I'm tired of Verbal Abusers Reporting

DonDragonette·Mar 11, 2018·6 votes·847 views

I'm Sick of people who can speak exactly how they want call me things and can say whatever, but the minute you respond to some one to tell them to stop or be quiet, you're chat restricted. In the Past 7 day I've been chat restricted twice due to player with a horrible attitude berating and downing team and enemy alike. If you send it a Verbal Abuse report you should also Automatically be Reviewed as well. If this already happens it isn't working. If this doesn't exist it should. I'm tired of a community being controlled by the weak minded and weak willed that will Spout hate speech and filth in game chat, some one puts them in their place and that person is Chat restricted but probably not the reporter themselves. In total I will have be chat restricted for 35 games in which i was not vulgar or perverse being reported by people who are the main Offenders. This abuse reporting system of Chat restrictions is flawed, it must only look at the amount of complaints against you, search nothing of the reporting players chat log, wrongfully punishing people who haven't offended enough to be punished in even a class room type setting. Online interactions can not be rated. SO if I ask or tell a toxic player to be quiet or shut up or a little insult after they pop off about something and you respond "eat me" and then mute them. I'm the one that is chat restricted. This system only punishes the reported player. Not the reporting play as well THE REPORTING PLAYER SHOULD ALSO BE VIEWED FOR THE SAME REPORT THEY SEND IN CONCERNING ABUSE. THEY ALSO STATE THAT A PAST OF GOOD DOESN'T MAKE UP FOR A NOW OR FUTURE OF BEING RUDE, IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN IF YOU REPORT SOME ONE FOR AFK FEEDING OR ANY OTHER OFFENSE IF YOU'VE COMMITTED THE OFFENSE WITH IN THE SAME TIME THEY CAN SIGHT YOU BACK TO PAST BEHAVIOR THE REPORTING PLAYER SHOULD BE SUBJECTED TO THE SAME REPRIMAND THE REPORTED PLAYER GETS IF THEY ARE ALSO AT FAULT AS WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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BlueThingamajigMar 11, 20184 votes

Mute

Report

And try to move on.

It only takes a single report for the game to be reviewed, regardless of who is doing the reporting. In addition, only the first report matters. All extra reports are irrelevant. This means you have the ability to have the system look at the other player. Your report matters. Mute, report, and move on.

YerroFeverMar 11, 20182 votes

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but the minute you respond to some one to tell them to stop or be quiet, you're chat restricted.

Show me your chat logs, maybe we can tell you what got you punished. Telling someone to stop or be quiet isn't punishable, unless you are flaming them in order to try to get them to stop or be quiet...

