Banned for 2 weeks for 1 Toxic Game, No previous account suspensions

StalwartKníght·Jul 22, 2018·1 votes·1,588 views

Hey, I haven't ever been banned before for anything and was honor level 4. Now I know that generally there is a chat restriction before a account suspension but I just received an account suspension... Is the system suppose to work like this or is this a bug? Any help is appreciated.

Chat log Below:::

Game 1 Pre-Game HeroMarine123: top HeroMarine123: ^ forever :D In-Game HeroMarine123: same champ HeroMarine123: same skin HeroMarine123: all skill now HeroMarine123: cya guys HeroMarine123: :D HeroMarine123: gp HeroMarine123: end urself HeroMarine123: kys HeroMarine123: lee HeroMarine123: go eat some food HeroMarine123: NICE HeroMarine123: JOB HeroMarine123: ^^^ HeroMarine123: lee trolling ;) HeroMarine123: nah HeroMarine123: im playing blind HeroMarine123: don't have my glasses HeroMarine123: hmm HeroMarine123: idk HeroMarine123: magic HeroMarine123: TOCI HeroMarine123: TOXIC HeroMarine123: KILL HIM HeroMarine123: EZ HeroMarine123: we see HeroMarine123: ?? HeroMarine123: ???? HeroMarine123: LF HeroMarine123: FD HeroMarine123: FD HeroMarine123: FD HeroMarine123: FD HeroMarine123: kys HeroMarine123: 6/4 HeroMarine123: trash HeroMarine123: for a lee main HeroMarine123: ur naime HeroMarine123: name HeroMarine123: is lee HeroMarine123: sin HeroMarine123: lol HeroMarine123: "no more kills for you" :D HeroMarine123: im catching up buddy HeroMarine123: i had to give u a lead HeroMarine123: nice HeroMarine123: IM SOO BD HeroMarine123: noooo HeroMarine123: i played that HeroMarine123: soo bad HeroMarine123: i ulted brand too early HeroMarine123: no small HeroMarine123: LETS SEE IT LEE HeroMarine123: LETS GOOOO HeroMarine123: JHE:[ HeroMarine123: DG HeroMarine123: F HeroMarine123: DF HeroMarine123: FD HeroMarine123: FD HeroMarine123: FD HeroMarine123: FD HeroMarine123: FD HeroMarine123: FD HeroMarine123: FD HeroMarine123: FD HeroMarine123: FD HeroMarine123: FD HeroMarine123: FD HeroMarine123: FD Post-Game HeroMarine123: lee HeroMarine123: why u bully me

26 Comments

AneirinJul 22, 20188 votes

Zero tolerance phrases like kys will skip chat restrictions and go straight to a suspension

StalwartKníghtJul 22, 20181 votes

And the reason I say joke is because it was the conversation me and lee were having throughout the game... Another player may have interpreted it differently but me and lee were screwing around all game, it was not meant in a harsh light

AneirinJul 22, 20183 votes

Another player may have interpreted it differently

That's the thing - there's 10 people in the game, unless they're all in on the "joke" then it's not okay.

StalwartKníghtJul 22, 20181 votes

Exactly, why does it matter to them what me and another player are engaged in? I wasn't saying kys to them and i would never do that to anyone just in the purpose of hurting them. I was speaking to lee which is quite clear in the full chat logs during the game that riot doens't provide for some reason. It was a joke and he knew it as well. I wasn't speaking to anyone else lol.

ChermorgJul 22, 20187 votes

Telling someone to kill themselves is something very severe and never okay. You should not need a warning something so severe is unacceptable, thus the severe punishment.

StalwartKníghtJul 22, 20181 votes

But its NOT THAT SIMPLE! "Saying kys is so severe you should not need a warning" IT WAS A JOKE and he got it... Thats the thing when people joke with one another then its all fine and dandy but the system doesn't see jokes it sees reports. HE knew I was joking! Probably a report troll in the game who just wanted to see my account banned and thus reported me for saying kys.

BeatzBoyFTWJul 22, 20186 votes

It's never considered a joke, alright? You wanna joke around, use another dumb remark than that one.

StalwartKníghtJul 22, 20181 votes

Its never considered a joke... to you! Thats it. We all see things differently and I get that but is that not the purpose of the chat filter? We are mature people and people who say kys and actually mean it need help... Have you never had a friend jokingly say kys or anything else considered "Offensive" to you after you mess with them. ITS A MEME! literally a meme... "I want to die" "END ME" memes from youtubers and the internet.

ModThe DjinnJul 22, 20186 votes

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Its never considered a joke... to you! Thats it.

...or to Riot, who is the one with the ability to make the rules.

