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I'm sick of League's Community. (Hopefully this is the right board this time)

Muyobuyo··5 votes·1,406 views

TL;DR I have complaints. Just leave if all you have to say is "stop playing the game."

I'm not sure where to put this as I don't use forums ever. But I needed to get this off my chest, especially as someone who literally overcame a lifetime's worth of clinical depression as of 2 days ago. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/19194895 I don't know if this is visible and if not I will send screenshots of it as I'm not typing out this entire thing again, it's just too long and I'm not even in the same mindset as when I was writing this post: http://puu.sh/l7d7V/47176965be.jpg http://puu.sh/l7d9j/496f0633ef.png

Say what you want about how I wrote this, I don't care anymore. I'm following up with this nice man's suggestion and putting this out in the open for discussion. It pains me that one of my most favorite games ever is also one of my most hated all because of some silly, bad people who can't keep their mouth shut unless they don't have anything vitriolic and venomous to spit at people for the most absolute trivial reasons. The fact they represent the FACE and sometime seemingly the MAJORITY of this game's community just makes me actually cry internally. I'm sick and tired of being blamed for literally anything in this game, whether it's absolutely ridiculous or actually right, because no one ever bothers to be civil to me about it. No one ever wants to treat me like a fucking human being and I hate it. I honestly wouldn't even mind if Riot just got rid of the entire chat system altogether and left pings in the game. Or even somehow replaced it with a voice only system, although that would probably be hard as fuck to implement so I'm not expecting much.

I want Riot to do something about this because as far as I can tell it doesn't seem like they are. They're making minor fixes and tinkering here and there, but aside from that nothing seems to be happening. I have no idea how responsive Riot is to player feedback when it's NOT related to the actual gameplay and all those fancy values and lines of code that they have to constantly tinker with, but it doesn't seem like they are. I also have never expected anyone to care about my problems or feelings in my life, as no one seems to ever bother responding to my complaints like this one right here. But that was a long time ago, and I've sorted out those personal problems of mine, so let's just pretend I didn't even say that.

If anyone has a better idea than me, or if I could even get a response from a Riot employee, maybe even that hopelessly idealistic Riot Lyte or somebody of importance, that would be just wonderful. And if you're response to me is to stop playing the game, just leave. Go, I have no interest in discussing anything with you if that's all you have to offer me. Cause if I really hated the game that much, you think I'd honestly keep playing it and enjoying it to this day?

Any and all feedback to this post is greatly and highly appreciated. Thank you.

(I apologize to the moderators as the first time I posted it only loaded the "Help & Support" board as an option, which seemed fine to me at the time. Hopefully this one is the correct board to post to).

31 Comments

Teslablade4 votes

I like the idea of being more strict, with only third chances. We'd have so fewer trolls.

Saltinc1 votes

not really. they would just make a new account everytime lol. trolls will never die im afraid.

EvilDustMan2 votes

Everyone's problem seems to be there's no instant gratification on knowing your report has been vindicated.

Muyobuyo3 votes

I mean sure I can see that being annoying but that's not what I care about. Why do people who have absolutely no intention of reforming, who essentially just game the system as a "I'll do this bullshit to get unbanned so I can go back to talking garbage to other people while playing League" deserve any chance at reform, prior to even being banned?

EvilDustMan1 votes

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I mean sure I can see that being annoying but that's not what I care about. Why do people who have absolutely no intention of reforming, who essentially just game the system as a "I'll do this bullshit to get unbanned so I can go back to talking garbage to other people while playing League" deserve any chance at reform, prior to even being banned?

They changed it. In fact, they just went over this in another thread. You get a chance to reform over chat restrictions, but they are much harsher about repeat offenders. If someone is a repeat offender, they will get escalated to a suspension or ban.

Muyobuyo1 votes

I mean that's good to hear but the people I meet ranked just make it seem like it's not doing anything. I'm just emotionally salty I guess.

Rueian2 votes

because if they dont get a chance to reform neither will the people who genuinely want to try to reform.