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

ame 1 DonDragonette: who corrected you're to your? DonDragonette: eat me kid DonDragonette: muted DonDragonette: eh oh well DonDragonette: sorry rive going to have to mute you DonDragonette: really fizz? DonDragonette: after those ganks you say that? DonDragonette: saying i fed? DonDragonette: with 7 assists DonDragonette: fizz has 5 deaths lol DonDragonette: i help him get them i know he has 4 DonDragonette: whatever riven toxic trash DonDragonette: sure sure ok man DonDragonette: you must be on the rag DonDragonette: calm down now lol DonDragonette: jesus DonDragonette: toxic toxic riven DonDragonette: sure sure ok buddy DonDragonette: they are yelling at me somthing aweful DonDragonette: sure sure ok buddy DonDragonette: i'll do better the more you yell at me DonDragonette: they think berating me and yelling at me will make get get more kills DonDragonette: look at what i'm dealing with? DonDragonette: after getting fizz 4 kills by ganking mid DonDragonette: oh me nah i'll get yelled at no matter what DonDragonette: i coudln't care less after beening down like this DonDragonette: a toxic team doesn't deserve to win anywya DonDragonette: lol ok i'm flaming DonDragonette: i never said that lol DonDragonette: lol whateve you say DonDragonette: you're joking DonDragonette: 0/8/8 DonDragonette: i'be beeen giving up ills DonDragonette: calm down jesus DonDragonette: most toxic team i've ever played with DonDragonette: yay kha good comeback you got a tower and did a good play DonDragonette: lol ok enjoy your chat restrictions DonDragonette: you can fizz lol Game 2 DonDragonette: all play safe DonDragonette: better safe than sorry DonDragonette: don't let them know DonDragonette: no you aren't DonDragonette: a perfectly ok play DonDragonette: you odn't lol DonDragonette: dw DonDragonette: on my next back DonDragonette: sure DonDragonette: chill mn DonDragonette: mf you need a time out DonDragonette: wow chill out guy DonDragonette: no one does better being bath mouthed DonDragonette: bath? bad DonDragonette: bot ya on ya own i'm not helping that mf DonDragonette: brand inc DonDragonette: so DonDragonette: lol you both saw me lol DonDragonette: gal was coming top went for the pinch DonDragonette: oh please spare me DonDragonette: she goes solo DonDragonette: stop going solo DonDragonette: why are you still talking? DonDragonette: seriously please jsut mute me if you are just going to do this DonDragonette: blah blah blah sure buddy DonDragonette: lol micro managers DonDragonette: agreed DonDragonette: by the entire team? DonDragonette: i did not lol i was trying to type to your dumbasses on my team DonDragonette: shut up and play DonDragonette: i'm not doing bad either DonDragonette: i'm 4/5 my team is upset because they are losing their lanes but zil's cool and bot has skil DonDragonette: omg can you please stop DonDragonette: fiora please just stop you're making it worse DonDragonette: listen you toxic trash i've been playing this game scince 2011 i know what's going on. DonDragonette: stop going solol fiora DonDragonette: fiora please shutup DonDragonette: ok DonDragonette: ok DonDragonette: you're muted DonDragonette: all 8 of your deaths ar by the enemy team fiora DonDragonette: 2 of my deaths are from camps lol Game 3 DonDragonette: never even noticed DonDragonette: seriously we are 5 mins in DonDragonette: and don't say what i can and can't do DonDragonette: i know that you can shut up little girl DonDragonette: toxic little cunny DonDragonette: don't sound like such a prick then can't hear tone in text DonDragonette: that is censored pfft ok DonDragonette: i'm sure i know what i can and can't do i've been playing before this champ was released kiddo DonDragonette: alrighty then here DonDragonette: was that the dragon? DonDragonette: you talk to much keep your mouth shut. DonDragonette: just shut guy DonDragonette: i don't want to mute you because you might have 1 smart thing to say this whole game DonDragonette: oooo kay have fun then DonDragonette: i'll win your lane for you DonDragonette: sorry no prizes for runner up bud

ChermorgMar 11, 20188 votes

You spent the vast majority of the games harassing your teammates (or enemies). That's not acceptable regardless of what anyone else is saying. If you think someone else was acting inappropriately, you should report them and their behavior will be reviewed - however, that will not justify you acting in this manner whatsoever, and will not mean that you get off without penalty for your poor behavior.

You don't control their actions. You control your enter key - thus it is considered your responsibility to not behave in this manner.

Gamer LifeMar 11, 20181 votes

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You spent the vast majority of the games harassing your teammates (or enemies). That's not acceptable regardless of what anyone else is saying. If you think someone else was acting inappropriately, you should report them and their behavior will be reviewed - however, that will not justify you acting in this manner whatsoever, and will not mean that you get off without penalty for your poor behavior.

You don't control their actions. You control your enter key - thus it is considered your responsibility to not behave in this manner.

How was that harassing? was you there?

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

The time stamps are not put on there. These games are well into 45-50 minute games of me constantly being berated. Where I doubt these people got punished an they were more in the wrong. all this chat log happened with in a 4-8 minute period it was not all game long nor even close to hardly any of the game.

ChermorgMar 11, 20183 votes

The time does not matter. Harassment in League is never okay - regardless of when, for how long, or who it is directed towards.

Further, there is not really a concept of "more in the wrong" - there is either wrong or not wrong in League. Unless you use hate speech or another very small subset of what is considered "extreme" toxicity - you will be punished the same regardless of if you harass someone for 8 minutes, 10 minutes, or 40 minutes. It is never okay in any amount and it is treated the same regardless of "how badly" toxic you are.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

i'm saying if i get punished they should to because you don't verbally abuse yourself.

ChermorgMar 11, 20183 votes

Just as you were given three "chances" before this resulted in a punishment for you, they are afforded the same opportunity to have a "slip up" every once in a while. If you reported them, the game was taken into account and their account was issued an appropriate flag or punishment as merited. You will not necessarily get a notification if your report ever results in a punishment.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

Why would an honest offender Report offense for what he himself is doing?

If i was a Physically Abusive husband, would I report Other abusive spouses?

ChermorgMar 11, 20181 votes

I highly doubt all 9 other players in the game were flaming you. It is highly likely that an uninvolved player reported you - very often when a Rioter comes to the boards to clarify someone's ban, they make sure to explain that players are usually reported by uninvolved players.

