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Is talking about trolling in game a bannable offense?

I am Kronos··4 votes·1,116 views
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I recently got a chat ban and lost honor for talking about someone trolling in a game. I was playing a flex game and got jungle. I locked in my jungler and we got into game. In game, the Maokai on our team decided to take smite, and decided that the best chance of us winning would be to duo jungle with me and to steal my camps and take all my xp. I have no clue why he decided to do this, i had never played with him before and had not said a word in pre game lobby. Because of his actions, I asked the opposing team to report him for trolling. Throughout the 21 minute game ( games go by fast when it is a 4v5) I responded to the Maokai's duo mid laner who had accused me of trolling in all chat, I assured the enemy team that i was being trolled and not the other way around. The support on my team decided to start talking with me about what I should do in the situation where I was trolled like I am, and we had a discussion. After the game I received a 10 game chat restriction and lost all of my honor and ability to get rewards. I submitted a ticket, but I was told by the Rioter that responded that by talking about the trolling, I had ruined the game for everyone else in the game.The Rioter claimed that by talking about Negative activity by the Maokai on my team, that I was the one being negative. Is talking about trolling worthy of a punishment? Is talking about negative actions negative? Did I ruin the 21 minute game for my team by talking about a troll? Attached are my chat logs from the game

28 Comments

General Esdeath 3 votes

Asking for reports is punishable.

Also, off question, do you play Elsword?

I am Kronos1 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports It isn't. And no I dont

General Esdeath 2 votes

" If a player used asking for reports as a leaping off point for actual harassment, that's when we'd blow the whistle"

I am Kronos1 votes

I didn't harass anyone

General Esdeath 1 votes

you're just asking for mao reports over and over and over. You're harassing him.

I am Kronos1 votes

is 2 times at the start of the game over and over and over?

Ricje2 votes

Jungle Tristana in ranked? Since when is this "meta"? That is kind of troll to be honest.

Asking for reports is a no-no. How would the enemy team know that you're the "real jungler" when they're used to seeing Tristana as ADC? "why would i go adc when im not adc" <- because Tristana is an ADC/Marksman champion? :p

I am Kronos2 votes

Tristana Jungle is currently meta. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports Asking for a report isnt bannable. They can know that I am the jungler by tabbing and seeing me in jungle place. As to the quote, that was my response when the support told me to go adc. I loaded into the game as jungler, got my jungle item, and then learned that our adc apparently wanted to take jungle from me. The support told me later to just be the adc, and my response was that why would I go be adc when I was the jungler.

Ricje1 votes

[{quoted}](name=87 Year Old Man,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Obityk91,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-12-01T06:14:14.379+0000)

Tristana Jungle is currently meta.

Really? Because op.gg seems to disagree with you.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports Asking for a report isnt bannable.

Double edged sword. It's negative and;

To give a bit more detail, we don't need to penalize for this because Instant Feedback is quite good at filtering out BS reports, and really only needs one to accurately decide whether or not penalties are warranted.

So I don't see "jungle Tristana" as meta.. op.gg doesn't seem to see her as meta.. Maybe the other team didn't see her as "meta" either and reported you for it?

They can know that I am the jungler by tabbing and seeing me in jungle place.

So if I went, for example, Malphite, picked Flash and Heal, ran to botlane and called myself an ADC then I would be seen as an ADC?

That's not how it works.

I am Kronos1 votes

But I was the jungler lol. The situation you're describing is what the maokai did, not me.

Ricje1 votes

[{quoted}](name=87 Year Old Man,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Obityk91,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-01T06:38:27.829+0000)

But I was the jungler lol. The situation you're describing is what the maokai did, not me.

I'm simply saying that they could not have seen her as meta and reported you for trolling.

So I don't see "jungle Tristana" as meta.. op.gg doesn't seem to see her as meta.. Maybe the other team didn't see her as "meta" either and reported you for it?

I am Kronos1 votes

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I'm simply saying that they could not have seen her as meta and reported you for trolling.

I mean sure, you can report anyone for anything you don't think is meta. That isn't really the point of this thread though. Spirit started playing trist jungle in korea and it has come to NA as a fun jungle pick.

Dark Insp2 votes

Tris being meta or not meta is really irrelevant. You can play ANY champ in ANY role as long as your intent is to do your best to contribute towards your team winning and not just trying to troll.

Quick glance at your chat log, I dont see anything ban worthy, you were being trolled by mao, literally griefing you and making you unable to play your role. This, of course, doesnt mean that you are not responsible for your actions/words, but I think you actually handled the situation pretty good. Would love to see a response from rioter.

I am Kronos1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dark Insp,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Obityk91,comment-id=000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-12-01T09:04:33.454+0000)

Tris being meta or not meta is really irrelevant. You can play ANY champ in ANY role as long as your intent is to do your best to contribute towards your team winning and not just trying to troll.

Quick glance at your chat log, I dont see anything ban worthy, you were being trolled by mao, literally griefing you and making you unable to play your role. This, of course, doesnt mean that you are not responsible for your actions/words, but I think you actually handled the situation pretty good. Would love to see a response from rioter.

Thanks for the support, I would also like to see a rioter respond.

Cant Land Kicks1 votes

So you're telling me that simply because he played something unique and fun (which btw is not meta but has been featured in many youtube videos, maybe he wanted to try it out, it is a game after all). this situation is honestly as dumb as when singed420 got banned for playing singed support on a smurf, which he got to i think diamond or masters in, i can't remember exactly.

Ricje1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cant Land Kicks,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Obityk91,comment-id=000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2017-12-01T10:17:28.405+0000)

So you're telling me that simply because he played something unique and fun (which btw is not meta but has been featured in many youtube videos, maybe he wanted to try it out, it is a game after all). this situation is honestly as dumb as when singed420 got banned for playing singed support on a smurf, which he got to i think diamond or masters in, i can't remember exactly.

