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Unjust Two-Week Ban

HuggzMcCreamy··3 votes·1,460 views

I've been permabanned in the past, because I was very rude and flamed my team at every wrong turn; even my own wrong turns. While I have my own opinions about what should and should not be worth of someone getting banned from a game that they spent hundreds of hours working up, I still understand that this isn't my game, it's Riot's. However, I have since reformed my behavior and have been much more vigilant about what I deem worthy to type in chat and how Riot will react to it when considering whether it is worthy of a ban.

  I just received a Two-Week ban from Riot out of nowhere, with no clear warnings that my account was working toward a punishment. The "Warnings" that you get after being reported ONLY MEAN THAT YOU HAVE BEEN REPORTED, per Riot's word, so that is NOT a clear indication that I have actually violated ToS/Summoner's Code, it only means that I was reported and since I never received ANY punishment (no chat restriction or anything), I was completely oblivious to the fact that my current behavior, while being MUCH better than my previous behavior, was still not in line with Riot(Lyte)'s views. Now I'm not here to be all bark and no bite, so here are the chat logs that were used to justify my current two-week ban (all 3, I'm not skimping you our Riot(Lyte)):

Game 1 HuggzMcCreamy: ... HuggzMcCreamy: Feeding team HuggzMcCreamy: so sad HuggzMcCreamy: Ahri just leave the game HuggzMcCreamy: plz HuggzMcCreamy: just leave the game HuggzMcCreamy: now HuggzMcCreamy: ty HuggzMcCreamy: Feeding SOP STOP STOP STOP HuggzMcCreamy: how do you all feed THAT hard? HuggzMcCreamy: Ahri your farm is trash, and your KDA is worse HuggzMcCreamy: Okay that's got to be on purpose HuggzMcCreamy: Am i right? HuggzMcCreamy: I hate this game HuggzMcCreamy: And I hate this team HuggzMcCreamy: so much HuggzMcCreamy: I know I'm playing Zed support (terribly) HuggzMcCreamy: But good god mid lane HuggzMcCreamy: Just makes me cry HuggzMcCreamy: nj Ryze HuggzMcCreamy: at least you're coming back HuggzMcCreamy: Dang that's so reportable <3 HuggzMcCreamy: Is Ahri trolling?> HuggzMcCreamy: Veigar? HuggzMcCreamy: Is she feeding on purpose? HuggzMcCreamy: Ahri PLEASE LEAVE THE GAME HuggzMcCreamy: AHRI HuggzMcCreamy: EXIT THIS GAME HuggzMcCreamy: I think she's never seen a Veigar before.. HuggzMcCreamy: And that she should most likely exit the game HuggzMcCreamy: OKay srsly I'm pissed HuggzMcCreamy: How do you go 0/7? HuggzMcCreamy: Like how HuggzMcCreamy: Gnar you really want this acct banned too? HuggzMcCreamy: LOL rip HuggzMcCreamy: "Gnar mechanics" HuggzMcCreamy: NICE JOB RYZE HuggzMcCreamy: WOOOOO HuggzMcCreamy: You're gonna get permabanned on another acct HuggzMcCreamy: LOL good luck HuggzMcCreamy: LOL Yeah but I haven't sad swear words :^) HuggzMcCreamy: So you're ez to report <33 HuggzMcCreamy: Truuu HuggzMcCreamy: Muting Gnar because I have enough kids :^) HuggzMcCreamy: Ahri HuggzMcCreamy: Please dude HuggzMcCreamy: talk to me HuggzMcCreamy: You're 0/10 HuggzMcCreamy: just walking up and dying HuggzMcCreamy: Plz say something HuggzMcCreamy: Ahri is a bot, legit HuggzMcCreamy: Plz reprot her for scripting a bot to just queu for game HuggzMcCreamy: She has nothign but boots HuggzMcCreamy: Ahri has full 4 boots HuggzMcCreamy: PLEASE report HuggzMcCreamy: Dude, come on HuggzMcCreamy: rip HuggzMcCreamy: Plz just report her dude HuggzMcCreamy: It doesn't matter what your team says, she wouldn't even talk or ask for help HuggzMcCreamy: That's just trolling HuggzMcCreamy: She's just trolling on purpose and is the WORST thing to happen to this community HuggzMcCreamy: I'd rather have Gnar HuggzMcCreamy: HE's toxic, but he's still playing HuggzMcCreamy: She is just the worst HuggzMcCreamy: .................. HuggzMcCreamy: She finally talks HuggzMcCreamy: How does a 9 man report sound, Ahri? HuggzMcCreamy: Good? Good. HuggzMcCreamy: Dude, don't try to defend this kind of player. HuggzMcCreamy: She has already said she's doing it on purpose HuggzMcCreamy: Poppy why are you trying to tilt us? HuggzMcCreamy: You're so ahead HuggzMcCreamy: Why are you trying to tilt us even tho you know that's ridiculous HuggzMcCreamy: Muting you for troll too HuggzMcCreamy: was typing, but k HuggzMcCreamy: 6 boots, and you try to justify her actions HuggzMcCreamy: That is srsly miserable of you HuggzMcCreamy: She can mute her team HuggzMcCreamy: If you had this Ahri, you'd be pissed HuggzMcCreamy: Don't lie