It doesn't necessarily have to be the player who you flamed who reported you - anyone could've reported you and it's highly likely people other than the ones you flamed reported you.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

OK maybe I am not Clear. I did a bad thing. Other people who probably reported did bad things too. If you do bad thing and report some one for doing bad thing you should get punished for doing a bad thing too.

ChermorgMar 11, 20182 votes

That's not how it works - have you heard of "immunity" for people who report a passed out underage kid who's been drinking? Those types of laws exist because if they arrested those other kids who were drinking - that kid would have died.

Likewise, if Riot reviewed players' behavior when they report, it would discourage reporting of bad behavior, meaning bad behavior would be punished a lot less.

Also, as I said above, Riot bases punishment on what players find offensive. If nobody reports it, Riot's view is that it didn't deserve a punishment. If all players in a game are okay with saying something, it won't be punished unless reported.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

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That's not how it works - have you heard of "immunity" for people who report a passed out underage kid who's been drinking? Those types of laws exist because if they arrested those other kids who were drinking - that kid would have died.

Likewise, if Riot reviewed players' behavior when they report, it would discourage reporting of bad behavior, meaning bad behavior would be punished a lot less.

Also, as I said above, Riot bases punishment on what players find offensive. If nobody reports it, Riot's view is that it didn't deserve a punishment. If all players in a game are okay with saying something, it won't be punished unless reported.

I'm sorry sir or ma'am but this makes no sense. Those laws don't exist You break the law you get punished period. If i'm robbing a bank and your robbing a bank and i report you i don't get away with robbing a bank.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

So all this has Taught me Make a larger stink than the other person then report them for the same wrong doing each time and then you're always going to be seen as the good guy because they don't look into what i've done after i've reported you.

Kei143Mar 11, 20182 votes

I would advise against that.

If I see two people arguing with each other and both are toxic, I would report both of them, even though their argument is not directed towards me.

As I mentioned in the other post on how the system works, people are reviewed independantly when the system recieves a report. Just because one person is toxic, doesn't make the other person less toxic. They'll still have a toxicity grade assigned to them and it will still accumulate in their behavior history.

Personally, I'd rather not have any toxicity grade accumulated against me at all.

ChermorgMar 11, 20181 votes

That's untrue. The laws exist for people drinking underage who report someone overdosing, the same with illegal drugs, child abuse, neglect, and a few other things.

If you thought their behavior was bad, you need to report it.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

instruct me on how to obtain the other logs showing the entire chat and you will see how this is wrongful. I've played this game since 2011 and I can't recall this ever happening. Nor even in this absurd frequency.

ChermorgMar 11, 20188 votes

I have been playing this game for about that long as well and I can guarantee you (from having read these boards and been in game) that punishments for toxicity such as yours have gone out for a long time. Even under Tribunal this is something that would've been an easy punish vote from me and very likely from the community as well.

You will not be given the other players' chat logs nor are they necessary - your punishment is based fully on what you said, and only on what you said.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

I've not said once i shouldn't have been punished. I'm stating that if you report you need to be viewed for the offense as well. Considering, what i have been saying is in these cases the reporters were worse than i was. And GO un punished

ChermorgMar 11, 20185 votes

And that's fine - if you think they behaved poorly, you should report them and the game will review them. If you do not report, the game will not just review their behavior, because Riot uses the report feature to judge if players are finding things offensive and inappropriate or not. If nobody reports a player, it is assumed that the player being reported's offense was not strong enough to merit a punishment in the minds of those he/she was playing with. As such, there is not and will not be "automatic review" of players who report others.

If you reported them, the game was taken into account and their profile was marked or punished appropriately if they behave poorly consistently. Again, you will not necessarily get notification if they ever get punished based on your report, and they are highly unlikely to be punished for just one game of poor behavior.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

A life time of good behavior doesn't excuse one instance. It is said like think very close is what Riot has to say about it. so it shouldn't matter if they were the saint for 99 out of 100 games and a jerk for 1 because the way it reads you are all way always going to be graded on what you just did not what you've done.

ChermorgMar 11, 20182 votes

You will be judged on what you did - but accounts aren't just punished off one bad game. Just like you were allowed three bad games before you got punished, they will be given the same opportunity.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

4 games. You miss the point if I am abusing you physically and you fight back it's self-defense. Verbal abuse retaliation is also Abuse is what you are say. I'm tracking 100% with that. If you verbal abuse and assault me and I do it back. then you report me for it you need to have the Magnifying glass put on yourself as well. Like i've been trying to say you don't verbal abuse yourself. What i did was defend myself and it being see as blatant Attacks of abuse.