Muyobuyo2 votes

Well okay maybe I'm not presenting my opinion quite right. I want reforming to come AFTER strict bans. Because I feel you can usually gauge a person's willingness to change and get back into a game if they have to pass through the hurdles AFTER they've lost complete access to the game. So like you might have someone who will talk shit at an employee who won't unban them, and then honest people can be like I feel like I was banned wrongly, may I please discuss this over with an employee? etc. Like getting banned sucks, but having to play with shitty people who just aren't getting punished is worse imo.

EvilDustMan1 votes

{quoted}

Well okay maybe I'm not presenting my opinion quite right. I want reforming to come AFTER strict bans. Because I feel you can usually gauge a person's willingness to change and get back into a game if they have to pass through the hurdles AFTER they've lost complete access to the game. So like you might have someone who will talk shit at an employee who won't unban them, and then honest people can be like I feel like I was banned wrongly, may I please discuss this over with an employee? etc. Like getting banned sucks, but having to play with shitty people who just aren't getting punished is worse imo.

Okay, and I disagree with your opinion. The fact is, most of the people who come to this board to complain about how they were banned? They don't understand why they were banned. They don't understand the concept of not being toxic. But, okay, let's say you are right. That's why the 14 day suspension is there. If you get to the 14 day suspension and just can't shape up, you're done.

Yes, you've had some bad experiences. But the game HAS cleared up quite a bit in the last year and will continue to do so.

Muyobuyo2 votes

Alright that's good to hear I suppose. I just can't get over this one horrible Karthus I came across in ranked who made it a point to lord over everyone that he had "complete control" (SUPER HEAVY AIR QUOTES) over the game.

He complained that because the jungler gave a kill to his enemy mid-laner (Irelia) that he had "fed his lane" and that he had no hope of winning. And after dying maybe 2 or 3 more times due to god knows what happened down in that lane, he proceeded to AFK. Somehow, miraculously, without that terrible person, we actually did well 4v5 and could've maybe even won the game.

But lo and behold, look who returns but Karthus. And not only did he return to "play the game," oh no no that's too much to expect from this astounding specimen of a human being. He proceeds to tell us that we "aren't losing fast enough," and then proceeds to intentionally feed for the next remaining 20 minutes to half an hour of the game. EVEN DESPITE ALL THAT, we were doing fine and could win teamfights. But as expected, it all boiled down to one teamfight, that Karthus led straight to us, and thanks to one pivotal fight between me and the Irelia, IIRC, we lost the game.

After that catastrophe, Mister Goodie Two Shoes Karthus, had even more words to bless us with, blaming us for that whole loss, and telling us that he controls the whole game and that "that's what happens when you feed my lane bitch :)" Please note that this was with loads of spelling errors that I can't bother to replicate. I HOPE he got 9 reports from all of us that game, but I'll never know. All I know is he was actually the most astoundingly immature excuse for a human being I've ever met in my life. And I could not believe I had to play a teamwork-oriented game with that terrible man for all of an hour. I was so shocked that I just could not comprehend how I felt at the time.

It's instances like that that make me not want to played ranked or even normals for that matter, as I'm afraid I'll just run into another one of his kind and just continually have my self-esteem curb stomped into oblivion.

Jubbinaut1 votes

{quoted}

It's instances like that that make me not want to played ranked or even normals for that matter, as I'm afraid I'll just run into another one of his kind and just continually have self-esteemed curb stomped into oblivion.

Because people like that exist, it's almost a given that you will, eventually, run into a similar situation. It sucks, and Riot puts quite a lot of work into minimizing it, but it's a risk you take when dealing with randos.

The question we all face is, since it's impossible to entirely prevent due to the nature of solo-Q, what are you going to do about it? The way I see it, there's three options:

  1. Quit playing solo-Q - either don't play League, or only play with full pre-mades to avoid random jerks that want to do random jerk things.
  2. Blame Riot - piss, moan, and complain about how they aren't "fixing" what is an inherently unsolvable problem.
  3. Let it slide - report the jerks, and move on without giving them significant consideration, because they just aren't worth it.

Every player faces this question at some point, and every player has a different answer. Personally, I avoid solo-Q like the plague (except ARAMs - it's a somewhat different crowd, there).

