I got perma-banned for stepping up against toxic players

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I was just defending myself from toxic people flamed me and my friend for nothing, they said they were gonna hack us and they were gonna ddos us since they had "our ip address", now, I don't usually question riot's decissions but.... really? I got banned? They didn't? what? I don't get it, If they were having a bad day they at least didn't have to report me for defending myself against them. Sometimes I also get bad games, but I don't report my teammates just because they tell me to stop playing badly, or to position better. I think that me and my friend played badly but we tried at least and we learned from our mistakes. I'm just trying to get better at the game people don't have to report me for trying. Now, I might have been toxic earlier like in 2014, but I have learned that you don't have to be angry at other players just because you aren't as good at the game. I have changed, and just because I'm stepping up and facing the face of someone I was before and try to stop them from harassing us I get banned. Do I deserve it?

36 Comments

redniwediS9 votes

Defending yourself means you are taking action to prevent harm. Did you mute them? Muting is really the only action you can take that prevents harm.

Retaliation means attempting to harm someone else as they have harmed you. This is what you did, and it is a punishable offense. You broke the rules you agreed to and so you do deserve the punishment.

SlimShaneyy5 votes

He said fuk could of ment any of terms funk fluke it was a typo and you banned him from a typo.. gg No im not being serious but he went out of his way to not fully show the foul language that was considerate. imo it would make the snowflakes melt. He was trying to SAVE THE SNOWFLAKES. in all seriousness riot banning system is a joke. good day gl

ModThe Djinn4 votes

Do you have your full chat logs? I can't see much here, save that "fuck you" is not "defending yourself."

Having your full chat logs and any prior punishment history would help me figure this situation out.

Lightning I3 votes

You got banned for saying "ok" imo

Accali3 votes

Lol, i've seen way worse and toxic people who haven't even got a warning about getting banned.

Lightning I1 votes

I know someone who only types/swears in caps. Of course, he's forever bronze and toxic beyond belief so, that's enough of a punishment for him

Sticc2 votes

That's just... I just can't, how much money have you used on that account? And for it being perma-banned because you swore once in chat?! And it's PERMA? WHAT?! Man I must be lucky then

ModThe Djinn7 votes

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That's just... I just can't, how much money have you used on that account? And for it being perma-banned because you swore once in chat?! And it's PERMA? WHAT?! Man I must be lucky then

Swearing is 100% allowed (save for slurs and crass sexual comments). Swearing AT other people isn't.

Sticc1 votes

Understandable

Sticc1 votes

But I really want to see what the toxic guy said, then it would be so much easier for us to decide.

AetherKingdom1 votes

private info my dude

Sticc1 votes

But I really want to see what the toxic guy said, then it would be so much easier for us to decide. Also, it's perma. For ever, right? Is it that dangerous to swear against a person? I'm also curious if they got banned

ModThe Djinn2 votes

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But I really want to see what the toxic guy said, then it would be so much easier for us to decide. Also, it's perma. For ever, right? Is it that dangerous to swear against a person? I'm also curious if they got banned

Players are judged on their own actions. The reason I asked about prior punishments is that even behavior that would normally earn a chat restriction can earn a permanent ban if it continues even after several warnings. The system escalates your punishments unless it sees proper reform.

Whether or not the other player was toxic, or was banned, is immaterial to this player's behavior. There is not a certain level of toxicity at which being toxic back is appropriate.

Faeri Pinkett2 votes

To receive a permanent ban, you must of had prior warnings and or punishments. Like serious dude, I get bitchy with people who push me too far in games, but riots only ever sent me warnings - and I still get "thanks for keeping it honorable" a CRAP ton of the time.

Telephone Booth2 votes

I don't get what you mean "stepping up?" Did you go to their house and get in their face? No. You typed words online. That's not stepping up, that's not "defending". You added to a flame war in the middle of a match and you got punished for it, like usual. I don't know the details, but I'm guessing yeah, it was a warranted punishment, given that no one wants to listen to idiots argue instead of playing the damn game. Word to the wise: don't argue with idiots, it only makes you look like one too.

