Why can you be queued with someone you just reported?

Anime9001·Aug 18, 2017·63 votes·3,444 views

Thanks to this I have a good 15 minutes to spare, so I'll just explain my situation here. The last game I played, my team got fairly stomped. After around 20 minutes or so, after the surrender failed 3 to 2, our Amumu went to the fountain, and began just moving every few minutes, restarting the surrender vote whenever he could. After I watched long enough to know for sure he was AFKing, I said "You may have given up Amumu, but the rest of us haven't yet." After I said this, he went off complaining about how horrible we all were at this game. I, for one, was 0-6 by the end of the game on Singed. Yeah, not good, I know. Still had 3rd to most cs in game and second most damage on team, because we were stomped, but still. It's only fair to include that.

So, after the game I reported him for him being AFK and his negative attitude, and I re-queue. Honestly, I had a bad feeling in my gut, but I went ahead with it. So, next game I see that I'm queued up with him again. He starts off the chat saying hello to me, and hovering my singed. It was fairly obvious what was happening. Then banning my Singed...... and I'm a one-trick. After this, I figured it'd be best if I dodged this queue, for multiple reasons. I began to start warning my would-be teammates about who they were about to be playing with, and then the queue kicked me for not banning a champ (I thought since you could ban no one, you could just not ban someone to do that. Never tried before. That was my bad). After this, due to me leaving a different queue a while back (for completely different reasons), I got his with a 30 minute wait time for my next game.

So, I just want to ask.....why is it set up so you can re-queue with someone you've reported Especially someone you JUST reported? Like, I could almost understand if you were re-queued on the opponent's team, but on the same team? It's like Riot is literally asking for the person you reported to troll you? I'm certain I can't be the only one this could have happened to. I know that not all of this is not my fault (obviously I didn't play that well that game, even if most of my deaths came after they were fed in a 4v5), but this is a situation that should really never occur, and has had a direct negative repercussion as a result.....

37 Comments

Kitty Cat ToshaAug 18, 201717 votes

Because it would mess up matchmaking, especially in higher ELO's. Google the story of that widowmaker player that matchmaking could not find games for in overwatch because everyone had blocked him because he was too good.

I usually wait about 10 minutes before I queue again if I just reported someone, so I have less chance of seeing him again.

AenaeusAug 18, 20175 votes

Because it would mess up matchmaking, especially in higher ELO's.

I'm in Silver 4 though.

Starcraft243verAug 18, 20174 votes

so ? When does high elo starts ? Plat ? Diamond ? Master ?

Same rules for everyone.

HalcyonDwellerAug 18, 20173 votes

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so ? When does high elo starts ? Plat ? Diamond ? Master ?

When the pool of available players within your skill range becomes small enough for that to actually impact queue times.

Same rules for everyone.

That's a stupid reason to preserve this rule. Queues behave differently for high and low elo players due to the difference in player density at each skill level. If player density is high enough at a certain level, it should prevent you from getting the same player again after you report them.

Br0nz3 V Smurf Aug 19, 20171 votes

If that were the case than ranked decay wouldn't start in gold

SilmarilAug 18, 20171 votes

I'm not so sure it's about matchmaking (it probably wouldn't have much effect outside of high ELO's) so much as Riot doesn't want to incentivize players reporting others for illegitimate reasons (ie; being bad).

It runs the risks of both increasing the number of fake bans and making it harder to ban real trolls (since people who would abuse the system would have their legitimate reports ignored).

HalcyonDwellerAug 18, 20171 votes

Simple enough to punish players for intentionally mis-using the report system.

And if they dilute their ban worth by abusing the system then they have nobody but themselves to blame when they can't get a toxic player banned.

FütanariAug 18, 20173 votes

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Because it would mess up matchmaking, especially in higher ELO's. Google the story of that widowmaker player that matchmaking could not find games for in overwatch because everyone had blocked him because he was too good.

I usually wait about 10 minutes before I queue again if I just reported someone, so I have less chance of seeing him again.

Yeah well OW is crap and a completely different game.

SecondAirbaneAug 19, 20173 votes

doesnt mean the same system wouldnt fail for this game too

literally the same system this guy just described

Trias000Aug 19, 20171 votes

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Yeah well OW is crap and a completely different game.

Diffrent? I bet you people in League of Legends would do exactly the same thing.

FütanariAug 19, 20171 votes

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Diffrent? I bet you people in League of Legends would do exactly the same thing.

So league a moba and ow and fps are the same game?

Trias000Aug 25, 20171 votes

Does the genre matter in this case?

korg023Aug 19, 20171 votes

That would never happen in league since there is millions more players than in OW and if matchmaking cant find players in his elo (which is very very not likely since you would literally have to block hundreds of thousands of players) it can just match him with tier lower. I really doubt that some people would block certain person so they cant play with him. But after all this is crazy world so everything is possible. I bet we can think of some workaround.

scazzmanAug 26, 20171 votes

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That would never happen in league since there is millions more players than in OW and if matchmaking cant find players in his elo (which is very very not likely since you would literally have to block hundreds of thousands of players) it can just match him with tier lower. I really doubt that some people would block certain person so they cant play with him. But after all this is crazy world so everything is possible. I bet we can think of some workaround.

here's a workaround. reporting only prevents you from being matched with the person you reported IN THE NEXT GAME ONLY. it also doesnt prevent them from being on the enemy team, only your own

Baka RedAug 18, 201710 votes

If you are going to report someone, you might want to spend some time wrigin description of the deeds that the person whom you are reporting did. The advantage is two fold; first - the report system might actually use some of that report text to it's advantage. Second - you are less likely to go to queue at the same time your reported person does and thus less likely to end up playing with him again.