Muyobuyo1 votes

See my main issue is that of course Riot has to tie a reward to the hell that is Ranked once you reach Gold, and I being the kind of person that wants every cosmetic change possible and is absolutely infuriated by the notion that once that reward comes, it's gone forever to anyone else who wants it, I want to hit Gold. I literally don't even want to play ranked further than that. If I can just hit Gold every season, then I would have nothing to complain about. But no, I guess I'm just not good enough and will never have teammates who aren't so concerned about making everyone they meet want to kill themselves to ever have those fancy shiny skins. Like I feel like I'm really getting jiffed out of my money(?, experience? I don't know how else to say it other than that just I feel like it's unfair in a weirdly specific way) for not having the mental fortitude and the actual TIME to invest into League to hopefully ever hit Gold in the foreseeable future. I sound like a salty baby and I realize that, but please don't rub it in my face.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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See my main issue is that of course Riot has to tie a reward to the hell that is Ranked once you reach Gold, and I being the kind of person that wants every cosmetic change possible and is absolutely infuriated by the notion that once that reward comes, it's gone forever to anyone else who wants it, I want to hit Gold. I literally don't even want to play ranked further than that. If I can just hit Gold every season, then I would have nothing to complain about. But no, I guess I'm just not good enough and will never have teammates who aren't so concerned about making everyone they meet want to kill themselves to ever have those fancy shiny skins.

You can also earn it from Ranked Teams - which removes that whole jerk rando problem. That may not be an easy thing to manage (it can be hard finding a like-minded group of players who have similar schedules!), but it does allow you to have your metaphorical cake, and eat it, too. Also, ward skins!

I sound like a salty baby and I realize that, but please don't rub it in my face.

That wasn't my intention, and I'm sorry if my post came off that way. I just feel it's important to recognize the limitations that Riot operates under, and the futility of completely removing every player who may exhibit toxic behavior.

Muyobuyo2 votes

In response to the second quote, I meant I sound like a salty baby who won't get his way with the skins, so you're all good.

EvilDustMan1 votes

{quoted}

Alright that's good to hear I suppose. I just can't get over this one horrible Karthus I came across in ranked who made it a point to lord over everyone that he had "complete control" (SUPER HEAVY AIR QUOTES) over the game.

He complained that because the jungler gave a kill to his enemy mid-laner (Irelia) that he had "fed his lane" and that he had no hope of winning. And after dying maybe 2 or 3 more times due to god knows what happened down in that lane, he proceeded to AFK. Somehow, miraculously, without that terrible person, we actually did well 4v5 and could've maybe even won the game.

But lo and behold, look who returns but Karthus. And not only did he return to "play the game," oh no no that's too much to expect from this astounding specimen of a human being. He proceeds to tell us that we "aren't losing fast enough," and then proceeds to intentionally feed for the next remaining 20 minutes to half an hour of the game. EVEN DESPITE ALL THAT, we were doing fine and could win teamfights. But as expected, it all boiled down to one teamfight, that Karthus led straight to us, and thanks to one pivotal fight between me and the Irelia, IIRC, we lost the game.

After that catastrophe, Mister Goodie Two Shoes Karthus, had even more words to bless us with, blaming us for that whole loss, and telling us that he controls the whole game and that "that's what happens when you feed my lane bitch :)" Please note that this was with loads of spelling errors that I can't bother to replicate. I HOPE he got 9 reports from all of us that game, but I'll never know. All I know is he was actually the most astoundingly immature excuse for a human being I've ever met in my life. And I could not believe I had to play a teamwork-oriented game with that terrible man for all of an hour. I was so shocked that I just could not comprehend how I felt at the time.

It's instances like that that make me not want to played ranked or even normals for that matter, as I'm afraid I'll just run into another one of his kind and just continually have self-esteemed curb stomped into oblivion.

Yea, you aren't gonna get instantaneous justice like that. It sucks that the system needs a checker instead of doling out punishment right away. It sucks that happened and if you reported it, he'll get punished soon enough, he sounds like a jerk and I doubt he'll last long.

Rueian1 votes

the more harsh judgement becomes the more likely someone will be wrongfully punished by scale.