This game. Game 1. You can see that my behavior isn't perfect (I'm an asshole), BUT it's a huge improvement to what I would have said 6 months ago, and this is bad even compared to my current typical behavior; and once again, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A WARNING THAT THIS BEHAVIOR IS ACTUALLY BANNABLE, so I thought this language my be the "Line" that Riot draws when actually punishing players. However, this game brings up a very interesting point. This mid Ahri that I was upset with was "Intentionally Feeding" AS DEFINED BY RIOT, in this game. So naturally, I was pissed off because she is wasting everyone's time and everyone's opportunity to actually get better at the game. And how do I know that she's trolling? Well, go check the match history (http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2039480806/229782576?tab=overview) and see that she built 6 TIER-2 BOOTS DURING THE GAME. You can check the times at which her items were bought, and see that she didn't buy them at the end as we lost, she built them up across the span of the game and went 0/15/1 on purpose.

Game 2 HuggzMcCreamy: Nautilus, rush Rod of Ages HuggzMcCreamy: we have ZERO AP HuggzMcCreamy: Morg f HuggzMcCreamy: .. HuggzMcCreamy: wut HuggzMcCreamy: Naut just hook her lol HuggzMcCreamy: Smh Yas HuggzMcCreamy: same HuggzMcCreamy: tilt comp HuggzMcCreamy: I can't beleive you fucking bit me during my flip HuggzMcCreamy: What the hell HuggzMcCreamy: reported HuggzMcCreamy: Omg HuggzMcCreamy: LOL HuggzMcCreamy: Yas you are pathetic HuggzMcCreamy: your build HuggzMcCreamy: just rush RFC HuggzMcCreamy: What is wrong with you HuggzMcCreamy: You're not good tho HuggzMcCreamy: that's the issue HuggzMcCreamy: Yas just oiff yourself dude HuggzMcCreamy: just off yourself HuggzMcCreamy: You are SO bad HuggzMcCreamy: You are SOOOO bad HuggzMcCreamy: This yasuo lol HuggzMcCreamy: Stop being terrible? HuggzMcCreamy: agreed, she's horrible HuggzMcCreamy: will do compadre HuggzMcCreamy: Yasuo you are really not good HuggzMcCreamy: and you are REALLY feeding HuggzMcCreamy: please stop it HuggzMcCreamy: both of those thing HuggzMcCreamy: plz stop HuggzMcCreamy: lolol salty cuz feed HuggzMcCreamy: Keep this in your chat plz ty HuggzMcCreamy: Yas I like how you just stand inside of Ori's ult HuggzMcCreamy: like have you never seen Ori before? HuggzMcCreamy: If you ARE actually new HuggzMcCreamy: Then I understand HuggzMcCreamy: but if you aren't HuggzMcCreamy: then you're just piss poor

