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These are things Riot says are not ok to type into chat. Please read.

IntenseRedGamer··6 votes·1,972 views

I was recently suspended for 2 weeks (for a 2nd time). Both times, I believe are completely unjust. I am not that toxic, and whenever I am toxic, it's always to trolls, jerks, or people who don't seem to care about others. Now I know I'm not the only one who occasionally rages at fools who like to make others lives miserable! They told me 99% of players don't get suspended, so wtf?!

I have checked out Riot's ruling on this, and these are some of the things Riot has said are not ok to say in any situation. Every single line of text below this statement is something I've been suspended for. Please tell me if you actually think this is at all fair in any way, because I don't think so.

>:) :P IM SO SORRY!! D: ill help over here im sry dude :( sry again :( :( brb i need to focus :/ hep soon help* (I literally just corrected my spelling and they said that's suspension worthy) leo, we gotta work together, ok? we're a team :( mhm gj this is amazing to me 'mhm wow ks 2 times mmk XD XD XD (I put this emoticon in chat 3 times in a row for a comedic moment that happened to the team in game. They took it out of context and used it against me. Absolutely absurd.) i saw that baron. let’s end e gg HURRY UP wp lol XD (Once again, they said this emoticon is not ok to use. Wtf?) mmk then :/ lol (this is not ok to say? REALLY? It's the short version of how people say 'League of Legends' for pete's sake!) lol gotcha XD bg bye :P cool care, zyra

30 Comments

Jubbinaut10 votes

Some questions:

  • Why did you c/p these lines, rather than post a link to your reform card? It seems rather disingenuous.
  • Was there only one game in your reform card?
  • Do you know what a Texas Sharpshooter fallacy is?
ModUlanopo6 votes

I see a lot of these types of posts and I can see how it can be confusing to be warned or banned for what seems to be innocuous chat. Unfortunately, what these snippets of chat leave out is context. In the spirit of Niven's Laws, I like to explain it like this:

B = I x F
(Bans equal Intensity times Frequency)

When you get right down to it, anything can be toxic if you want it to be. If I spammed the word "booger" 500 times in chat, that would be toxic. This is Frequency.

On the other end, there are certain words and phrases that are incredibly inappropriate and not at all tolerated. This is Intensity.

As I look at what you copied, I'm willing to bet that there is more to the story. You seem to be someone who uses chat a lot and may not be anywhere near the most toxic person in League, but might rub some people the wrong way. The fact that you got two 14-day suspensions says something is up. Those kinds of bans are usually your last chance to reform, so you should definitely consider putting in a support ticket, if you haven't already.

CrisisEchoes1 votes

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I see a lot of these types of posts and I can see how it can be confusing to be warned or banned for what seems to be innocuous chat. Unfortunately, what these snippets of chat leave out is context. In the spirit of Niven's Laws, I like to explain it like this:

B = I x F
(Bans equal Intensity times Frequency)

When you get right down to it, anything can be toxic if you want it to be. If I spammed the word "booger" 500 times in chat, that would be toxic. This is Frequency.

On the other end, there are certain words and phrases that are incredibly inappropriate and not at all tolerated. This is Intensity.

As I look at what you copied, I'm willing to bet that there is more to the story. You seem to be someone who uses chat a lot and may not be anywhere near the most toxic person in League, but might rub some people the wrong way. The fact that you got two 14-day suspensions says something is up. Those kinds of bans are usually your last chance to reform, so you should definitely consider putting in a support ticket, if you haven't already.

I thought rito doesnt care about context. Any and all toxicity leads to a ban apparently last I heard, even if the person on the other side of the line is telling you to end your life, its not ok for you to say stfu. Atleast thats what lyte senpai told us.

ModUlanopo2 votes

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I thought rito doesnt care about context. Any and all toxicity leads to a ban apparently last I heard, even if the person on the other side of the line is telling you to end your life, its not ok for you to say stfu. Atleast thats what lyte senpai told us.

