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RIOT'S SYSTEM OF BEHAVIORAL REGULATION IS FLAWED, AGREE OR DISAGREE

DeviousGrim··6 votes·2,185 views

I BELIEVE RIOT OWES ME ALL THE MONEY I'VE INVESTED INTO MY PERMANENTLY BANNED ACCOUNT, EVER SINCE MISS FORTUNE'S CHAMPION SPOTLIGHT.

A ONE MONTH SUSPENSION WOULD HAVE SUFFICED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW7WlT6OJxE

                   I was permanently banned for lame reasons. I was even sent an old chat log from an old game I had already forgotten about. Why would you ban anyone when some players report them and send you a chat log that only has you talking in it, as if I was talking to myself. Players in the other team were being negative too; but you don't see that in the chat-log. You only see what I typed, and that makes me wonder as to how Riot regulates. So you're telling me that players who report, pretty much edit everything in the chat-log and only post what the reported player is typing?, because if you are banning players by that simple reason, you really do not know what is going on in the game. Ok, yeah, I get angry, so what?, am I being racist in any way?, am I threatening to kill anyone?, No I'm simply expressing a little anger, that I don't even take home with me. I'm just a little pissed that's all, big fucking deal. You guys take these reports the wrong way. You don't even know what really goes on in the games. You got players who are given good advice and get angry simply for that reason, because they are getting advice, then in game they start to feed and want to rage quit. I don't even bother to report those types of players. Why would you want to rage quit in a rank game, where people are trying to rank up. Stick to normal games if you haven't learned the basics. It really is a waste of time for players who actually know what they are doing and have to try and carry these noobs. What?, you're going to permanently ban me because I used the word noob?, get the hell out of here with that bullshit. These rage quitters don't even try to win games, they simply get angry in a game and want to forfeit at 20 minutes into the game, when I'm there, still trying to make comebacks. That shit pisses me off man, what the hell is wrong with this system of regulation?. Is the system automatic, or are there actually people reading through these bullshit reports. Because they're not doing a very good job if you ask me. 

                   Those rage quitters who don't even try to make comebacks in a game, are the ones who report the good players who are actually trying to win, if you haven't notice yet. The players who are actually trying to win these ranked games get reported, Why?, because they're expressing a little anger?. Give me a break Riot, you know that's ridiculous. I bought so many fucking skins in that account, to get permanently banned is like a smack to the face by Riot, telling you to your face " we don't care about how much money you spent in our game". You guys at Riot get these reports and just go with it as if you knew what actually happens in these rank games. You don't even know!; but I'll tell you what happens: These raging noobs, with no basic knowledge of the game, go into these rank games and if they don't like what they have to read from a player who is actually trying to help them, these noobs go ahead and take advantage of this behavioral regulation system, the wrong way, and get good players permanently banned.

                    You guys are permanently banning players who are actually trying to win the games and rank up. Does Riot even look at the score-board before banning anyone?, because my scores are pretty positive, if you look at them closely, pay attention, would you Riot?, pay attention TO THE SCORE BOARD. You are banning good players because bad players, who enter rank without basic knowledge of the game continue to report, because they got angry about a good player who gave them good advice... What you don't see is that these bad players who are actually the ones reporting, are reporting out of spite, because they know they fed the whole game, they know that if they had taken the good advice given by the player who actually knows what he/she is doing, they would have contributed to their team in a much productive way, increasing the chances to win the game; but noooooo, permanently ban the good players who are just a little pissed. So what?, I like to talk, you guys are going to permanently ban anyone who decides to share just a little anger. You guys need to learn a little thing about right and wrong. Riot's system of behavioral regulation is flawed. Cry me a river, I've been playing this game since Miss Fortune's champion spotlight, and Riot is going to permanently ban me now?. I used to say worst things before, I've actually learned to suppress that nature as I grew older and wiser playing this game. Riot's system of regulation is ridiculous.

[zombie-brand-mindblown] WHAT BLASPHEMY IS THIS?!!!!!!

66 Comments

Samus7211 votes

I ought to make a macro for posts like this.

You were given three warnings prior to your permanent ban. Clearly, you didn't heed the warning.

You are owed nothing. All financial transactions are final and non-refundable. Not even the courts could get you your money back.

The chat logs contained YOUR chat showing you what you were punished for. What the other team members said or didn't say is not relevant since it was YOUR behavior being judged. That is why the logs contain only your input.