In Game 2, I told Yasuo to "off himself". That. Is. Bad. I understand that. I was upset, and I went WAY over the line insulting him. But ONCE AGAIN, I did NOT receive any warning from Riot that my account was being pushed toward punishment, and while I understand that saying that is not a good thing, I have been under the impression that as long as I don't use swear words (which I did when I said "I can't beleive you fucking bit me during my flip", and ironically I was the typical flaming Riven that game. Shocker.), I will not be validly reported (though this I can actually understand because I told a guy to off himself..that's bad. But that's the only instance in this whole accounts existence that I've stepped over what I THOUGHT was the line of "Punishable" by Riot, and I was deserving of a chat-restriction for that to show me that my account is being jeopardized by my behavior).

Game 3 HuggzMcCreamy: They have 5 TP's and we have Emo God mid lane HuggzMcCreamy: what a game HuggzMcCreamy: Rammus top HuggzMcCreamy: You a little girl, Rek? HuggzMcCreamy: Maybe help top at some point? K HuggzMcCreamy: rekt HuggzMcCreamy: lcujk HuggzMcCreamy: luck HuggzMcCreamy: nice farm HuggzMcCreamy: cool story HuggzMcCreamy: rip HuggzMcCreamy: Reksai..your build HuggzMcCreamy: wut HuggzMcCreamy: gg simple

Game 3. This. Just...What the hell, Riot. This IS, by the way, the entire chat log from that game. Why would I skimp out on you here considering the above 2 games? This very short line of text is a contributor to the justification of my two week ban. Please, anyone, explain this to me.

34 Comments

zacktootall3 votes

the people riot look to, too report other people are crap usually trolls, ragers, and much worst flamer then you. these people dont usually even understand they are playing league of legends a team game they think "this is a game centered around me" when it is not and they will not only report you they will speak your name like as if you where the devil him self

sry about the ban hopefuly things will cool down for you when you get back

[slayer-jinx-wink]

HuggzMcCreamy1 votes

Thanks bud!

TrulyBland3 votes

You seem to be pretty much aware of where you went wrong... maybe you'd do better if you tried to just improve your behaviour for the sake of improving your behaviour, rather than trying to find out what is in line according to Riot. Don't wait for a warning before you improve your behaviour; Keep improving and make sure you don't even get warnings.

Edit: Regarding the 3rd game; it's rather tame, but the system tries to find recent examples, iirc. So this was probably just thrown in there because it's negative (even if not very) and happened very recently. There are other cases where one example was a bit weird, I wouldn't think too much of it. The whole reason why you get sent multiple logs is to avoid situations where the only chatlog you're provided isn't actually helpful, so in that sense: not necessarily working as intended, but working as expected.

HuggzMcCreamy1 votes

maybe you'd do better if you tried to just improve your behaviour for the sake of improving your behaviour, rather than trying to find out what is in line according to Riot.

I'm just going to drag chat off my screen forever after this. I honestly don't think I can improve upon how I speak to people I dislike on League, and I especially hate how prominent the "Whatever I'm just reporting you even though there's a button that would fix it in one click THAT IS ALREADY INSTALLED IN THE GAME (The mute button)", because no matter if my team wins or the enemy team wins, in almost every game I play SOMEONE in post-game chat is screaming "REPORT 'xx' FOR 'yy'". Reporting Summoner's should be a LITTLE more difficult than it is. I mean think about it, after EVERY SINGLE GAME you play in League (EVERY.SINGLE.GAME.), you have the option just dangling in front of your face to cast out a report to someone because: 1: you lost and are pissed 2: someone on your team said one or two rude things to you, and you forgot about that Mute Button 3: someone on the enemy team said something that you perhaps INTERPRETED as rude, when they meant nothing negative at all 4: etc.,etc.,etc.