Well considering that, besides the "report xyz" thing, that could be one of 2 options remaining; his team/the other team reported OP or the premade on OPs team (consisting of Maokai and Orianna) were against OP and considered OP a troll.

Cant Land Kicks1 votes

Not at all because reports don't stack. One report in one game means the same as 9. It's how many games you're reported in. I don't deny he deserves the ban, otherwise he wouldn't have it, but using that game as evidence is bull.

I am Kronos1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cant Land Kicks,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Obityk91,comment-id=00000000000000000000000200000000,timestamp=2017-12-01T14:54:11.375+0000)

Not at all because reports don't stack. One report in one game means the same as 9. It's how many games you're reported in. I don't deny he deserves the ban, otherwise he wouldn't have it, but using that game as evidence is bull.

This was the only game listed as evidence, I don't think that because I have the ban i deserve the ban, mistaken bans can happen.

Japanese Zyra1 votes

asking for report IS bannable, https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/EE7d58Pu-dear-riotsome-clarification-please

your name is a bit trolly to be trolled, don't you think, also, i'm pretty sure that you wouldn't get chat restriction if you simply wouldn't chat.

we should remind ourselves this is a video game not a IRC.

hope you learn something from it. [slayer-jinx-catface]

I am Kronos2 votes

My name isn't troll at all actually, I made the account when my grandpa was 87 and wanted an account in his honor. Your link is outdated. Below is the most updated stance Riot has given us on if asking for a report is bannable. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports

Abraxus follower2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Japanese Zyra,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Obityk91,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-12-01T09:36:12.615+0000)

asking for report IS bannable, https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/EE7d58Pu-dear-riotsome-clarification-please

your name is a bit trolly to be trolled, don't you think, also, i'm pretty sure that you wouldn't get chat restriction if you simply wouldn't chat.

we should remind ourselves this is a video game not a IRC.

hope you learn something from it. [slayer-jinx-catface]

learned something from it ? there isnt anything this poor man could have done Xd

FraCro1 votes

[{quoted}](name=87 Year Old Man,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Obityk91,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-12-01T06:14:14.379+0000)

Tristana Jungle is currently meta. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports Asking for a report isnt bannable. They can know that I am the jungler by tabbing and seeing me in jungle place. As to the quote, that was my response when the support told me to go adc. I loaded into the game as jungler, got my jungle item, and then learned that our adc apparently wanted to take jungle from me. The support told me later to just be the adc, and my response was that why would I go be adc when I was the jungler.

u are just a troller...tris jungle plz not in ranked u have normals for that. Adc wanted to jungle ? i fell him when he saw your pick. Your point was to go adc and let him jungle... its your fault u lost that match... Match history,strange thing for those like u....

I am Kronos1 votes

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u are just a troller...tris jungle plz not in ranked u have normals for that. Adc wanted to jungle ? i fell him when he saw your pick. Your point was to go adc and let him jungle... its your fault u lost that match... Match history,strange thing for those like u....

I value your response but I don't agree with it in the slightest. I do not troll, tristana jungle is not troll regardless of if it is ranked or normals. If the maokai had asked for jg in champ select maybe I would have given it to him, but nothing was said to me in champion select. I don't really know what you mean with your last sentence, but here is my match history if you would like it. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=87%20Year%20Old%20Man

FraCro1 votes

[{quoted}](name=87 Year Old Man,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Obityk91,comment-id=0000000000020000,timestamp=2017-12-01T17:53:13.026+0000)

I value your response but I don't agree with it in the slightest. I do not troll, tristana jungle is not troll regardless of if it is ranked or normals. If the maokai had asked for jg in champ select maybe I would have given it to him, but nothing was said to me in champion select. I don't really know what you mean with your last sentence, but here is my match history if you would like it. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=87%20Year%20Old%20Man

i saw your match history, u won 1 game tris jungle and lost second. but my bad,i cheked mao, i think that pick from him was bad [zombie-brand-clap]

General Esdeath 1 votes

It's a real thing

OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votes

Hmm, well generally speaking, no, talking about trolling isn't bannable by itself. But when it's in the context of "I'm not trolling, I'm being trolling by Player X" and continues to discuss what Player X is doing, then it does start to cross a line about what could be harassment of that player. However, having read your logs, they really don't seem bad to me. Yes, you do ask for reports multiple times, which isn't particularly good. If you'll read a bit more into that article you linked, asking for a report once or twice by itself isn't going to get a person punished. But when it is paired with the rest of the dialogue on complaining about what the Maokai has done, again, it starts to edge towards that line.

Just my personal opinion, but no, I don't really think these logs are worthy of a punishment. As a player, had I been on your team, I would have sighed at the misfortune of the lack of communication in champ select, reminded you that it only takes a single report to flag a game for review by the IFS so there is never actually a reason to call for reports (also in that article you linked), and tried to get you to just let it go and try to make the best of it. Does it suck? Yes. Can you do much about it at that moment? Nope. Do the best you can to win, and report him after.

And always, always, always remember the importance of communication in champion select!! If you want to go a champion in a role that is not their primary role, (and yes, I get that many adcs are being played in the jungle right now, but Tristana's primary role is still bot lane) then tell your team that is what you are doing. Never underestimate the derpiness of players who are playing Hearthstone or Osu or watching some video in champ select and not paying attention. They may not be paying attention. But if you make a point of saying what you intend to do, and letting them know your rationale behind it, at least you know they have no excuse for not knowing. And if they still troll you, they have no excuses against that griefing report.

NiamhNyx1 votes

Playing off meta is not trolling, just communicate your intent with the team.

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