Muyobuyo1 votes

It looks my previous reply didn't go through, I'll summarize. Why should people who have no intention of ever reforming and will only treat the system as a joke and a game to just jump through some hurdles to re-establish access to the game, deserve any chance of reforming at all, especially before they ever get banned, assuming they ever rightfully do.

EvilDustMan1 votes

{quoted}

It looks my previous reply didn't go through, I'll summarize. Why should people who have no intention of ever reforming and will only treat the system as a joke and a game to just jump through some hurdles to re-establish access to the game, deserve any chance of reforming at all, especially before they ever get banned, assuming they ever rightfully do.

Because it's impossible to tell when someone gets chat restricted if they want to reform or not?

Muyobuyo1 votes

I mean if they continually keep talking trash after each chat restriction, I feel like it's pretty easy to tell.

AraMoOse1 votes

I'm curious how you would know such accounts exist. I have no way of tracking people who have just finished a chat restriction's chat logs. How are you able to ascertain that strangers' accounts get chat restricted, then continue to trash talk, and then do not receive suspensions?
Can you tell us how many such accounts exist? I wouldn't want you to get in trouble by naming them here, but I must admit I am fairly skeptical that you would have access to any data allowing you to assert that people trash talking and not getting punished is a significant problem.

Muyobuyo1 votes

I don't have access to accounts like that. It was an assumption that Riot does. I'm assuming Riot has plenty of user data to work with especially when it comes to this, considering their scale and number of departments, I just assumed they have it set up in a way where it's quite easy to pull up chat logs and keep track of how many times someone wants to call other people "trash," and plenty of other nasty words I won't say here. I could be totally wrong but my intention was to not to come off as "I'm 100% right."

Blue Mystified2 votes

This is why my girlfriend quite playing after she had an emotional breakdown when everyone trash talked her and i had to spend half an hour defending her because she went 0/6 as a support. as a support. and she's level 12. this community has become the MOST toxic thing i have ever taken part in in my entire life. and it truly bothers me. back at the beginning of season 3 when i started, these people were 1/200 and you always had people having fun and laughing it off. if someone trolled we would all just troll with him or laugh at him and accept the loss. now people take trolling or having fun or anything except being a try as hell hard as a personal insult to their gigantic massive ego. that 1/200 is now more like 1/5. at least. i'd rather say 1/3 or 1/2. I love this game when it's fun and people don't trash talk each other. even when they just aren't talking at all is great. but the second you see "report" in the chat box all hopes are lost and it becomes an abusive shit fest. There's not much you can do since easily over half the community is now more toxic than the pollution our earth has been put through lately.

Muyobuyo2 votes

Like really though, I ping a lot by habit because not everyone either notices it or even fucking hears it for that matter, so I want to make sure they do what seems to be the best course of action at the time.

But suddenly if I want to shot call in a normal game, because as a jungler that's just what I do, and then that in addition to pinging a LOT, cause I have friends who legitimately won't notice less than 2-3 pings, all of sudden this makes ME the fucking villainous tryhard. Like I don't get it, how does that stress you out that bad? It's a fucking dinging sound, jesus. Setting aside people with actual triggers, that I understand, just how are you going to call me the fucking jerk when my team has been the ones to claim and assert anything first while I've only been saying stuff related to the game? "You are too squishy, " is not an insult, jeez, I just want you to fall back because you literally don't have the defensive stats to just saunter on over to the enemy team and try and Pentakill them. Like goddamnit, the last game I played fucking amazed me that I actually wasn't allowed to take a game even REMOTELY seriously, even if it wasn't my intention to in the slightest, I just wanted to shot call, what the hell is wrong with that? Like the fact that I'm in the community's standard of "wrong" because I wanted our team to coordinate better in A FUCKING TEAMWORK-HEAVILY-REQUIRED-GAME because they all started to do their own fucking bullshit whenever they felt like it (PLEASE NOTE THAT I WAS NOT NEARLY THIS ANGRY AT THEM DURING THE GAME, I KEPT MY PATIENCE FOR AS LONG AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE) and then Miss Fucking Lux just says "I can't fucking stand you, muted" in response to me ASKING HER VERY POLITELY LIKE ACTUALLY TO STOP RUSHING IN AFTER I DIE TO CLEAN UP BECAUSE SHE JUST CAN'T.