Also, if you want people to be able to judge, you should post the chat logs. Judging from the small sample in that pic, you were probably too confrontational. Instead of ignoring, you dove right into the keyboard battle.

Edit: for the record I don't think you "deserve it", but according to the rules, the conditions must have been met to warrant a punishment.

Sticc2 votes

Perma... not a 14 day ban..... perma

Telephone Booth1 votes

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Perma... not a 14 day ban..... perma

Huh? I didn't say anything about 14 day ban, or perma. Are you sure you are replying to the right person?

FishermanV22 votes

Riot doesn't care what other people say in the game you won't get unbanned even tho it looks like you really did step up against the harrasment

XDEATH12 votes

Game 1 XDEATH1: Is that the same shen too? XDEATH1: wow you guys must be trio XDEATH1: Holdign turret thats all XDEATH1: But you were failing to clear wave,just helping XDEATH1: Do you have an issue when anyone does anythign to your lane? XDEATH1: Do you not understand that this is a 5v5 team game,to where we must assist one another to achieve victory? XDEATH1: You fed XDEATH1: I have to get ahead to help now XDEATH1: I didnt feed them XDEATH1: Im helping by not making the mistake and giving them more kills XDEATH1: Like that XDEATH1: You need ot help your adc XDEATH1: And stop trolling your team XDEATH1: Saved you XDEATH1: Jesus man grow up XDEATH1: I helped you two XDEATH1: Saved urgot XDEATH1: He was in trouble XDEATH1: they were moving in to kill him XDEATH1: He e'd out to escape XDEATH1: I stepped in right after his E,watch the replay man XDEATH1: Jeeze man i really didnt report you last game,but man please listen to tohers XDEATH1: Your lane is messing mid and top up,what are you doing for the team? XDEATH1: Man im reporting you for sure this time,people like you shouldnt be so rude and agressive towards players playing this game. XDEATH1: pls report shaco,troll XDEATH1: gg XDEATH1: Why do i always get trolls,i thought it was just in ranked,but man this shaco two games in a row,please riot why???? XDEATH1: I only play ranked XDEATH1: Firrst two normal games in years XDEATH1: Im gold XDEATH1: And enjoy playing XDEATH1: But peple liek you ruin this game XDEATH1: Gods honest truth,and i call it like it is,i dont blame others,and im not toxic unlike you. XDEATH1: You were one of the most toxic players i have ever encountered last game out of my 7000 ranked matches''sir''. XDEATH1: Gold XDEATH1: Coming from you XDEATH1: Muted man tired of your toxic XDEATH1: x9 shaco pls XDEATH1: Gg Game 2 XDEATH1: tank ap,cd XDEATH1: could be either,but usually bruiser XDEATH1: i would say both XDEATH1: look at his build XDEATH1: he has no ap runes or masteries XDEATH1: so he going ad XDEATH1: dotn push fight,let them come to us please XDEATH1: my sup afk XDEATH1: gg XDEATH1: muted XDEATH1: I dont know if he understands how far behind i am XDEATH1: But i wont tolerate someone speakign that way for any reson XDEATH1: she is the reason i lost lane XDEATH1: cant farm,do anythign,she stands behind me,she overextends,makes me want to rage but im not going to XDEATH1: What can i do? XDEATH1: What would you do? XDEATH1: Cant XDEATH1: Too many ganks and othe rlanes XDEATH1: Cant