What do you mean "Riot doesn't even know?" Riot can see the entire game in more minute detail then you could imagine.

I think that's enough. You won't get your account back. The sad part is that you will simply make another and repeat your bad behavior again.

DeviousGrim1 votes

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Zombiemaster6 votes

Well, as far as I know, Riot has NEVER given out 1 month suspensions. The highest temporary suspension has always been 2 weeks. If you're telling the truth and you know players who were suspended for one month, it must have been a very long time ago.

That being said, if players have been suspended for one month, it's irrelevant because there are new punishment tiers these days. Punishments are given out in this order:

1.) 10 game chat restriction 2.) 25 game chat restriction 3.) 14 day ban 4.) Permanent ban

Raka Flaka MD10 votes

You do not own your account or anything on it. You agreed to that when you made the account. They owe you nothing nor do we need toxicness to begin with.

iKaneki iKen2 votes

"Toxicness" is not a word, not only that, but the word doesn't even fit how this person was acting in their games. This player was being a jerk, no other word fits this attitude more perfectly.

IcyPepper1 votes

I think he meant "toxicity," which being a jerk to a far enough degree adds to it.

iKaneki iKen1 votes

What I'm trying to say is, by definition in the dictionary, the word "toxic" or "toxicity" means poisonous, to be poisonous means that it can slowly over time kill you.

Riot decided to try and reinvent the wheel by calling mean spirited players "toxic", they even were as bold to say that the word 'toxic" was the best fitting word for these players, but if any one of them actually paid attention in English class, they'd know they couldn't be any further away from the truth.

To be toxic is to be poisonous, to be poisonous means that something, if not treated, could slowly over time kill you. Being a mean player or a jerk can not kill the player they're being a jerk towards over time.

TrulyBland2 votes

Alcohol is toxic. I don't remember going to the hospital every single time I drink a beer. Toxic doesn't mean it will kill you if it's not treated. Toxic essentially just means that it's harmful. And making the jump from harmful in a physical sense to harmful in a more abstract way is not that difficult. In fact the word "toxic" has been used to describe things that are harmful or destructive in this way for way longer than Riot used the term.

tl;dr: Metaphors, how do they work?

alasarcher7 votes

Why are you trying to excuse your childish actions by mentioning other peoples actions? "Im simply expressing a little ange". Ye , how about no. Nobody has to endure your angry nature.

Dramais1 votes

are you retarded? If people dont want to deal with ragers then mute them. OTherwise im going to type whatever the f i want, because i can.

alasarcher11 votes

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are you retarded? If people dont want to deal with ragers then mute them. OTherwise im going to type whatever the f i want, because i can.

U can but u can also be punished for that

PIMPSMOOTH3 votes

I want to upvote this because of the video link - classic movie - but I cannot.

[zombie-nunu-bummed]

LOL Spammer3 votes

Too bad the post that goes with the clip is worse than a duck playing table tennis.

DeviousGrim1 votes

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ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

Toxicity? In that movie? In that context? You are just... just...

Please just stop...

DeviousGrim1 votes

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ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

Baited? You're admitting that you're trolling? Ok... I know how to deal with that.

DeviousGrim1 votes

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Baited? You're admitting that you're trolling? Ok... I know how to deal with that.

Deal with it*[slayer-jinx-wink]*

DeviousGrim1 votes

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Toxicity? In that movie? In that context? You are just... just...

Please just stop...

You make no sense, I don't think you understand what " " means. You should go back to school. You're like a fish on a hook, get baited. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

DeviousGrim1 votes

[{quoted}](name=LOL Spammer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OJWOd2Tf,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-01-21T03:34:17.680+0000)

Too bad the post that goes with the clip is worse than a duck playing table tennis.

A duck playing table tennis wouldn't make sense, my post is very clear. [slayer-jinx-unamused] The video bares more "toxicity" then the post; but they are actors, so it doesn't count, right?..., well I'm a Troll.[slayer-jinx-wink]

ReadyxPlayerxOne2 votes

You will be the single person to get the entire community to "agree" that RIOT's behavioral Regulation is flawed and that somehow that means we shouldn't have it... Your glory will be eternal and you shall inherit the internet...