I. JUST. CANNOT STAND THESE PEOPLE.

They have ruined the game and everyone's standard expectations of people so much that people just assume I'm being some cocky asshole when all I want is everyone to fucking work together and accomplish the GAME'S GODDAMN OBJECTIVES.

A Sneaky Snek2 votes

I sincerely feel like League’s community is steadily getting better. I know that the community still sucks, but it will get better over time as more awareness is being placed upon League’s issues. Remember this: Even if there is just one guy out of ten people who is toxic and he’s on your team, you will remember that game as negative as a whole. I feel like eventually with the buffered reform system Riot is promising, the community will be in ship-shape eventually.

Jubbinaut1 votes

Y'know, I have no problem with form letters in general, but is anyone else bothered by the fact that the Support response directs him to the old TBI forum, rather than... well... any of the boards?

I realize this is unrelated to the discussion at large, but it's more than a little disturbing to me.

Muyobuyo1 votes

Yeaaahhh. I don't even know what they do over at Support. I didn't expect much TBH.

Kensue1 votes

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kaleb bartlett2 votes

{quoted}

They talk in circles to tell you that it's wrong to get mad when people provoke you and having emotions is a horrible thing and you should be ban for it. <-- True interaction with Riot customer support.

It's not wrong to get mad, it's wrong to vent that anger onto the person in retaliation. Two wrongs don't make a right. (but three lefts do)

Kensue1 votes

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Muyobuyo1 votes

I think Lyte and the entire department is being hopelessly idealistic when they tell someone that retaliating isn't a good idea. Cause most of the time, especially in my case, if I retaliate I do so knowing it's wrong, but at that point it's not about the game anymore. It's about feeling an instinctive need to prevent any further tarnishing of my character for up to potentially 9 people who have to be around me for sometimes 40 minutes to an hour. I do so knowing, even though I'm just fanning the flames, I'm a goddamn human being with emotions and I've already bottled up my feelings for fucking 20 years, for as long as I've been alive because people have told me you're better off saying nothing at all no matter what. This is getting personal, but it's kind of my point. Not everyone is emotionally "fit," so to speak, to try and even bother meeting this pedestal of emotional neutrality. I barely am and I still just take shit from everybody because I find muting people does nothing for me and I want to be able to communicate regardless of the shit being flung at me. In doing so, I have deal with this abuse for an hour of intense spatial processing and decision making and just tons of stress I have to deal with when playing the game regularly. Thank god I have the patience to wait for a rock and cross the street by itself, otherwise I would've been banned myself already and at that point I would've probably tried to kill myself.

I understand where Riot wants to go and what they want to do in terms of retaliation cause usually retaliation is nothing more than "lol fuck you, you're the one who's trash/you're trash too/what. fucking. ever. trash trash trash." But there are LOTS of people like me who play this game, I would be dumbfounded if there weren't a single person like me who has mental fortitude deficiencies and look to this game and many others for escape from the real world to relieve some stress. The last thing I need from what at the end of the day is a silly little video game is someone stripping me of what little self-esteem I can build up which to begin with I lose bit by bit everyday normally.

If Riot were to have banned me for all the times I wanted to defend myself and any possible moment I could've retaliated I assure you I would have lost my humanity and maybe even ended up dead or just end up making frequent visits to the hospital. I understand they are hard at work doing the best they can, but it hardly ever feels like they really do anything with how slow it's taking and how little feedback seems to impact this sector of the game, and how little feedback the player gets. It's nice that you get notifications for if your report actually gets someone banned now, but not everyone gets that and it's just... all an unfortunate mess that I just personally look at as a hopeless pile of crap sometimes.

Muyobuyo1 votes

I've never really clarified this and I feel like I should, but I honestly appreciate Lyte and his crew's "hopeless" idealism because it's nice to work as hard as you can to get as close to the most ideal world that you can create, but the process towards that is long and hard and when I have to suffer along with everyone else, including those who make it, it's much more painful emotion than I would like to deal with.

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