ChermorgMar 11, 20183 votes

Yes it is. Verbal retaliation is never self defense. You are not in any bodily danger by them flaming you. You have a mute button. You are expected to mute and report them, not retaliate.

If you think they behaved poorly, you should report them. It does not change the fact that your behavior earned you a punishment. I have said multiple times now why a "look at the reporter and the reported" policy is not feasible and would in fact be detrimental.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

Once again you've subverted my words, You've constantly made it look like i've tried to lift my punishment and prove i've done nothing wrong which isn't true. and in the verbal abuse standpoint the report and be reported isn't detrimental it would force players to be more honest and also nice. I have no idea how you think that in any case that if some one who hasn't committed a crime reports one isn't also investigated as well then i'm sorry you're naive.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

If i'm in an online game where all chat history is saved And i'm offending the same rules i'm reporting some one for i should be punished no matter what. End of story. This isn't real life it is bytes and bits of data all saved and neatly time stamped. If you're telling me they don't look at the reporting person's chat log as well then the system is flawed in need or reform because it is only protecting the offenders and the dishonest

EL HAMSTEROMar 11, 20181 votes

you are right and the system is deeply flawed. it is the best one they can come up with at the moment though.

you just have to know that in this game you are not allowed to stand up for yourself when someone is talking shit about you. it sucks but that is the way it is.

Silent GravityMar 11, 20181 votes

"Insult" - Other "That's not true." - Me

Look how easy it is to stand up for yourself and not get punished.

Kei143Mar 11, 20181 votes

They do get reviewed upon getting reported. This is how the system works:

Receive a report
Check that player's logs for toxicity
Assigns a toxicity grade to it, 0=no toxicity and 100= used hate speech
Repeat step 1 for all other reports received.
Accumulates the toxicity grade to the player's toxicity grade in his behavioral history.

If you reported the person, and they didn't reach a toxicity grade of 100, they won't get punished for that specific game. Doesn't mean they won't get punished for the future games, and that specific report you did will be considered as part of his punishment.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

This is exactly what i need! Can you direct me to where you learned this information. so we can verify it's 100% correct.

Kei143Mar 11, 20181 votes

Ughhhhhh ....

This is through observing Riot Tantram's posts for over 4 yrs.

Can't really give you a specific link that says these. But you hear him say things like:

1 report is enough to flag the system for toxicity, multiple reports don't speed up the punishment
If they keep up this behavior, they will be punished
System punishes based on consistency x severity
In the past 3 months, you have been validly reported for 12% of your games
False reports don't matter

So you piece these bits and pieces together and you'll get a general idea of how the system works.

Other regular behavior folks can vouch of those things he says.

RaiceDaoudMar 11, 20181 votes

Behave in what manner? Basically he should have 0 opinions other than 'gg' 'nt' 'we will get them next time! dw guys!' when he is faced with players raging in chat? You domesticated hamster.

ChermorgMar 11, 20181 votes

He doesn't have to like them - he doesn't have to respond at all. If he chooses to respond, he is not permitted to flame/harass them back.

It does not matter what other players are doing, you are expected to keep your cool and not be toxic yourself. If you can't do this, you're expected to mute them and ignore them.

woodvsmurphMar 11, 20181 votes

Some of the stuff was inflamatory... others were not. Ex: Asking toplaner to stop trying to 1v1 a fed fiora Asking team to play safe and wait for him to be able to gank bot after he backs and buys.

Those aren't toxic. And judging from some of his other replies, his teammates basically roast him for stuff like... toplane dies 1v1 to fiora for 4th time when he was on the way top to gank and now he can't gank for them because they're dead. Or bot lane forces fight when fizz is probably halfway to bot lane to make a 3v2 play, they die, mf flames mid. You can stay silent and let everyone think mf is correct and let her probably keep doing that kind of mistake. Or you can explain how she went wrong - without being a jerk about it; be honest though - and maybe she corrects her play and you can make the next attempt work. Explaining why something is a mistake isn't wrong. Asking a teammate to play safe or - if their lane opponent(s) are camping a different lane - to push tower or rotate isn't wrong. Jumping on them and just telling them they suck is wrong. But saying, hey, your lane opponents are camping me, please either push tower or rotate and help me is not "toxic".

Yet I've had plenty of games where team calls you toxic and proceeds to flame you for stuff like that (asking them to push or rotate).

ggigotfedMar 11, 20182 votes

Hopefully this becomes a permaban to teach you it's wrong to be toxic.