It should be a LITTLE more difficult to report others, because the community that Riot acknowledges is sometimes toxic and shitty, ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THEIR CURRENT REPORT SYSTEM IS GIVING POWER. It doesn't make sense. That's like giving some prisoners the right to be guards; how can the ones that need correction be the ones correcting other's behavior?

It's stupid, so I'm just done looking at chat overall. The only time I'll press the Enter key is to time a Summoner/Ward to my team, that's it.

Jubbinaut2 votes

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1: you lost and are pissed

In which case - presuming the report was unwarranted - nothing happens to them, and the weight of your future reports is reduced, making them less meaningful to the system. Do this enough, and not only will the system ignore your reports, but you can even earn yourself a ban.

2: someone on your team said one or two rude things to you, and you forgot about that Mute Button

In which case, such a report is warranted - being rude runs contrary to the Summoner's Code, and reporting violations of the Summoner's Code is the exact and entire purpose of the report button.

3: someone on the enemy team said something that you perhaps INTERPRETED as rude, when they meant nothing negative at all

To quote Louis C.K., "When a person tells you that you hurt them, you don't get to decide that you didn't." Similarly, when someone interprets what you said as rude, you don't get to decide that it wasn't. That's what the review systems are for.

It should be a LITTLE more difficult to report others, because the community that Riot acknowledges is sometimes toxic and shitty, ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THEIR CURRENT REPORT SYSTEM IS GIVING POWER. It doesn't make sense. That's like giving some prisoners the right to be guards; how can the ones that need correction be the ones correcting other's behavior?

They only power they have is the same exact power you have. Namely, to possibly trigger a review of each other's case/game. Nothing more, nothing less.

TrulyBland2 votes

Riot isn't giving power to false reporters. False reporting lowers your report weight by up to 100%. Let me stress this: If somebody, as you put it, reports others because "they lost and are pissed", their reports have literally zero impact. That's not like giving some prisoners the right to be guards, that's like some prisoners pretending to be guards.

All that has to be said about the mute function has been said already thousands of times; including a lot of redposts. Short version: If you have to mute somebody, the damage is already done.

And all of this actually avoids the point I made: You were an asshole (Your words, not mine!) and you know it. You just hoped it was not bad enough to get banned for it. That's like speeding, but going so little above the speed limit that you hope you're still good and the police won't bother to pull you over. That's a sentiment that is understandable to some degree, but there is no justification whatsoever to call the punishment you received for knowingly doing the wrong thing "unjust".

You are the prime example of a permaban. You're not trying to reform. You're not trying to be a more positive player. You're not even trying to be a less negative player. All your efforts focus on not getting banned. And ironically, that exact reason is why you're not successful.

HuggzMcCreamy1 votes

In response to your speeding analogy: No, it's more like racers being taught that the speed limit is "fast" on a race track, and since everyone wants to win their race (Not to say that flaming teammates is a competition, but to say that as a 'racer', in my experience/thoughts, I find it productive (whether this is fact or not is irrelevant, everyone is different and tries different things) toward winning to call out other's mistakes to MAKE SURE they understand it and won't do it again), they go as fast as they can but not "too fast" since the rules on the track are that the "Speed Limit is 'fast'", then getting penalized by the referees for going over the very vaguely described speed limit.

This is what I mean when I refer to the "Gray Area" on Riot's description of "Punishable/Not Punishable". Everyone has their own perspective, based on real life circumstances like upbringing, culture, experience, etc., that leads them to draw their own interpretation on what could be construed as "Reportably Toxic".