Absolutely. When he's talking about context. he's describing the behavior of other people. In this situation, when I mention context, I mean the OP's other behavior.

AJStarhiker4 votes

Why do you assume you know exactly which lines resulted in your ban?

  1. This was not the only game in which you've been reported. It's only that last game that appears in your case.

  2. Accusation of kill stealing. It's a team game.

  3. Calling gg before the game ends, and bg when it actually does end.

It's no where near the worst set of chat logs I've seen. Of your comments, I only see one that might be a borderline report (spamming the XD) and no comments on the lines that, for me, would contribute to a report. I'm curious as to where you got your Riot rulings, because you seem to have missed the mark on what generally gets reported/punished.

1ZslqTY3fd1 votes
  1. Accusation of kill stealing. It's a team game.

yes, and you should try to funnel your gold to the carry. if your stealing gold away from someone that is more in need of that gold, your not being a team player are you? like does your dumbass actually think that ks does not exist just because it is a team game?

  1. calling gg before the game ends.

gg doesnt have to be said at end game. in fact, it was originally used in the beginning of the game (starcraft/warcraft). plus gg is not toxic. its literally "good game". why are you interpreting gg as "this game is finished"?

don't force your dumbass paradigms on other people please.

AJStarhiker5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Negative KDA,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OEi3adJB,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2015-11-04T04:56:53.744+0000)

  1. Accusation of kill stealing. It's a team game.

yes, and you should try to funnel your gold to the carry. if your stealing gold away from someone that is more in need of that gold, your not being a team player are you? like does your dumbass actually think that ks does not exist just because it is a team game?

Should try, yes, but it's not a rule. If someone else gets it, they get their their own build a little faster, and the carry still gets the assist gold. There's no reason to complain about it.

  1. calling gg before the game ends.

gg doesnt have to be said at end game. in fact, it was originally used in the beginning of the game (starcraft/warcraft). plus gg is not toxic. its literally "good game". why are you interpreting gg as "this game is finished"?

don't force your dumbass paradigms on other people please.

Meanings can change and shift and may be different based on which game you're playing. As long as I've played League, GL/HF has been the standard for the beginning of the game and GG for the end.

And saying "Good Game" to the opposing players after the game comes from physical sports, long before there were multiplayer online games. It's meant to be good sportsmanship. Saying it before the game ends is disrespectful, since you're implying the game is over when it isn't.

1ZslqTY3fd1 votes

"Should try, yes, but it's not a rule. If someone else gets it, they get their their own build a little faster, and the carry still gets the assist gold. There's no reason to complain about it."

you dont even know the scenario. theres plenty to complain about if the support is hovering around like a vulture and snags the last hit when the carry blatantly could have gotten it. so what if the support get their build faster if it means your carry gets their build slower. why would ANYONE want their carry to get their build slower so that the support can get their build faster? thats your idea of a team game? where roles aren't played the way they should?

Maximum Morde1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Negative KDA,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OEi3adJB,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-04T17:50:52.811+0000)

so what if the support get their build faster if it means your carry gets their build slower. why would ANYONE want their carry to get their build slower so that the support can get their build faster? thats your idea of a team game? where roles aren't played the way they should?

Because I play Morgana or Annie "support" and I guarantee I will carry harder than any ADC if you give me the gold instead.

t0ad53 votes

This should be an in game tip.

IntenseRedGamer1 votes

Whatcha mean?

t0ad51 votes

{quoted}

Whatcha mean?

That if one was to be banned for mundane comments (emotes), then players should be informed.

Live2LetDie3 votes

Stopped after "when I am toxic.. " your toxic, end of story, gg

IntenseRedGamer1 votes

1st off, I'm not toxic. I explained in the text.

2nd, that's very rude to say.

3rd, "gg" means "good game". How is that in any way logical grammar?

4th, you didn't give me any reason as to why you think that I'm toxic. Please explain.

PowderToast2 votes

Do you feed all the trolls in your games like you fell for this guys bait?