Good riddance

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20183 votes

You're toxic.

ggigotfedMar 11, 20181 votes

I may be toxic but only after the game has ended so they can feel really bad about themselves. Then they'll want to try and win another game, but because I'm not solo carrying them they can't win. And it will just lead to pain and suffering, Which if you are toxic you deserve. League is not a game for fun it's a game you play when you know deep down you're a piece of shit.

Also anyone is welcome in the ivory tower that my ass sits in but you have to not be a complete fucking failure at the game first.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

oh you poor thing please feel free to never speak to me again because what i said it was in defense you're trying to get a rise out of me after all this that's cute? You're either young and stupid or old and stupid. You know nothing of my out side this so please do shut up now. Everything said here was in defense of myself or some one else so, Stop it, get some help. You Fool.

ggigotfedMar 11, 20181 votes

Don't need a rise out of you. Need you at my parents place this week we're having dinner at my parents place.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

Hopefully For humble pie. I"m just a person who stood up for their self and got Punished for it.

ChermorgMar 11, 20182 votes

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If i'm in an online game where all chat history is saved And i'm offending the same rules i'm reporting some one for i should be punished no matter what. End of story. This isn't real life it is bytes and bits of data all saved and neatly time stamped. If you're telling me they don't look at the reporting person's chat log as well then the system is flawed in need or reform because it is only protecting the offenders and the dishonest

Going to start a new comment thread as the old one is getting close to being unreadable (the software won't be able to display it nested after a few more replies):

If you're telling me they don't look at the reporting person's chat log as well then the system is flawed in need or reform because it is only protecting the offenders and the dishonest

No, it is not. It is protecting those players who would worry every time they report "oh shit did I do something bad that game". By the end of game screen, players won't be able to remember everything they said in game. If Riot said "hey look, if you report, your behavior gets looked at as well", they won't report the player who told them to go kill themselves because they'll be scared that maybe they slipped up and said something that game.

Riot uses the report feature to determine what behavior is unacceptable. Your behavior was reported in all of three games. If the other player did not get any reports, Riot assumes their behavior was considered acceptable by everyone involved and does not punish that player. If you do not report, Riot will not punish someone.

I will say it again to make it clear: Riot will not punish someone unless they are reported. If nobody reports a player, it is assumed their actions were not overly offensive or inappropriate. If nobody reports a player, it is assumed that all involved were okay with the chat, and players should not be punished if nobody in the game cared enough to report them.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

Ok so if I mute all chat and only work with pings i'm all good considering. I don't understand how you can sit there and Type "shit" and not get in trouble? when this is the very reason i made this discussion. If you're doing bad you shouldn't get off scott free if you've done nothing wrong then you don't have to worry about reporting some one.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

you've also be zero help and only confrontational from the start and completely missing the entire question of this discussion which is me saying do they look at a verbal abuse reporters chat log as well if so why aren't they punished as well if found to be an offender. you constantly antagonized and twist my words to make me look like some one trying to weasel their way out of punishment and or trying to get it lightened. I have No idea how or why you even came to this discussion I only assume you came to this to try to flaunt superiority over some one whom has said they were at fault, and you are just trying to drive the point in past the wall. If there is a way for me to block you please tell me how as it would be my pleasure never to see your name ever come across my screen again.

LeylaniaMar 11, 20181 votes

They look at the other flamers chat if you report them, as far as I know the system does not check their chat without a report.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20182 votes

I refuse to be a "policeman" in game that Is world wide famous and makes countless millions to do an employees job for them. If you are offended easy you should be the one removed from the chat automatically muting them in certain key words are said. The fact you stick around to hear the verbal abuse is you consenting that is ok to speak that way other wise you'd have muted them the first time. but that isn't a good idea it is a team game and you need to communicate. FLAWED SYSTEM

Silent GravityMar 11, 20181 votes

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Game 1 DonDragonette: muted DonDragonette: sorry rive going to have to mute you Game 2 DonDragonette: fiora please shutup DonDragonette: you're muted Game 3 DonDragonette: i know that you can shut up little girl DonDragonette: you talk to much keep your mouth shut. DonDragonette: just shut guy DonDragonette: i don't want to mute you because you might have 1 smart thing to say this whole game

This, combined with the main point of this post being that the people that reported you should get punished....

You don't seem to be very consistent.

DonDragonetteMar 11, 20181 votes

if the other person submitting abuse is guilty of the same offense they should be punished. you should read better.