And on your persecution of me not "wanting to reform":

If "reform" means that I am expected to genuinely like and portray a kind attitude to ALL Summoners I encounter, them no, I DO NOT seek to reform. However, I will reform in the way of ceasing all communication with my teammates, except for calling out Summoner Spell/Ward timers, and the enemy team. If I am playing with someone else I will either be in comms with them or Whisper in game if necessary.

The true point after reflecting on this post is that Riot's current reporting system (though they will NEVER admit it, or any other flaw (See Thorin's Video on the New LCS Format)) is not without its inherent flaws, and I don't think it's much to ask as a START to fixing it that they give Summoners a clear warning that they are jeopardizing their account with their current behavior BEFORE they hand out punishment. As I've stated before, their current "Warnings" (as they've admitted) only serve as a notification that you have BEEN reported, and does not speak to that report's validity. And while they EXPECT Summoners to know if that "Warning" is most likely legitimate, see again the "Race Track Speed Limit" analogy above to understand that SOME PEOPLE HONESTLY DON'T KNOW, because their perception of the analogous "Speed Limit" could perhaps differ from Riot's and other's perception.

Thank you for your comment. I do see the value in some of your logic and I WILL NOT be punished by Riot again, whatever that may entail. So please try to at least understand or sympathise with my interpretation of the system; because just like in government, which this greatly relates to in more than one sense, there is no "correct" answer, merely varying degrees of many opinions. Good day, friend.

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

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In response to your speeding analogy: No, it's more like racers being taught that the speed limit is "fast" on a race track, and since everyone wants to win their race (Not to say that flaming teammates is a competition, but to say that as a 'racer', in my experience/thoughts, I find it productive (whether this is fact or not is irrelevant, everyone is different and tries different things) toward winning to call out other's mistakes to MAKE SURE they understand it and won't do it again), they go as fast as they can but not "too fast" since the rules on the track are that the "Speed Limit is 'fast'", then getting penalized by the referees for going over the very vaguely described speed limit.

This is what I mean when I refer to the "Gray Area" on Riot's description of "Punishable/Not Punishable". Everyone has their own perspective, based on real life circumstances like upbringing, culture, experience, etc., that leads them to draw their own interpretation on what could be construed as "Reportably Toxic".

The problem with this is that going fast is a part of racing. Toxicity is not a part of league itself. 0 toxicity is wanted. 100% is against the rules. That said, some is tolerated. It is generally understood that people are emotional and pretty much everyone says things they shouldn't at some point. So punishments are only handed out based on certain frequency and severity parameters, but what isn't punished is still unwanted, only tolerated.

There is certainly a grey area. I always have a hard time understanding people who can't navigate this because it seems obvious to me even though I have a hard time articulating that clarity. You get 3 minor(1 slightly less) punishments to figure it out before you get perma banned. If you can't figure out how to navigate the grey area then you should avoid it completely.

No one is telling you to be toxic, but not too toxic.

And on your persecution of me not "wanting to reform":

If "reform" means that I am expected to genuinely like and portray a kind attitude to ALL Summoners I encounter, them no, I DO NOT seek to reform. However, I will reform in the way of ceasing all communication with my teammates, except for calling out Summoner Spell/Ward timers, and the enemy team. If I am playing with someone else I will either be in comms with them or Whisper in game if necessary.

You don't have to like or be kind to them. You have to be at least neutral. That is going to mean muting/ignoring and reporting in most cases.

The true point after reflecting on this post is that Riot's current reporting system (though they will NEVER admit it, or any other flaw (See Thorin's Video on the New LCS Format)) is not without its inherent flaws, and I don't think it's much to ask as a START to fixing it that they give Summoners a clear warning that they are jeopardizing their account with their current behavior BEFORE they hand out punishment. As I've stated before, their current "Warnings" (as they've admitted) only serve as a notification that you have BEEN reported, and does not speak to that report's validity. And while they EXPECT Summoners to know if that "Warning" is most likely legitimate, see again the "Race Track Speed Limit" analogy above to understand that SOME PEOPLE HONESTLY DON'T KNOW, because their perception of the analogous "Speed Limit" could perhaps differ from Riot's and other's perception.