Reality is that we want the system. The system has not only checks and double checks but it has an appeals process. It's not perfect. It might have flaws. But let's be honest. You and 99.9% of the people who post these rank piles of undulating feces and pretend it's a gold nugget are just absolutely kidding yourselves. You got banned, RIOT owes you NOTHING. You don't join a club, pay for things that ONLY apply when you're a club member, get kicked out cause your a complete @sshole and then get the money back. It doesn't work like that. Welcome to Life.

DeviousGrim1 votes

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ReadyxPlayerxOne2 votes

Replace it with ANY word that properly describes your negative behavior that you believe applies.

I use "@sshole" because by definition, it means irritating. I think your behavior and others who choose to do similar things is irritating and I use a vulgar word to emphasize my dislike. Replace it however you wish but my comment applies.

You do not pass go, do not collect $200, you go directly to jail.

excodar1 votes

{quoted}

Listen here, buddy, if you are going to call me anything, call me a D1ck, not an @sshole. @ssholes receive, I am a giver, I like to give, I do not receive. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs] I am enjoying this, thank you.

lmao

DeviousGrim1 votes

{quoted}

You will be the single person to get the entire community to "agree" that RIOT's behavioral Regulation is flawed and that somehow that means we shouldn't have it... Your glory will be eternal and you shall inherit the internet...

Reality is that we want the system. The system has not only checks and double checks but it has an appeals process. It's not perfect. It might have flaws. But let's be honest. You and 99.9% of the people who post these rank piles of undulating feces and pretend it's a gold nugget are just absolutely kidding yourselves. You got banned, RIOT owes you NOTHING. You don't join a club, pay for things that ONLY apply when you're a club member, get kicked out cause your a complete @sshole and then get the money back. It doesn't work like that. Welcome to Life.

Listen here, buddy, if you are going to call me anything, call me a D1ck, not an @sshole. @ssholes receive, I am a giver, I like to give, I do not receive. I am enjoying this, thank you. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

HexaDecimel2 votes

There is no point for Riot to include the chat logs of the other players as it has no impact on your suspension. You are banned for what you typed in chat, that is why you can only see your chat logs. It is perfectly possible that other players that were in the match have been banned for their actions but that is not your concern. Your only concern should be mitigating the negative attitude or toxic behavior that you exhibit in your matches.

It is important to remember that the decision to respond to harassment or to harass other players is yours and yours alone. Responding, even if it is just to defend yourself is never a good strategy. The best way to deal with ragers and trolls is to mute and report once the game is over. It is also important to remember that Riot views requesting reports for a particular player unacceptable behavior. Remember that it is not the number of reports a player receives but how frequently they get reported in their games. Therefore one report will suffice and you don't have to worry about a player getting away with something due to the rest of the team not reporting him.

Also, punishments such as suspensions, chat restrictions, and perma bans are not automatically handed out by a system. Frequent reports flag an account for review and if punishment is required it is handed down manually. Therefore it is impossible to be banned by false reports provided that you actually did nothing that violated riots terms.

In regards to the issue of money spent on the game, it is widely known that Terms and Agreement clearly state that Riot has the right to terminate accounts for any reason without reimbursing the player. Players must agree to these terms in order to create an account, and they are also included every time the game is patched.

DeviousGrim1 votes

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There is no point for Riot to include the chat logs of the other players as it has no impact on your suspension. You are banned for what you typed in chat, that is why you can only see your chat logs. It is perfectly possible that other players that were in the match have been banned for their actions but that is not your concern. Your only concern should be mitigating the negative attitude or toxic behavior that you exhibit in your matches.

It is important to remember that the decision to respond to harassment or to harass other players is yours and yours alone. Responding, even if it is just to defend yourself is never a good strategy. The best way to deal with ragers and trolls is to mute and report once the game is over. It is also important to remember that Riot views requesting reports for a particular player unacceptable behavior. Remember that it is not the number of reports a player receives but how frequently they get reported in their games. Therefore one report will suffice and you don't have to worry about a player getting away with something due to the rest of the team not reporting him.

Also, punishments such as suspensions, chat restrictions, and perma bans are not automatically handed out by a system. Frequent reports flag an account for review and if punishment is required it is handed down manually. Therefore it is impossible to be banned by false reports provided that you actually did nothing that violated riots terms.

In regards to the issue of money spent on the game, it is widely known that Terms and Agreement clearly state that Riot has the right to terminate accounts for any reason without reimbursing the player. Players must agree to these terms in order to create an account, and they are also included every time the game is patched.

