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Player misbehavior in champion select. Are there any repercussions?

Plusharine··1 votes·758 views

DISCLAIMER: DO NOT REPLY ABOUT NAMING AND SHAMING. THAT IS NOT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD. DO NOT reply about "Just report the person with a support ticket" I have already replied many times on this particular subject. I am not trying to out ONE person. I am talking the GROUP of people who do this particular thing and how there is NO way of punishing that GROUP.

Please only serious replies. I have had this happen a few times and only remembered to take pictures in the most recent case. Many people will get into champion select and say "F*ck this. I'm not playing -insert role here-" because they were autofilled. Then the entire champion selection duration, they will fight for whatever role they had set as preferred. Autolock. Proceed to be stubborn about it and then say the famous line "I don't care if you guys report me, this is my alt account". Is there any type of punishment for these players other than the 5 minute wait time they have, when they eventually dodge at the last second? (I am also aware of the longer wait times 15 min, 30 min etc. However if one is stubborn enough they can just do something else for that time, or they can just go onto an alternative account. It's not really crippling in any way.) When it's ranked they lose 3 lp but that amount is tiny in lower elo (where I am) From what I've seen that would only hurt them in diamond and up (where I hear this happens very rarely). When it's normals they don't lose anything and just waste everyone else's time.

Casual discussion of this is fine as well. I don't really believe an option will turn up just because I said something. I'm sure many people have asked this same question or something similar. Thanks for reading.

Here are some screenshots for reference (most of the time it's more or less the same just different wording): Edit: It was brought to my attention that I should have edited the names out. It was not my intention to Name and Shame (as everyone is accusing me of) and that is why I reposted it again with my shoddy attempt at editing out the names. Stop nagging me about it. It's harassment.

THIS IS ONLY AN EXAMPLE. This particular person isn't the ONLY one who does this. This is to show people, generally, what I'm talking about. If all I wanted was to report this one person I wouldn't bother posting about it.

http://i.imgur.com/Y8quUjO.png http://i.imgur.com/ueKrRzZ.png http://i.imgur.com/Un4gnKY.png

16 Comments

Magical Player2 votes

Open a support ticket, alt/smurf accounts can be linked directly to a main account. Riot can track people down and punish them if needed if they play through a game and had trolled in lobby by picking the wrong role ex: double adc bot lane or continued to act in such a manner that could be seen as negative/harassment then report end game lobby will work

TBF they if they dodge the game at the end, dodge punishments do start scaling after your 1st dodge 1- 6 mins 2- 30 mins 3- 60 mins 4- 60 mins etc resets daily?

Plusharine2 votes

Most of the time we are advised against opening a support ticket for something that occurred in champion select. Ironically they tell us to rely on the in game report system, but there is no way to do so for these cases.

http://i.imgur.com/FoqnYXC.png (This was clearly an automated message.)

Dodge punishments have never really deterred anyone. They can just, as most say, log into an alternative account, or just not play for the day.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Boards moderation isn't automated at all, that's just a copy-paste response for the offense, which was Name & Shaming; the boards are not the place to report players.

Plusharine1 votes

And as I have clarified. Name and shaming was not my intention. The images have been edited. Would you like to add anything to the topic? I would like to point out, however that copy pasting a response is automation. Even if a person were to do it. Rather than asking for a review of the post itself, it was just stamped with a label of "Naming and Shaming". If that were the case, I would not repost again with changed images. Clearly I was trying to get a point across, not trying to shame any particular person.

Zezockary1 votes

It doesn't matter if you think it is naming and shaming or not, if you post someone else's username in a way that can be seen as negative the moderation team has to take your post down to enforce their rules.

They use copy and pasted responses so that they can actually meet the work load put on them, as typing out the same messages every time with slightly different wording would just be flat out dumb for a business to do.

If you ever get a message from a bot from riot it will say so at the top of the message.

While the absolute best way to report someone is through the end game report feature, since that adds the information to the system which can learn based on the information you give it, if that is not possible you can make a support ticket with your evidence.

ModMod Curator2 votes

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It doesn't matter if you think it is naming and shaming or not, if you post someone else's username in a way that can be seen as negative the moderation team has to take your post down to enforce their rules.

They use copy and pasted responses so that they can actually meet the work load put on them, as typing out the same messages every time with slightly different wording would just be flat out dumb for a business to do.

If you ever get a message from a bot from riot it will say so at the top of the message.

While the absolute best way to report someone is through the end game report feature, since that adds the information to the system which can learn based on the information you give it, if that is not possible you can make a support ticket with your evidence.

All of this.

To be clear, there are no bots involved in Boards Moderation.

Plusharine1 votes

Again the point of this post is not to report any specific person. It is to poke everyone's mind for their thoughts of people who can avoid in game report through this method of misbehaving in Champion Select. I didn't say "I didn't think it was naming and shaming" I said that wasn't my intention. Therefore I edited out all their names.

This discussion has been derailed because people are not dropping this "naming and shaming" nonsense.

Reporting someone for this offense with support tickets every time it appeared would be tedious and pointless. If one person were to report every occurrence of this situation, it would be endless. Not to mention it wouldn't solve the issue.