AraMoOse3 votes

I would like to see the actual response from Riot instead of your -I think a bit creative- paraphrasing of it. I've never received a player behavior email myself, but I've read hundreds from back in the days of the old forums, and they were nothing like what you are describing.

Because while I have to take it on faith from you that the text you're including is in fact all of the text you've written, the people who chose to suspend you (twice) DON'T have to just believe you. They can check and based on such a check, they thought you deserved a suspension (twice).

TeCoolMage2 votes

Can we have a link to the entire thing?

AJStarhiker2 votes

I don't know the specific situation, but I generally see one of two reactions to a ks accusation:

  1. the player doesn't care or wants to annoy you for some reason and calling him out just encourages him.

  2. It was an honest mistake, and the player decides it's not worth the hassle of going all-in if they're going to get chewed out if the "wrong" person gets the last hit.

Either way, how does it help if you call the player out or complain about it? That's right, it doesn't.

jaymc11302 votes

The logs you typed out seem mundane. Not even close to worthy of punishment. However those could be edited. Please link your report card that you received in your email to verify.

IntenseRedGamer1 votes

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The logs you typed out seem mundane. Not even close to worthy of punishment. However those could be edited. Please link your report card that you received in your email to verify.

Those are just SOME of the comments that I have said. I can understand as to why they might give me a chat restriction or something for my OTHER comments (cause honestly they WERE pretty mean.), but these are in no way fair to suspend me for. Also, I actually DID copy and paste these DIRECTLY from the email... :/ No editing, nothing. I deleted the ones that could actually be called rude, because I wanted to point out that they are just grabbing a handful of your comments, and banning you for them. Weather they are rude or not. I believe that that is not fair, and is completely unjust in many ways.

Jubbinaut3 votes

So... wait. I wanna make sure I get this straight.

They sent you a log of all the things you said in one-or-more games, indicating that some of the things you said in those games were out of line, and that that was why they were punishing you.

And you decided to come here, repost them - with all of the things you were punished for edited out - and claim that you were punished for everything else?

I can't imagine why you would think anyone would buy that argument.

PowderToast1 votes

If you squint your eyes and read this post really fast it almost doesn't read like a troll ...

your words they hurt me.

IntenseRedGamer1 votes

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If you squint your eyes and read this post really fast it almost doesn't read like a troll ...

your words they hurt me.

Are you seriously saying that I'm trolling? Why would I joke about this?....

EvilDustMan1 votes

Weird. And did you submit a ticket saying that nothing on your reform card is toxic and you don't understand why you got restricted?

PHYR wAYLIN1 votes

well i know how you feel, i was once reported by a troll for saying "can we stop fighting each other and try to win this game", in a ranked game, then said in response to being threatened to be reported "report me for what, i dont understand", those were the only things i said during that ranked game and not only did it happen after game, i was suspended with in 5 min of the reported.

the email they sent me about it said it wasnt ok to try to get your team to stop fighting.

i honestly wonder sometime if the tribunal is full of trolls that just want to ban or suspend someone all the time instead of looking at the punishments for the report or no report if there isnt a valid reason, also i would love to have a say againest my case to clear it up at times as well, but that will never happen

nerak231 votes

Put up your reform card ! If your in the right people Will stick up for you but as is we are left with some text you put up.

People please, unless OP post reform card No one can be sure what is going on and I for one am always a bit suspicious when a poster feels the need to explain themselves midway threw a log.

And as always 1 game doesn't trigger a punishment unless it's a "special case"...If this is what happened then please do put up that RC just as they sent it and I'll help bitch and shout.

Linthe1 votes

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whenever I am toxic, it's always to trolls, jerks, or people who don't seem to care about others.
Every single line of text below this statement is something I've been suspended for.

For the 1st line: Someone being toxic is NOT an excuse to be toxic back. This has been said said a billion times and I guess it will take a billion more. Toxicity ix NEVER ok.

For the 2nd.. I DONT believe you. No one gets suspended for "no reason".. or casual, non-toxic chat. Does not happen. Urban legend.

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