You prove a good point; but there are a lot of people getting permanently banned over silly things now in days. There is this one kid who got banned for using a Razor-Naga mouse. The Razor-Naga is meant to facilitate game play in any game. Not that you really need to facilitate a six button game; but what if the kid is handicapped and does not want to share that information with anyone he does not personally know?. This is the first time I hear someone get banned over using a Razor-Naga. Why don't you try to explain that to the people responsible for creating the Razor-Naga?. The kid also admitted that he flamed a little, he also apologized. Some people seem happy that others get permanently banned over silly little things. Explain to me how this is not a ban happy group of regulators?. It's not about my account anymore. You are trying to control too much, too much of anything is wrong. Your "000.06%" of people who get permanently banned is increasing. Where is that % up to as we speak?.............. Now, back to playing DoTA 2, where that type of blasphemy does not take place.

HexaDecimel2 votes

In regards to to the individual that got banned and was using a Razor-Naga. As I recall he wasn't banned because he was using that style of mouse, he was banned because of the way he used it. He later on in the thread admitted that he tried to use the mouse to setup a combo that would allow faster reaction time. This went against the rules laid out by riot as it could have potentially given him an advantage over other players and is considered a form of scripting.

DeviousGrim1 votes

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In regards to to the individual that got banned and was using a Razor-Naga. As I recall he wasn't banned because he was using that style of mouse, he was banned because of the way he used it. He later on in the thread admitted that he tried to use the mouse to setup a combo that would allow faster reaction time. This went against the rules laid out by riot as it could have potentially given him an advantage over other players and is considered a form of scripting.

Because of the way he used the mouse?. That's what the Razor-Naga is meant to do. It is not like he is scripting. Banning someone because they have better hardware/software than other players seems rather unfair, don't you think?.. You mean to tell me you're going to permanently ban anyone who has better hardware/software than other players?.

Billy: "Oh hey look!, Jacob, I just invested $1,200 into building my own costume gaming PC. Check out this bad-ass Razor-Naga, I just bought for $150 USD. Holy shit man, I can't wait to play League of Legends and outplay all those noobs, ROFLMAO"...

Riot:" Due to the unfair advantage your hardware/software has over other league players, we will have to permanently Ban your account"

Billy: "Jacob.... My account just got permanently banned?"

Jacob: "WTF!, why?!........Wait!, The account with all the skins?!"

Billy: "Yeah.........."

Jacob: "Didn't you spent real money on all those skins?"

Billy: "yeah...., they don't care about that, it says so in the rules. In a very political kind of way"

Jacob: "Dude, That's so lame......... Hey cheer up man!, forget about the past. You know what?!... Install World of Warcraft and join the same realm as me!. I will help you level up, I promise!". I will help you get ready for the new expansion, this summer!"

Billy: "Thanks Jacob, that sounds like a good idea, just give me some time to digest and reflect these feelings...Damn; but all my skins in that league account though.............. F@ck it!, I'm installing World of Warcraft now!, it's not healthy for me to keep thinking about this..."

HexaDecimel2 votes

As I previously stated. Having the Razor Naga or better hardware then other players would in no way get a player banned. But using it in a manner that violates the Terms and Agreement that Riot has laid out is a bannable offense. It is important for players to read and understand Riots terms if they concerned about potentially violating the rules.

Shonjl2 votes

I thought this was going to be a thread just talking about Riot's system. Then saw the downvotes and it starts with "I was banned, I did nothing wrong" But shows in the thread how bad he is.

Gotta love it

Chaotic Sage1 votes

Small point here. You don't 'buy' skins, you unlock them. They word it this way because at the end of the day you don't even own the account you have, it all belongs to riot. You just pay for the privilege to use the skins or whatever else you pay for. Riot doesn't even NEED a reason to ban you, they just choose to give warnings and such cause some people learn from them. TL;DR you technically own nothing on the account you have access to.

DeviousGrim1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chaotic Sage,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OJWOd2Tf,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2016-01-23T07:00:38.157+0000)

Small point here. You don't 'buy' skins, you unlock them. They word it this way because at the end of the day you don't even own the account you have, it all belongs to riot. You just pay for the privilege to use the skins or whatever else you pay for. Riot doesn't even NEED a reason to ban you, they just choose to give warnings and such cause some people learn from them. TL;DR you technically own nothing on the account you have access to.