ModMod Curator1 votes

{quoted}

Again the point of this post is not to report any specific person. It is to poke everyone's mind for their thoughts of people who can avoid in game report through this method of misbehaving in Champion Select. I didn't say "I didn't think it was naming and shaming" I said that wasn't my intention. Therefore I edited out all their names.

This discussion has been derailed because people are not dropping this "naming and shaming" nonsense.

Reporting someone for this offense with support tickets every time it appeared would be tedious and pointless. If one person were to report every occurrence of this situation, it would be endless. Not to mention it wouldn't solve the issue.

If it had been Naming & Shaming, I would have removed the post, not replied to it. You edited out the names, that's exactly what you're supposed to do. The issue is that a lot of players come here and post names when talking about players having bad behavior, even if they're not attempting to Name & Shame. Ultimately, intent doesn't matter, content does. Keep the names out, like in the screenshots above, and your posts get to stay.

As for the original question, no, there is currently no punishment for dodging other than the wait time. If you want to report them, you can take screenshots like these and submit a ticket to Player Support, but you will most likely get an automated reply. That doesn't mean they won't do anything, it just means they don't discuss punishments.

Plusharine1 votes

Well the original was deleted already haha~ I had to edit it after I saw that it was gone, because it didn't occur to me that unedited screenshots were an issue. Lack of proper board etiquette.

It's a shame that not many people are willing to go out of their way to screenshot and submit a ticket, but until there are other options I suppose that's all we really can do.

jpguy9021 votes

As far as I know, there is nothing besides the scaling time punishment. IMO I think its pretty fair considering it makes the other player wait longer than you, and if they do it more than twice it gets to be pretty long.

That being said, this player sounds like a jackass, I'm not defending him/her. If you really want to try and pursue further action you can submit a support ticket, but I really doubt they will do anything extra.

Plusharine1 votes

Yes, but say if they are telling the truth about it being an alternative account. Would they not just log onto the other ones? There is no way to report them if the game does not go through. Meaning that there is no way to track any particular person for doing this over and over again.

If I tried to open a support ticket for every single person who has done this, the list would go on forever. Thinking about it, it's probably why Riot would prefer if we didn't do player reports via tickets.

Magical Player1 votes

Opening a support ticket is really the only option, is a user who plays many accounts is seen as being a toxic element in league they can be punished Tyler1 had many accounts, all were banned League can track users Yes the support ticket is generally a sit and wait type of thing, but it does still count.

Also the board mods, just copy paste because your type of post comes up that often. That they developed a response to correctly denote the issue.

Mods/volunteers are great people, and often are given 0 credit for their actions :D(suck up engaged)

"Reporting someone for this offense with support tickets every time it appeared would be tedious and pointless."

if it were easy they would be flooded with reports, by making it harder to do, they probably receive far more accurate and valid reports

Plusharine1 votes

Tyler1 is famous though. What about the ones who have no youtube or in game presence? You can track someone easier based on their footprints. If someone is only toxic in Champion Select and no where else, how would would track those people down? Opening a support ticket is one option.

For example this person decided to do this 5 times in the same day, all on different accounts. Chances are NO ONE will open a support ticket. No one cares once they dodge and we are forced to go back into queue. I'm sure someone out there is "everyone makes a difference!". Very few people, if any at all, will actually report this kind of behavior. There's simply no convenient way to do so. Therefore this kind of toxicity will continue to exist.

I'm sure the board mods are doing their jobs as they should. It was fast enough for me to just refresh and see it after all. I was just getting heated from all the name and shaming stuff I'm receiving. It's not what I wanted from this thread.

Magical Player1 votes

If the community doesn't see this as a report worthy behavior to take roughly 3 mins to open a ticket to say XYZ is dodging games/harassing others in pregame lobby, then the system will never begin to account for it.

Again, it is people are already being punished for dodging at increasing rates, Im sure riot can show patterns of log on dodge log off 1 day log in dodge logg off day log in dodge logg off

It will matter, just trust riot to continue to make their system better and better.

Plusharine1 votes

Basically. Part of it is the fault of the community. For not taking the small amount of time to report that kind of behavior. Hopefully a solution arises in the future.

I can see how suspicious that would look. An account that always logs off after dodging.

They have improved vastly from the beta days. New things just keep popping up.

ShineySides1 votes

I would say a more important issue that you touched on isnt people dodging but people trolling champ select. There is no way to punish people for prelobby.

I am a huge troll in champ select. I love it. I claim to feed, lock nonsense champs etc.

99% of the time someone dodges other than me and then I repeat.

I have a huge .txt document of people calling me a troll, screaming, etc. I copy paste this into the lobby (usually causing an instant dodge).

I ONLY queue support, this allows me to get into a lobby with 0 wait time and 0 downtime between lobbies (using riots system against itself again).

The math is where it gets fun. I can usually ruin a lobby in about 1-2mins, then 0-30seconds for requeue. My best is causing 5 dodges in 8mins.

I did this hundreds of times until i got bored.

Now I use it as a tool. If i think the game looks unwinnable, or I dont like my team I just force a dodge by trolling.

If it was really an alt account (like mine) they wont dodge, because they dont care.

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