I do hate almost everything about the warning system, ill give you that for sure. The only thing I like about it is that I think there is a lot of selfish and/or inconsiderate play that I wouldn't really say should be punished but that people should be aware of the impact it has on others(tiny silver lining). But you receive 2 extremely minor punishments as your first 2, chat restrictions. Those are warnings. Followed by a 14 day ban. If you were talking about being perma banned as a first offense then maybe I could see this point, but that is not the case.

HuggzMcCreamy1 votes

Thank you so much for speaking clearly and producing thoughts that are actually neutral and informative. What I've really wanted is for someone else to share their genuine thoughts on this post and my presentation of it, instead of people just being rude or even completely agreeing with me without adding much. Thanks again for your thoughts! Have a good day, friend.

Horse Grenades3 votes

OP Logic: "Sure I killed a guy judge, but that's three less people than I killed last time!"

"WTF? You're sending me to prison?!" "Judge so unfair>!!>"

HuggzMcCreamy1 votes

I actually like this comment lolol

Sarutobi2 votes

First off, Game 1 and 2 are justly enough of a permaban (in my opinion) and if anything your previous permaban should have been enough warning to change your attitude drastically. I dont think this is an unjust ban. seems pretty justified to me. Also note that the report could be delayed. so why the report might have came in your last match, it could have been for the one previous. Also your ban is for overall, its never just one game that made it a ban. its your continuous negative attitude, and toxic behavior that got you ban.

Lilian Voss2 votes

Bump.

Jubbinaut2 votes

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This game. Game 1. You can see that my behavior isn't perfect (I'm an asshole), BUT it's a huge improvement to what I would have said 6 months ago, and this is bad even compared to my current typical behavior; and once again, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A WARNING THAT THIS BEHAVIOR IS ACTUALLY BANNABLE, so I thought this language my be the "Line" that Riot draws when actually punishing players.

You seem to be confused about where the line is drawn. Here's the first place you can find the answer to that question: http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/

Alternatively, the line has also been defined as: "Don't be a jerk."

However, this game brings up a very interesting point. This mid Ahri that I was upset with was "Intentionally Feeding" AS DEFINED BY RIOT, in this game. So naturally, I was pissed off because she is wasting everyone's time and everyone's opportunity to actually get better at the game. And how do I know that she's trolling? Well, go check the match history (http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2039480806/229782576?tab=overview) and see that she built 6 TIER-2 BOOTS DURING THE GAME. You can check the times at which her items were bought, and see that she didn't buy them at the end as we lost, she built them up across the span of the game and went 0/15/1 on purpose.

The actions of others are never an acceptable excuse for your actions.

In Game 2, I told Yasuo to "off himself". That. Is. Bad. I understand that. I was upset, and I went WAY over the line insulting him. But ONCE AGAIN, I did NOT receive any warning from Riot that my account was being pushed toward punishment, and while I understand that saying that is not a good thing, I have been under the impression that as long as I don't use swear words (which I did when I said "I can't beleive you fucking bit me during my flip", and ironically I was the typical flaming Riven that game. Shocker.) I will not be validly reported (though this I can actually understand because I told a guy to off himself..that's bad. But that's the only instance in this whole accounts existence that I've stepped over what I THOUGHT was the line of "Punishable" by Riot, and I was deserving of a chat-restriction for that to show me that my account is being jeopardized by my behavior).

Swear words are not actually considered toxic or punishable in-and-of themselves. It's just as possible to use them in a positive way ("Holy fuck, that shit was awesome!") as it is to use them in a negative way ("Shut the fuck up, you stupid piece of shit!"). The swear words themselves don't make the statement positive or negative - they simply enhance what is already there.