I just got banned 2 weeks for that,after i was nice to the guy,trying to get him to be nice,i even offered him RP to be nice,guy flamed me like he was crazy no kidding,but I emailed Riot about it,and they stated next time was permanent.The guy was so verbally abusive i was literally shaking at the end of the match.Spent 1210.00 usd on this game,and for trolls like the two i encountered to treat another human being like that duo did,should be punishable by law.Yet here i am wasting my time complaining about Riiot's policy and how two wrongs dont make a right,well guess what,the system is horrible,and maybe you should pay closer attention to aggressors rather then people defending themselves,rather then banning people for such trivial incidents! The two players in game a shaco and teemo, I was jungle and they were a bot lane duo,normal game,unranked,they said never come bottom again.They called me trash,they told me F U multiple times,they told me to kill myself,they told me so many profanities i am not even going to repeat them. They made fun of me,they intentionally fed,they raged the entire team,yet i carried and we won.Then i q up immediately after,and there is the same duo in my next match,who both reported me again,thats why there are only two games listed in my chat history,because those two players reported me four times! I wish to god i could reveal what those two players said to me in those two matches,i would post it in a heartbeat,but unfortunately Riot only provides the reason their ''SYSTEM''states you are reported,not the cause of it or who reported you. And this is what their customer support specialist HANA said:
''In the game, I'm seeing instances where you're spamming the chat with complaints, threatening to report and arguing with others. League can definitely be frustrating at times and I get that every interaction can't be great when you're dealing with negativity in the game. However, when you respond to that negativity with more negativity, it still ruins the match for everyone else as it take away the focus from the match. You can't control other player's action but you can definitely control what you do. If you use mute and avoid engaging in the situation, your game will be less rage inducing and the negative experience won't follow you after the match.

I'm not trying to lecture you on the subject but this is a really serious warning and I want to make sure that you understand the situation moving forward from this punishment. It is a final warning before a permanent ban is issued.

I want to encourage you to take this break to reflect and find ways to help you relax so you can put them into practice when you come back. Limiting yourself to not using the chat at all (dragging the chat and muting), and then slowly allow yourself to type small, constructive comments. That way, you can ease yourself back to the game with a better mindset.''

SO not only did they instruct me that i needed a break from their game,but they also full warned me that any further negative action on my part will result in a PERMA BAN! Love league,but cannot stand some of the community nor the way Riot is beginning to handle things in this manner,i feel honestly neglected and subjected to mistreatment by a company.

Magical Player1 votes

Two wrongs don't make a right as you break the boards rules of naming and shaming.

XDEATH11 votes

Was never aware of boards rules but i am glad you are contributing to this game and my issue simultaneously with your generosity kind sir, thank you for your input. Edited, is that sufficient kind sir?

Magical Player1 votes

I mean it meets the conditions to not break the rules, I'd rather your post exist than the mods come through and remove it. You're offering good advice to the OP, just wanted to ensure it stayed

Kartagia2 votes

Riot games has taken stance that bullies should let bully! IT is your fault you get bullied, thus mute them and enjoy loss. And trust RIot they might consider punishing the bully. It seems that bullies get punished less than those who dare to make it blatantly apparent bullying is wrong. For some reason system punishes those who stand against bullies way more. I think it is due the fact bullies have taught the Riot AI to do this for them. And Riot refuses to do real analysis of the AI as "it works as intended", as RIot games never make mistakes.

CreampEye1 votes

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Sticc1 votes

what's this? [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

Void Nargacuga3 votes

Spam report it as such

Mindspeaker1 votes

"I was just defending myself from toxic people flamed me "

In that case yes you deserved it.

There is never any "context" or "justification" for responding to, reacting to any Intentional negative chat , action or play .

Also there is never any "context" or Justification to negativity commenting on something you simply don't like or what you consider "bad play" of any kind.

As for players blaming punishable speech and/or actions on other players - that is also inherently wrong

There is no such thing as being baited. You cannot use that as an excuse.

YOU ( the player) control and are responsible for your own actions speech.

No matter what anyone does or says in game no matter how bad

if YOU choose to respond to it in any way the YOU rightly deserve to be punished as well.

If you don't like how random people, don't want the "risk" of someone intentionally trying to disrupt the game ( intentional feeders afk verbal abusive leaverbuster avoiders) play then it's up to you not to join a random que ,

As for there is a INTENTIONAL feeder or afk just ignore them and play as you would if everything was fine and report them after the game . Take no action ,of any kind in retaliation or respond/ react to them verbally.

Also If a player disagrees and /or ignores the above guidelines and continue to break them remember every player is just GUEST of Riot no matter how much money that player spent on their account and their Privilege of playing in this game can and should be taken away permanently,

130x1 votes

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Magical Player1 votes

its not new, its you're proposed idea

General Esdeath 1 votes

chat logs?

