob, you're worthless shit!"

Still have no idea about how I'm lying. I suspect you're just trying to troll one. I award you 3/10 for getting me to reply.

Kei1435 votes

I think you should take steps first to properly paragraph your post.

Pallipower1 votes

Why would I? It's all one paragraph. Plus this isn't high school. Thanks for making my point though that even on the forums people will come flame for literally no reason whatsoever. I mean, at least if you added something to the conversation you contributed but you literally take the time to type that out? For what reason? Fun? Does it make you feel special to pick apart grammar on a forum post which you clearly have no interest in?

Kei1434 votes

It's not for no reason. I don't care about proper grammer, I just want it to be easier on my eyes when I read it.

I see a block of text, I won't be bothered to read it. If I don't read it, then there is nothing to contribute.

My contribution is a suggestion for you to change formatting, making it easier for others to read.

Pallipower1 votes

Well it's fine, but if you "wont be bothered to read it" and have "...nothing to contribute" why are you here i suppose would be my question? Move on.

Tokogawaruf2 votes

to make it easier for your future posts to get read in the first place.

If something is important enough for you to post it, wouldnt you also want People here to read and discuss it? Or prefer them to "move on" instantly because of the missing format.

Also this is really hard to read, breaking a long text into small Texts, preferable with specific points, works wonders

Example of an extremly well formatted Text: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/vyRpaO67-does-into-the-abyss-affect-nautilus The Topic here isnt important, just the format

LocatedEagle2321 votes

I was talking about league at a chess club meeting and a Dota2 player was trying to make conversation and said "So, what's your main?" And I'm like "Draven... but I'm not a huge loltyerl1 fan." and he's like "uhh I think I've heard of him but why do you need to say that?" I tell him "Because he got banned for being toxic"

He just laughed at me.

He said he's never heard of that before and his friend yells over "yeah, I don't think you can get banned for that in Dota..."

I don't know if this is true, but a lot of people don't care that someone's being a dick.

Use the mute option, I know I need to start doing that more :S

PresBushDid7113 votes

{quoted}

I was talking about league at a chess club meeting and a Dota2 player was trying to make conversation and said "So, what's your main?" And I'm like "Draven... but I'm not a huge loltyerl1 fan." and he's like "uhh I think I've heard of him but why do you need to say that?" I tell him "Because he got banned for being toxic"

He just laughed at me.

He said he's never heard of that before and his friend yells over "yeah, I don't think you can get banned for that in Dota..."

I don't know if this is true, but a lot of people don't care that someone's being a dick.

Use the mute option, I know I need to start doing that more :S

Aye, DOTA only throws bans out for things like hacking and such.

Instead, players are thrown into prisoners island. A magical place where everyone is toxic (if you were only mildly toxic you won't be after that hell hole).

Pallipower2 votes

NOW THAT is an idea. Let the toxic people keep playing but give them their own queues to toxic it up in. I love it. Thank you for finally contributing in a worthwhile way to this conversation. I knew we'd find common ground if we just kept at it. And I didnt wanna scroll up to find out where you said it but if -14 is "massively downvoted" then i've seen some shiners in my day that you just wouldn't even be able to wrap your head around.

Karunamon1 votes

Let the toxic people keep playing but give them their own queues to toxic it up in.

Riot already disclaimed this idea. Statistically, most players check themselves after their first punishment, while throwing them in permanently with all the other abusive jerks would just ensure that they never get out.

Pallipower1 votes

Exactly. They never should get out. Plain and simple. If I'm an asshole because I expect real tangible punishment for actions taken against the laws of the governing body of whatever avenue you're pursuing then everyone else in the world is too. If you steal a candy bar you can go to jail for up to a year. Damn stiff. But not a lot of folks stealing candy bars either.

Karunamon1 votes

Your idea creates more overall toxicity in the game. If all it takes to get someone to behave themselves going forward is a light slap on the wrist (and again, the numbers prove it does), there's no reason to go all old testament on someone the first time they have a bad game.

GoodLilRabbit1 votes

I got threatened with rape in a Dota2 game. Because sometimes on the internet voice chat + being female = rape. Yyyeah, I feel like Riot is a lot more responsive when I report someone for similar offenses. shrug Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal; take it with a grain of salt. =)

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