However, death threats and hate speech (along with other comments of similar magnitude, such as suggesting that a player kill themselves) are not only considered punishable, but are considered so heinous as to warrant an escalation in punishment.

Game 3. This. Just...What the hell, Riot. This IS, by the way, the entire chat log from that game. Why would I skimp out on you here considering the above 2 games? This very short line of text is a contributor to the justification of my two week ban. Please, anyone, explain this to me.

Insulting, belittling, and badgering other players is not acceptable. Since that's what you're doing in about half of those lines, I don't think it's particularly important how many of them there are.

HuggzMcCreamy1 votes

Understand the gravity of the point I'm trying to make: The line that Riot draws is about 50% "Gray Area". There is no defined line of "Punishable" or "Not Punishable". However, this two-week ban is merely an annoyance; I WILL NOT even use chat once this account is back, but please see that I received NO WARNING that my behavior was punishable, and if I had, then I would have corrected it on the spot and realized, "Okay, my behavior is AEONS ahead of what it was before my permaban, but even this is unacceptable to Rito; time to unbind the Enter key once and for all". But that never happened, and that is the second point I'm trying to make: There is no clear communication between Riot and Summoners on how/if they are working toward a punishment. Thank you for your input though.

Jubbinaut6 votes

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Understand the gravity of the point I'm trying to make: The line that Riot draws is about 50% "Gray Area". There is no defined line of "Punishable" or "Not Punishable".

This is intentional. Among other things, it allows the community to determine the details, both through reports and the Tribunal (previously and in the near future).

However, this two-week ban is merely an annoyance; I WILL NOT even use chat once this account is back

That's going a bit beyond what's necessary, but it will certainly work.

but please see that I received NO WARNING that my behavior was punishable

You were given a link to the Summoner's Code before you installed the game. You are given access to the Terms of Use (which includes a Code of Conduct and other information relating to acceptable behavior) after every patch.

There's only so much Riot can do to put their information in front of you. At the end of the day, you're the one responsible for whether or not you're aware of it.

and if I had, then I would have corrected it on the spot and realized, "Okay, my behavior is AEONS ahead of what it was before my permaban, but even this is unacceptable to Rito; time to unbind the Enter key once and for all".

The emails sent to you regarding your previous punishments didn't include suggestions on behavior? I find that hard to believe - even the form-letter Reform Cards suggest boning up on the Summoner's Code.

But that never happened, and that is the second point I'm trying to make: There is no clear communication between Riot and Summoners on how/if they are working toward a punishment.

This is also intentional. Specifically, because the goal is to reform players - teach them to avoid toxicity, rather than simply cover it up when they get close to the line.

Since you're concerned about how vague and non-specific Riot's communications regarding what constitutes toxicity are, allow me to address the specific parts of the Summoner's Code you broke in the above games.

  1. Support Your Team
  • Suggesting your teammates kill themselves isn't exactly "supporting." Neither is insulting them, belittling them, or calling them out for negative behavior.
  1. Drive Constructive Feedback
  • There's nothing constructive about insults.
  1. Facilitate Civil Discussion
  • Insulting, belittling, or calling out others tends to prevent civil discussion, rather than encourage it.
  1. Enjoy Yourself, But Not at Anyone Else's Expense
  • Hard to imagine insults as being anything other than at someone else's expense.
  1. Build Relationships
  • I suppose technically, a negative relationship still qualifies here.
  1. Show Humility in Victory, and Grace in Defeat
  • At no point in these games do you demonstrate either of these traits.
  1. Be Resolute, not Indignant
  • Alternatively, "be admirably purposeful, not showing anger or annoyance at what is perceived as unfair treatment." I think this is best exemplified by Game 1.
  1. Leave No Newbie Behind!
  • In the interest of fairness, I doubt this is particularly relevant to those games. It's worth noting, however, that any insult about a player's skill goes against the spirit of this statement.
  1. Lead by Example
  • Perhaps better said: "Be the teammate you want to be matched with." I can't imagine that you want to be paired with people who would tell you to kill yourself
Horse Grenades2 votes

LOL! The fact that you have ANY questions about being banned after reading the chat logs from the first two games indicates that you are either: a) delusional b) a troll c) a delusional troll

Are you serious right now, brosefina?