YerroFever1 votes

It looks like there's more to your screen shot. You have a scroll bar and I can see a sliver of the top of the next line.

Can you post your full chat logs?

SparkytheWildcat1 votes

jesus christ, listen to you people "this is riot's policy, so yes, you should get banned"

so, because it's in riot's policy we're supposed to just bend over, take it up the ass, then mute them and just be cool with people making personal shots at us and throwing our games, costing us LP that we've worked hundreds or thousands of hours to get?

yeah, that might be riot's policy, but if so, it's wrong. It needs to change.

Often, I'll reply to someone questioning one of my plays that ended up wrong, so I'll go to explain it to them and what I need to do/need them to do next time to make it work. Most of the time this results in better teamwork, but occasionally this causes them and other teammates to full on flame me and I'll already be upset about the bad play. This leads to me contesting and explaining while I get berated. Later on, even the enemies will agree that I did nothing particularly wrong once my team flames me in all chat. After game, suddenly, BAM chat/account ban. beautiful.

SparkytheWildcat1 votes

Game 1 SparkytheWildcat: maybe SparkytheWildcat: doesn't help me much now SparkytheWildcat: careful top SparkytheWildcat: wtf SparkytheWildcat: 2-0-1 kai sa, great SparkytheWildcat: why? SparkytheWildcat: yeah SparkytheWildcat: bc I had 1/2 health and she was full health SparkytheWildcat: and then she smited to heal SparkytheWildcat: if I had 100 more hp, I wouldve won SparkytheWildcat: u don't say? SparkytheWildcat: cool SparkytheWildcat: idk why you wanted me to jump her if that's all you could do SparkytheWildcat: lol sure SparkytheWildcat: tell yourself that SparkytheWildcat: lol sure SparkytheWildcat: if I jumped earlier the same thing wouldve happened. she was waiting there SparkytheWildcat: if you wouldve come to help me when kai sa was in my jg earlier, then she wouldnt be ahead SparkytheWildcat: everyone makes mistakes SparkytheWildcat: just remember to always blame jgler SparkytheWildcat: 100% prostrats SparkytheWildcat: name my first one SparkytheWildcat: the fact that kai sa came and invaded me? SparkytheWildcat: lol bc I didnt want to fuck up and have a bad engage in jg, getting her ahead SparkytheWildcat: look what happened SparkytheWildcat: her team made it to me before our mid when it was in MY jg, imagine in hers XD SparkytheWildcat: but ur right, my fault SparkytheWildcat: jg is the only one that makes mistakes ever SparkytheWildcat: remember that SparkytheWildcat: muted, btw SparkytheWildcat: ward dragon SparkytheWildcat: will do SparkytheWildcat: lol tell that to them SparkytheWildcat: I'm not the one flaming SparkytheWildcat: wasn't looking SparkytheWildcat: jesus, gg SparkytheWildcat: lol ok SparkytheWildcat: will do SparkytheWildcat: lol thresh ulted at nexus SparkytheWildcat: not going near that SparkytheWildcat: k SparkytheWildcat: they're just gonna kill me SparkytheWildcat: you guys were the ones pinging "asshole" SparkytheWildcat: STOP FIGHTING SparkytheWildcat: yeah, the 0-5 ww that's been in 1 fight SparkytheWildcat: yeah when I ganked mid SparkytheWildcat: rest have been me getting jumped in jg SparkytheWildcat: I had vision SparkytheWildcat: they just out maneuver me SparkytheWildcat: lol SparkytheWildcat: ez when they're fed and I"m behind SparkytheWildcat: yup SparkytheWildcat: I haven't been toxic or flamed SparkytheWildcat: damn SparkytheWildcat: gg

sorry I don't have the full chat, but here's my end of a game where I was getting 4-man flamed. I thought at the time that I was handling it pretty well and even in retrospect it still doesn't seem bad at all. they even say in the tips that "competitive BSing is fine." and I don't think that this at all goes beyond BSing. and even if you could argue that it might go beyond that, I think you're delusional if you can DEFINITIVELY state that this goes beyond BSing.

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