If you get to the same game, you play as well as you can and if the person did something nasty, you report him again adding more reports on his account. You can take the time to try to learn some other champion if your one-trick is banned/taken. Granted the game is more likely to end in defeat, but you might have fun which is the prime directive in all games.

The system most likely doesn't do any checking on your reported persons because if it did, the people at the top could start reporting the top players whom they don't wish to ever play against again and thus the top players might "never" get to play a match, since everyone (on his skill level) would have reported them at least once or twice. Also, such checking would take more CPU time to cross check if anyone in the lobby has even reported another.

MysterQAug 18, 20171 votes

I just want to note, I doubt the processing time of modern CPUs would amount to anything.

GreatWhiteNorthAug 18, 20171 votes

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I just want to note, I doubt the processing time of modern CPUs would amount to anything.

for (var i = -1000000; i != 0; ++i);

Prepare to wait....

Baka RedAug 18, 20173 votes

Yes, the term "CPU time" was wrong one to use. However, crosschecking the players in the lobby would take time, especially if a "No, I don't want to play with him" flag was found and you would have to find new player to replace him, possibly a lot of times with long report lists on each player.

DuskDaUmbreonAug 18, 20178 votes

Because it'd flood their system with people just reporting players that did badly.

HalcyonDwellerAug 18, 20171 votes

Unskilled is no longer a category for reports.

It would be a simple matter to punish players for abusing the system in order to avoid "bad" players.

a little shadowAug 18, 20171 votes

I heard that even when unskilled was a clickable box it didn't actually do anything lol

HalcyonDwellerAug 18, 20171 votes

Maybe it was there as a placebo effect. Something to make players feel better after having a game with a terrible teammate.

PePsiLemoNNAug 18, 20174 votes

It's like challenger players could abuse the shit out of that or something? After a lot of games it would even fuck up low elo matchmaking

Funkin DunkinAug 18, 20172 votes

Riot has a very busted and broken ranking system that highly favors the trollers over the people being trolled. Not only is riot going to place you in lob-sided games, it'll make sure you see the same people over and over despite that there's apparently thousands of players. I've once had to report the same person 3 games in a row while enjoying my 3 freeloss games. It's a great game indeed.

TimX24968BAug 18, 20171 votes

I suggest a 5-10 minute break from the queue if you are afraid of queuing with them.

TimX24968BAug 18, 20172 votes

because you can't wait 5 minutes or so?

Telephone BoothAug 18, 20172 votes

Because otherwise you could just report anyone that you think (through your limited amount of data, because people make sweeping assumptions about a player based on one play) isn't that good so that you will never be matched with them again. Anytime you lose, just report everyone on your team. Eventually matchmaking would be fucked because you can't play on the same team as half the players in your division.

DarkRitualAug 19, 20171 votes

Get stomped by enemy? Report them and not play against them!

Yeah that woln't fuck things up in higher ELO.

wei270Aug 18, 20171 votes

riot does not have a ban list like dota so you get match with who you are match with your report is not part of the match making system

FegoneAug 18, 20171 votes

I agree, if you're in low enough elo this could be easily be prevented, since there are so many players to be matched with and against.

Just a few days ago had a group of 3 premades in flex ranked who were just there to troll and lose the game. Naturally we lost big time with 3 people inting and refusing to surrender, we reported them. Next game there they were again, but this time on the opposing team. Needless to say we won that one but I felt sorry for the 2 that were matched with them.

KloqdqAug 18, 20171 votes

It is quite rare to see happen honestly. I have seen it happen as you get higher elos and mostly in TT as Riot can't pull more that 10 players it seems xD

Rote ToteAug 18, 20171 votes

I just leave .. and put them on my Block list..I have only been matched up with One blocked person after i blocked them.. The system will tell you that you will not receive text from x player as they are muted and on your block list. Now does RIOT look at block list I doubt it but it makes me feel better :) . The five minute Bio break with sandwich normal gets the idiot out of your queue rotation. Unless you are diamond or higher.. D4 is what i think is when you wait forever to get a game .. at least that is what my son says.. I laugh not in B4 buddy .... under his breath you butt is B4 as he walks away.....

RainbowIceeAug 18, 20171 votes

After every match take a short break. 3 - 5 mins. Walk around your house, stand up stretch. Look up some funny shit online, read the news. Anything. Don't play matches in a row straight like that. It's just asking for bad mojo. So just chill a bit and this will be avoided that way anyways.

CowseedAug 18, 20171 votes

Because software doesn't magically implement features you want and people developers didn't implement them before hand because it was on the back burner in terms of priorty? :/

korg023Aug 19, 20171 votes

More important question why can you be queued with someone you just BLOCKED? Doesent all meaning of blocking someone means you dont get to see them,talk to them and PLAY WITH THEM again. Why Riot thinks that if i blocked someone i am fine to play with that person and let him be in my game . Doesent matter if he cant talk he is in my FKIN game!

YokoNomiAug 20, 20171 votes

I've actually had a recent game under such circumstances, being teamed up with a toxic player I'd had to report in the past, only having to report him/her again. The notification I'd gotten afterwards of action being taken place was satisfying.