Do you think before you write or talk?, Unlocking skins uses peoples "real" money... These LCS Championships, is it not with the help of the money players use to unlock skins among other things Riot has to offer, that they collectively, over a period of time, gather enough money to help showcase these events?, and than Riot gets even richer because of the events post ratings, in addition to all the people who go watch these events. Are you telling all these players who form this community, that their money means nothing?... Is that not bad for business?

Chaotic Sage1 votes

I mean, I always think before I speak and especially before I type, you know what I did here. None of what you said is relevant here by the way. Maybe actually read the Terms of Service that you agreed to every patch and subsequently broke. It's worth every penny if you're smart enough to get banned. Additionally it's fine for business as everyone a player like you gets banned the community gets that little bit better.

DeviousGrim1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chaotic Sage,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OJWOd2Tf,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2016-01-23T07:30:14.449+0000)

I mean, I always think before I speak and especially before I type, you know what I did here. None of what you said is relevant here by the way. Maybe actually read the Terms of Service that you agreed to every patch and subsequently broke. It's worth every penny if you're smart enough to get banned. Additionally it's fine for business as everyone a player like you gets banned the community gets that little bit better.

So where does all the money go?, Charity?, What type of Charity?... DEEZ NUTZ Charity?!

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Chaotic Sage1 votes

It...it goes to Riot? What are you even trying to imply there? You realize you never pay actual money for the skins, right? You pay for Riot points which are used to unlock skins. Just another way of saying you never buy any content that can't be unlocked with IP.

DeviousGrim1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chaotic Sage,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OJWOd2Tf,comment-id=00090000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-23T08:19:58.758+0000)

It...it goes to Riot? What are you even trying to imply there? You realize you never pay actual money for the skins, right? You pay for Riot points which are used to unlock skins. Just another way of saying you never buy any content that can't be unlocked with IP.

Than Riot should disable the purchasing system, because that's just "Devious", just like politics, you know it's a trap; but the way you justify it, it's just "Devious".... You know that's just a form of reverse Psychology, you know this; but it's ok, because you know people will be tempted to buy and it's alright for you to just say, "hey, you know we warned you, right?"; but you know you have kids playing this game who are very likely to just buy and disregard the warnings, you know damn well what you are doing. It's "not" a problem for you guys though, because it's in "written text" as a "warning", soooo "Devious" that you are.

Chaotic Sage1 votes

It's not so much devious as it is a legally intelligent way to do business for an online game. It's literally never a problem for the rest of the community that's not toxic enough to get banned.

DeviousGrim1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chaotic Sage,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OJWOd2Tf,comment-id=0009000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-23T08:32:54.705+0000)

It's not so much devious as it is a legally intelligent way to do business for an online game. It's literally never a problem for the rest of the community that's not toxic enough to get banned.

Or that's not intelligent enough to use a Razor-Naga mouse.

Chaotic Sage1 votes

That ban was explained elsewhere, on this thread I think...he was using it to get a faster reaction time or something which is against the rules.

DeviousGrim1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chaotic Sage,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OJWOd2Tf,comment-id=000900000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-23T08:43:32.251+0000)

That ban was explained elsewhere, on this thread I think...he was using it to get a faster reaction time or something which is against the rules.

Brb bae, gonna take a piss, and than, play more DoTA 2.

Chaotic Sage1 votes

Okay, enjoy. DotA 2 is also a very good game. I'd recommend HotS as well.

DeviousGrim1 votes

Yeah, that game is ok, played it when it first came out, Tyreal is cool. Ttyl*[slayer-jinx-wink]*

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

An all caps title, a block of text, no paragraphs, ranting about riot's behavior system? Aw man i better pay attention to what this guy has to say!

IsoVhell1 votes

You got banned for being toxic. Boo hooo! Maybe you shouldn't be toxic! Simple really.

Im your Romeo1 votes

No. the problem is that Riot take this sht way too serious. A FCKING GAME yet try so much to compete with the nature of men, Riot think that they are " Saint" " they believed that they are J*sus Christ" who don't rage, harass etc... " they think that they are (Mr. perfect)" but in fact its the opposite. they are so full of themselves just because alot of people play it, but they don't actually know that the stat that shown people played, should divide into 3/ because I am sure each and everyone of us have more than 2 account. since there alot of people play, they tend to cut people off, they don't care anymore. it is like " it ok we don't need them anymore we have majority of other player", well keep this though in mind to those who followed blindly to the system, they will cut you off too.

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