PIMPSMOOTH1 votes

[{quoted}](name=ApocaIypse Meow,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Ogh6slJK,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2015-12-16T14:57:34.350+0000)

LOL! The fact that you have ANY questions about being banned after reading the chat logs from the first two games indicates that you are either: a) delusional b) a troll c) a delusional troll

Are you serious right now, brosefina?

[slayer-jinx-wink]

HuggzMcCreamy1 votes

Haha! Wow you're so right! And you being a giant dick to someone who needs to work on reforming is SO productive to my progress toward becoming a better teammate to other Summoners!

       How about instead of being an asshole, you give friendly advice. Because you being negative toward me really just makes you toxic as well, jerk.    ,,!,,
Horse Grenades1 votes

My advice would be to not call this an unjust ban, serve your time, and stop typing in game so much.

Horse Grenades1 votes

Also, quit blaming other people for your in game decisions. You had a feeder. We've all had one, we'll probably all have one today. It's not special, just lose the game and move on. The next game, the other team might have one.

Korillo2 votes

Title is wrong, should read "Just Two-Week Ban"

zacktootall1 votes

uh yeah no no but is just is this down vote though

EvilDustMan1 votes

Game 1, I didn't have to look very hard beyond the first couple lines. You already are calling your team feeders and telling them to leave. I'm astonished your previous behavior could have been worse.

HuggzMcCreamy2 votes

The Ahri was intentionally feeding. Look at the Match History I linked under the chat log. It's justified to be upset at someone for losing the game on purpose, and if it isn't to Riot then their priorities are all wrong.

TrulyBland2 votes

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The Ahri was intentionally feeding. Look at the Match History I linked under the chat log. It's justified to be upset at someone for losing the game on purpose, and if it isn't to Riot then their priorities are all wrong.

Rather than starting the classical debate about retaliation: In the beginning, even though you're already heavily attacking Ahri, you don't actually seem that certain that she's trolling. If you didn't know something at the time you can't use that information to justify your choices. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcome_bias

HuggzMcCreamy1 votes

Yeah, I know that the ban didn't come from one game, that's why I posted multiple chat logs. Also, I have changed my attitude drastically since my previous account, that's why I was a little confused at this punishment (Understand that compared to my last account, these games are NOTHING in comparison to the level of toxicity on it). I'm not saying I misunderstand what is nice and what is not, but I have NOT been conditioned to believe that using the internet necessitates good-guy conduct. Thank you for your input though.

Tract1 votes

100% deserved sorry. Imo ive seen people get perma banned for less.

alasarcher1 votes

So just because u are less of an asshole than you were 6 month ago, your ban is unjust?

HuggzMcCreamy1 votes

No, the point of this post is to say I was a little caught off guard. I didn't receive any warning that my current behavior would lead me directly to a two-week ban, so I was mainly pointing out that a little notice ahead of time that I was working toward punishment would've been appreciated. Everyone loves being up on that high-horse with Lyte, viewing themselves and the greater LoL Community as a perfect rainbow of peace and butterflies; but not everyone thinks the same way, and some people DO require some notice that they are slowly but surely working themselves toward punishment.

zacktootall1 votes

i love how everyone here is reading this and missunderstanding it and i thought i was bad good god

HuggzMcCreamy1 votes

I'm not sure I understand your comment, friend. 0.o

zacktootall2 votes

no your fine its everyone else that thinks your just talking about the ban its self not how the ban was given(with out warning) witch does make this an unjust ban just to make it perfectly clear to every one including riot who needs to clean up their shit!

PDE5 Inhibitors1 votes

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