ChermorgJul 22, 20185 votes

To the vast majority of society suicide is not a joke. The vast majority of the League community wants people who think it is a joke to be removed from the community.

Zombie GerbilJul 22, 20186 votes

Telling a player to "kys" is against the policy and one of the top severity on the zero-tolerance list. Regardless of your intent, no player has the rights to say that. If the IFS or Riot catches a player saying it, they skip two penalties. Straight to 14-day bans. No one has special privileges in this game.

Just so you know, you're now on VERY thin ice. After your ban 14-day ban is up, anything you say or do that is against the Terms of Use that would normally receive a penalty will lead you to a permaban. Because you're on your 3rd penalty, and there's only 4. Your next penalty after this ban will be last unless you go for a VERY long time not getting reported and drop a penalty tier.

YerroFeverJul 22, 20185 votes

If Riot let everyone say awful things to other people and just call it a joke, then we'd have horrible toxicity problems. You could call people n%%%%rs or f%%%%ts and then say it's a joke when you really intend to hurt someone.

So, rather than let a toxic chat environment grow and spread because people are claiming it's a joke, they're saying "get a better sense of humor and stop using words/phrases/acronyms that are meant solely to be toxic to other people"

StalwartKníghtJul 22, 20181 votes

"You could call people n****** and f****** and just call it a joke when you really intend to hurt someone" but that literally isn't what I was trying to do contextually speaking. We were jokingly trash talking one another and in the context I found my response suitable to his statements and actions beforehand and not in the sense of hurting his feelings but as a way of joking, does the address of the statement no longer matter? I did not address the other players in the game in with that statement but rather just him and in a joking matter via the context of our conversation. IT is imbecilic to state that just because someone who wasn't even addressed takes offense to something that had nothing to do with them is able to report me and get me banned for a joke directed towards someone who understood it and no one else.

YerroFeverJul 22, 20182 votes

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"You could call people n****** and f****** and just call it a joke when you really intend to hurt someone" but that literally isn't what I was trying to do contextually speaking. We were jokingly trash talking one another and in the context I found my response suitable to his statements and actions beforehand and not in the sense of hurting his feelings but as a way of joking, does the address of the statement no longer matter? I did not address the other players in the game in with that statement but rather just him and in a joking matter via the context of our conversation. IT is imbecilic to state that just because someone who wasn't even addressed takes offense to something that had nothing to do with them is able to report me and get me banned for a joke directed towards someone who understood it and no one else.

Actually, the mere utterance of certain words can be injurious to people even if it's not directed at them. A person of african heritage can be in a game and not be the target of the N word can still be injured by someone uttering it at someone else. The venom and intent behind that word is demeaning and derogatory, and thus can still be hurtful even if it's not directed at them.

Going back to the point of not using words/phrases/acronyms that are solely meant to be offensive, harmful, demeaning, derogatory, etc...

Riot's stance is that you have no business saying those things in League of Legends, which is Riot's private property, which means if you don't like their stance, stop playing League of Legends and go find another game company that tolerates you saying those things to other people. It's just like if I went into your home with an air horn and pots and pans and were blaring the horn and banging the pots and pans in your home. You have every right to tell me to get out of your house.

EDIT: Also, referring to your issue where you try to say you weren't doing that in context. You can claim it all you want, but Riot sees the whole chat log of everyone in the game. You don't get the whole chat log and we don't see it because of privacy policies... and Riot also says you are solely responsible for what you do, which means it doesn't matter what they say. Your words are what are inspected and if you went out of line, you are punished for going out of line. So stop trying to convince the forums about your context. It means absolutely nothing because the forum doesn't have the power to reverse your punishment. All you're doing is just arguing with people as to why you shouldn't be punished when we don't have any authority or ability to change your punishment.

All we can do is explain why you got punished. If you don't like the explanation, go open a support ticket because none of us have any power to change your punishment and trying to convince people who can't change your punishment gets you nothing.

StalwartKníghtJul 22, 20181 votes

HMM so just because i say something someone doesn't like, even though its not physically hurting them, and not even directed at them, means i should be punished? LOL how can you, being most likely from America even state that without realized the irony behind it. EVERYONE everywhere takes offense to all sorts of shit but that doesn't mean that the perpetrators of that "offense" should be banned just because you don't like it. If I ran around saying kys to people without contextual claim then yes ban me no hesitation as that is meant with the intent of hurting people. But as I posted previously that was not the intent that both Lee and I understood.

YerroFeverJul 22, 20182 votes

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HMM so just because i say something someone doesn't like, even though its not physically hurting them, and not even directed at them, means i should be punished? LOL how can you, being most likely from America even state that without realized the irony behind it. EVERYONE everywhere takes offense to all sorts of shit but that doesn't mean that the perpetrators of that "offense" should be banned just because you don't like it. If I ran around saying kys to people without contextual claim then yes ban me no hesitation as that is meant with the intent of hurting people. But as I posted previously that was not the intent that both Lee and I understood.

You're trying to prove that in the context, Lee didn't get offended. They could have baited you and let you repeat it just to seal your punishment. You're claiming it but have no proof. Oh, and to repeat the edit, there's no point in trying to convince the forums. We don't have the power to reverse your punishment.

Riot sets the rules and if you don't like Riot's rules, play a different game.

YerroFeverJul 22, 20185 votes

Again, really, you need to stop trying to convince the forums that Riot shouldn't punish you for saying K%S to someone.

All the forum can do is read the chat logs you provide tell you why you got punished. If you want to get it reversed or lessened because you believe it was an improperly issued punishment, you have to open a support ticket.

Telling all of us on the forums that you and Lee were in on a joke doesn't actually help you at all. It won't get your punishment reversed. It won't get your punishment lightened.

All you're trying to do is convince the community that you shouldn't be punished, when we have no power to change your punishment.

Accept that your sense of humor is unacceptable on Riot's private property or open a support ticket.

SugeMinPikkJul 22, 20182 votes

What Aneirin said is correct

StalwartKníghtJul 22, 20182 votes

So I would like to thank everyone for their replies to my post. So to conclude I must be ever vigilant to never slip up in chat as even one bad game can cause a 2 week suspension of my account after having a completely clean record for the duration. I thank those who responded for their depth and transparency in helping me to better understand Riot's systems in place. I realize that they are a private company and have guidelines they want their player base and community to follow and I will do better to follow them. I thank everyone once more for their time and Goodnight all!

StalwartKníghtJul 22, 20181 votes

really, it was a joke after lee repeatedly insulted me. Honestly its crazy how strict the system is...

StalwartKníghtJul 22, 20181 votes

Honestly a really snowflake system to be honest.... If you are gonna 14 day suspend someone who was honor 5 almost all last season, and honor 4 this season for one game, you better get the full context of the game. I never meant to hurt anyone and I didn't... The conversation in the game would show you that what i said was as a joke. I literally told lee to go eat food because he was spam pinging me and plus this was a blind pick game. Like seriously, I have never ever had anything bad on my account and one slip up and just like that 14 day suspension. Its insane!

TrundamereJul 22, 20184 votes

The context doesn't matter. Clearly someone interpreted it well/badly enough to report you for it. The topic of Self-Harm is taken very seriously, joke or not, doesn't matter. especially when you expose other people on the team to the topic who might not want to hear such things. If this lee sin is your friend and you were only talking to him then you should whisper it to him so others on your team don't have to hear such.

StalwartKníghtJul 22, 20181 votes

"Context doesn't matter" How so? Context matters in every situation... We are playing a video game, its not as if we are in a life or death situation in all seriousness. If someone finds everything offensive, there is a chat filter for a reason. I was sure that the community around this game that would have the chat filter off would be of adult age and not super offended people. Why have chat filter off if you would be offended by everything blocked in the first place? And in a competitive video game people make jokes and get mad and though i would not say that excuses my language 100% the context in which it occurred was acceptable. CONTEXT does matter.

TrundamereJul 22, 20184 votes

The Context doesn't matter because that is how Riot programmed the system to function and with the reasoning that players are responsible for their own actions no matter what other external factors may or may not be in play at the time. Riot expects you to have enough Self-Control to be able to control what buttons you press on your keyboard. That is why Context doesn't matter.

A Chat Filter is not an excuse for you to type whatever you want. Chat Filters and the Mute functions are there because players are NOT allowed to retaliate against toxic players as it only serves to add more fuel to the fire. So those functions are there as a way for a player to try to avoid any further exposure to toxic statements if they no longer wish to see them until they can report the toxic player after the game is over.

The self-harm topic in my book is as extreme as it gets. There is absolutely no situation where you can justify to me, any excuse to tell anyone to self-harm, joking or otherwise, in an eSport, in Team chat, where other people who most likely don't want to see such things regardless if it actually offends them or not, have to see it and / or have the chance to misinterpret what you said. The fact you were reported for it speaks for its self.

And for me personally, it is not even about if the words actually hurt/offend someone. I am very very hard to offend but I will report any toxic behavior If I see it. It is about having good sportsmanship. And if you don't care about sportsmanship, then don't play an eSport. Or find one that doesn't care rather or not its players are toxic.

Suggesting self-harm to anyone is beyond unsportsmanlike behavior. It is abhorrent behavior. You be best to take this as your first and last warning and take the time to learn what is acceptable and what is not, before you type stuff in to team chat again.